Wiggly white lines in Clevedon

[ChocolateFrog]

Tony33 said:

ny semi serious cyclist is going to bomb down the road to keep up speed for the steep hill, the last thing they want is to have to give way to cars coming from the right at the bottom of the hill! I used to cycle that regularly as a lad.

Likely have to slow down to the same speed as the cars anyway, assuming they don't do more than 20 down there.

[Galveston]

mcpoot said:

I stay in Clevedon every weekend and I have only ever seen a smattering of cyclists even in the height of summer. What I saw today however was cars slowly trundling along the seafront vainly looking for a place to park because the number of spaces has been so reduced. Contrary to your opinion I think it's a poorly thought out answer to a question that was never asked and it looks an eyesore.

I think there’s more to a successful and attractive seafront than just whether you can park on it. Besides which, there’s a car park just around the corner that nobody uses.

[Tony33]

ChocolateFrog said:

Tony33 said:

ny semi serious cyclist is going to bomb down the road to keep up speed for the steep hill, the last thing they want is to have to give way to cars coming from the right at the bottom of the hill! I used to cycle that regularly as a lad.

Likely have to slow down to the same speed as the cars anyway, assuming they don't do more than 20 down there.

Clevedon really isn’t that busy a place, has little congestion and air quality is fine. It is a climate emergency solution looking for a problem, to hear the council talk you would think it was a city centre.

The south west has the lowest carbon emissions in the country, but because it doesn’t have a large population and little industry transport makes up a higher then average proportion of emissions which gets picked up as being a major issue. I am a firm believer that we need to do things to reduce climate impact but there are far bigger fish to fry rather than dicking around with sea fronts under the guise of climate emergency to stop pensioners from the local villages who do a few thousand miles a year from enjoying a walk.

That isn’t to say the fault lies exclusively with the council, government devolving strategy to local authorities by setting targets of carbon reduction and housing increases inevitably ends up with a common approach to urban and rural authorities targeting transport as the only achievable option, rather than a joined up national strategy to make cities and rural areas attractive to different sets of people. Get the cars out of cities which can be sustainable to groups of the population and accept small rural towns and villages will still need private transport and focus on all those drives in rural areas that could charge electric vehicles.

[1ians]

mcpoot said:

I stay in Clevedon every weekend and I have only ever seen a smattering of cyclists even in the height of summer. What I saw today however was cars slowly trundling along the seafront vainly looking for a place to park because the number of spaces has been so reduced. Contrary to your opinion I think it's a poorly thought out answer to a question that was never asked and it looks an eyesore.

It’s full of cyclists every day of the week, popular stop for club and recreational cyclists from all around for a coffee and a bite to eat.

Saying that none of them would use the cycle path. Seems to be more intended for casual cyclists and families and is the start of the pier to pier way linking Clevedon to WSM by bike.

There has also been a serious accident between a car and a bike right where the roundabout is.

[Red9zero]

Galveston said:

I think there’s more to a successful and attractive seafront than just whether you can park on it. Besides which, there’s a car park just around the corner that nobody uses.

Is that the one on the seafront by the nursing home ? I have only managed to find a space there once. I normally park on the side of the road by the tennis courts.

[Galveston]

Red9zero said:

Galveston said:

I think there’s more to a successful and attractive seafront than just whether you can park on it. Besides which, there’s a car park just around the corner that nobody uses.

Is that the one on the seafront by the nursing home ? I have only managed to find a space there once. I normally park on the side of the road by the tennis courts.

Yep, that’s the one. I’ve never seen it more than half full.

[markymarkthree]

Galveston said:

Red9zero said:

Galveston said:

I think there’s more to a successful and attractive seafront than just whether you can park on it. Besides which, there’s a car park just around the corner that nobody uses.

Is that the one on the seafront by the nursing home ? I have only managed to find a space there once. I normally park on the side of the road by the tennis courts.

Yep, that’s the one. I’ve never seen it more than half full.

The Hawthorns car park.
The reason very few folk parked there is until very recently there were no signs along Elton Rd telling you that it was a public car park. To non locals passing, it looked like a private car park associated with The Hawthorns.

[mcpoot]

1ians said:

mcpoot said:

I stay in Clevedon every weekend and I have only ever seen a smattering of cyclists even in the height of summer. What I saw today however was cars slowly trundling along the seafront vainly looking for a place to park because the number of spaces has been so reduced. Contrary to your opinion I think it's a poorly thought out answer to a question that was never asked and it looks an eyesore.

It’s full of cyclists every day of the week, popular stop for club and recreational cyclists from all around for a coffee and a bite to eat.

That must be every day of the week except Sat & Sun because in the 3 years I have been going to Clevedon I've yet to see more than a handful of cyclists at the weekend. I know a couple of locals that cycle and they are as unhappy about North Somerset Council's efforts as other residents.

