TfL to slap 20mph limit on 65km more of London roads in Sept

[bigothunter]

gt_12345 said:

What makes you think 30mph is bad?

What's next, 10mph?

Then 5?

Then no cars?

Mission accomplished

[bigothunter]

NMNeil said:

gavsdavs said:

Slapping a 20mph on the London arteries seems to be motivated by nothing other than revenue.

So fight back. Stick to the speed limit and deny them that money.

Use obedience to fight back

[croyde]

It's sadly worked with me. I live in SW London and have plenty of places to go to in the W and SW of the city, including work.

The 20mph limits, speed bumps, extended bus stops plus the excess of clueless drivers looking at everything bar where they are going, have ruined driving for me.

Thanks to hitting 60 years old and getting my free Oyster card I am putting up with the delays and disruption of public transport.

It takes far too long and is very prone to sudden cancellations/strikes but it's free. I certainly wouldn't pay for it.

I need to get out of London to some place where you can actually enjoy car use.

Meanwhile I must get out and buy a proper motorbike again.

[QBee]

croyde said:

It's sadly worked with me. I live in SW London and have plenty of places to go to in the W and SW of the city, including work.

The 20mph limits, speed bumps, extended bus stops plus the excess of clueless drivers looking at everything bar where they are going, have ruined driving for me.

Thanks to hitting 60 years old and getting my free Oyster card I am putting up with the delays and disruption of public transport.

It takes far too long and is very prone to sudden cancellations/strikes but it's free. I certainly wouldn't pay for it.

I need to get out of London to some place where you can actually enjoy car use.

Meanwhile I must get out and buy a proper motorbike again.

This^^^^^^

I have to admit to being 70 later this year, and back 30-40 years ago regularly came into London of an evening for the entertainments on offer. I even organised some TVR tunnel runs, 70 cars enjoying the sights early on a Sunday about 10 years ago, but even they have now had to stop.

Apologies to James (above) if I have offended him. Not intended. I can see that many are used to living in London and I fully accept that it's horses for courses.

But I have worked in central London (1982-83) and visited as just described from 1983 to 2000. But since then it seems to have gone downhill in accessibility terms, the traffic has become restricted etc. and there are charges everywhere you look.

I have a sister in law who lives in west central London during the week (Gloucestershire for the weekend), but her life was made somewhat less stressful by having money. Her husband had a chauffeur 24/7 until he retired from his job as a FTSE100 CEO, and she went everywhere by taxi. She bought a Tesla Model S to save on congestion charges for when she did need to go somewhere in London where she could park, or for popping to various locations where family live. We aren't wealthy, and she convinced us not to try living in London.

I do like living in the countryside and am happy to take my TVR out for drives around the Peak District and so on without having my trousers taken down by Sadiq Khan and his mates. I go into Nottingham (20 miles away) about once a year, and then only at a weekend. I wouldn't do even that if we had a decent Asian supermarket closer to hand.

Croyde - go for it. Once you adapt to not being able to get a Costa at 4am just round the corner, you will love it. My advice to you is find a nice house, with a private garden and no neighbours, in the country, but within 5 miles of a small town. This town should be one that has restaurants, supermarkets etc. Avoid living to far from facilities, but also avoid living in the outskirts of any major city.
I live 3 miles outside Newark on Trent - it's 5 minutes to Asda, as we are allowed to drive over 8mph here in the sticks. My 8 bedroom house is worth less than a 2 bedroom semi in Fuham. But the A1, A46, A17 etc are all close at hand for getting places. And my nearest neighbour is 250 metres away.
Don't go too mad - for example, give the West Highlands of Scotland a miss. It might be beautiful, but it's too bloody far from everywhere, gets overrun with tourists in summer and has the worst weather ever the other 11 months of the year. And midges.

[bigothunter]

croyde said:

It's sadly worked with me. I live in SW London and have plenty of places to go to in the W and SW of the city, including work.

The 20mph limits, speed bumps, extended bus stops plus the excess of clueless drivers looking at everything bar where they are going, have ruined driving for me.

Thanks to hitting 60 years old and getting my free Oyster card I am putting up with the delays and disruption of public transport.