[devnull]

markymarkthree said:

Galveston said:

Red9zero said:

Galveston said:

I think there’s more to a successful and attractive seafront than just whether you can park on it. Besides which, there’s a car park just around the corner that nobody uses.

Is that the one on the seafront by the nursing home ? I have only managed to find a space there once. I normally park on the side of the road by the tennis courts.

Yep, that’s the one. I’ve never seen it more than half full.

The Hawthorns car park.
The reason very few folk parked there is until very recently there were no signs along Elton Rd telling you that it was a public car park. To non locals passing, it looked like a private car park associated with The Hawthorns.

You also have to pay to park there now, it had previously been free.

[Tony33]

Galveston said:

Red9zero said:

Galveston said:

I think there’s more to a successful and attractive seafront than just whether you can park on it. Besides which, there’s a car park just around the corner that nobody uses.

Is that the one on the seafront by the nursing home ? I have only managed to find a space there once. I normally park on the side of the road by the tennis courts.

Yep, that’s the one. I’ve never seen it more than half full.

My guess is people don't want to pay and will look for a space in a side road or go somewhere else. Or given the average age of the locals is fifteen years above the national average maybe parking in a nursing home car park seems too close to home!

[markymarkthree]

devnull said:

markymarkthree said:

Galveston said:

Red9zero said:

Galveston said:

I think there’s more to a successful and attractive seafront than just whether you can park on it. Besides which, there’s a car park just around the corner that nobody uses.

Is that the one on the seafront by the nursing home ? I have only managed to find a space there once. I normally park on the side of the road by the tennis courts.

Yep, that’s the one. I’ve never seen it more than half full.

The Hawthorns car park.
The reason very few folk parked there is until very recently there were no signs along Elton Rd telling you that it was a public car park. To non locals passing, it looked like a private car park associated with The Hawthorns.

You also have to pay to park there now, it had previously been free.

Car park machines & charges were introduced just prior to Covid hitting us.

There are plans afoot to introduce charges along many of the roads along the sea front areas and Hill rd. Covid stopped this and i also suspect because of all the uproar over the changes to Hill Rd & The Beach, this has been put on the back burner for the time being.

Edited by markymarkthree on Monday 27th March 07:32

[markymarkthree]

Galveston said:

Red9zero said:

It was like this, where you could park up and eat your chips while sat in the car looking at the sea.

Yeah, but that's really fking ugly. I don't get the "it's ruined the beautiful victorian seafront” argument - it was a car park with a fairly grim pavement along its edge. Aesthetically it's better now.

Edited by Galveston on Sunday 26th March 20:35

Aesthetically it's better now.


Personally i prefer the old look.

[Red9zero]

That's a better picture. Thanks

[sixor8]

Looks like about 5 cyclists on the road in that first photo and NOT using the cycle path.

[5s Alive]

sixor8 said:

Looks like about 5 cyclists on the road in that first photo and NOT using the cycle path.

Don't think I'd use it either unless I intended to stop on the seafront. If I could maintain pace with the cars I'd stay on the road. Uphill I'd use a cycle path to maintain a safe distance. That one looks designed for kids and occasional bike riders. Not a road cyclist so opinions may vary.

[1ians]

mcpoot said:

That must be every day of the week except Sat & Sun because in the 3 years I have been going to Clevedon I've yet to see more than a handful of cyclists at the weekend. I know a couple of locals that cycle and they are as unhappy about North Somerset Council's efforts as other residents.

Not sure where you’re looking, the coffee shops opposite that photo are full of cyclists at weekends with bikes strewn all over the place.

Looking at the cycle lane, even if it’s slower than the road it will get used as they’ve made the road one way.

[ChocolateFrog]

markymarkthree said:

Aesthetically it's better now.


Personally i prefer the old look.

Dreadful and will get quickly worse with age.

[ChocolateFrog]

sixor8 said:

Looks like about 5 cyclists on the road in that first photo and NOT using the cycle path.

No road cyclist in their right mind would use that cycle path, ever. (OK maybe to go the wrong way down a one way road)

It's for dad's with their toddlers still on stabilisers. You don't want a cyclist on 23 section tyres on there doing 20mph for lots of very obvious reasons.

[markymarkthree]

ChocolateFrog said:

No road cyclist in their right mind would use that cycle path, ever. (OK maybe to go the wrong way down a one way road)

It's for dad's with their toddlers still on stabilisers. You don't want a cyclist on 23 section tyres on there doing 20mph for lots of very obvious reasons.

Especially hitting the brakes hard on the seaweed.

[Galveston]

markymarkthree said:

Aesthetically it's better now.


Personally i prefer the old look.

Oh come on, that’s either been taken with the world’s sttest digital camera or someone’s fiddled with the saturation and contrast settings. It actually looks like this…