It takes far too long and is very prone to sudden cancellations/strikes but it's free. I certainly wouldn't pay for it.

I need to get out of London to some place where you can actually enjoy car use.

Meanwhile I must get out and buy a proper motorbike again.

People reclaim the streets of London from cars

[swisstoni]

bigothunter said:

croyde said:

It's sadly worked with me. I live in SW London and have plenty of places to go to in the W and SW of the city, including work.

The 20mph limits, speed bumps, extended bus stops plus the excess of clueless drivers looking at everything bar where they are going, have ruined driving for me.

Thanks to hitting 60 years old and getting my free Oyster card I am putting up with the delays and disruption of public transport.

It takes far too long and is very prone to sudden cancellations/strikes but it's free. I certainly wouldn't pay for it.

I need to get out of London to some place where you can actually enjoy car use.

Meanwhile I must get out and buy a proper motorbike again.

People reclaim the streets of London from cars

Oh what an absolute utopia. Are they going to farm Hyde Park?

[RDMcG]

Car meets at the Ace Cafe must be a thrilling event with high performance cars at walking pace..........

[bigothunter]

RDMcG said:

Car meets at the Ace Cafe must be a thrilling event with high performance cars at walking pace..........

There's no place for high performance cars on British roads

[5s Alive]

bigothunter said:

There's no place for high performance cars on British roads

Fewer roads for them too as the network disintegrates into slalom courses and accidental chicanes. Monster 4x4's are the way to go.

[QBee]

5s Alive said:

bigothunter said:

There's no place for high performance cars on British roads

Fewer roads for them too as the network disintegrates into slalom courses and accidental chicanes. Monster 4x4's are the way to go.

There IS a place for them in Newark on Trent Asda car park this lunchtime, but then we have almost no speed humps in our town.

[gt_12345]

TwigtheWonderkid said:

gt_12345 said:

swisstoni said:

Ultimately, these centre’s are slowly killing themselves.

Cumulatively the various, taxes, charges, penalties, zones, call them what you will, tell people ‘don’t bother coming here. It’s not worth the bother’.

I was wondering this. London must be losing a LOT of money, what with more people wfh etc.

No one in their right mind travels into C. London by car anyway, and hasn't done for years. I live in the 'burbs and last time I drove into C London was December 2018, and that was to pick my wife up from hospital. Only because she was too unwell to brave the tube.

I didnt just mean driving, i meant the thousands of workers who avoid the place now.

[5s Alive]

QBee said:

5s Alive said:

bigothunter said:

There's no place for high performance cars on British roads

Fewer roads for them too as the network disintegrates into slalom courses and accidental chicanes. Monster 4x4's are the way to go.

There IS a place for them in Newark on Trent Asda car park this lunchtime, but then we have almost no speed humps in our town.

Ah... a prancing horse in it's [un]natural stomping ground, a multi-story car park. Still beautiful though.

Areas of Edinburgh are speed cushion hell especially if the road has collapsed around them as is the case en route to a friend's house where one does a passable impersonation of Ben Nevis. I've seen ordinary hatchbacks trailing sparks as they hit it and one unfortunate in an Impreza come to a grinding halt. The only safe[ish] way over is in the middle of the road so that your wheels run over them. Even then if you're low at the front - no chance. I hate speed cushions!

[Pixelpeep Electric]

Last time i drove in those parts i think i averaged 8mph so 20 would be a massive improvement.

also - when writing articles.. isn't it bad practice to use two differing measurement systems in one headline?

"New playstation 5 - retails at £499 - that's $49 4cheaper than it used to be!"

[QBee]

RDMcG said:

Car meets at the Ace Cafe must be a thrilling event with high performance cars at walking pace..........

Back as recently as 2013 it was fun - this was taken just before the first sparrow had farted one Sunday at the end of September 2013, as 70 TVR owners headed off to see the sights and tunnels of central London. Apologies for the crap photo. 2010 phone and low light.
No way could we do that kind of a run now.

[bigothunter]

QBee said:

5s Alive said:

bigothunter said:

There's no place for high performance cars on British roads

Fewer roads for them too as the network disintegrates into slalom courses and accidental chicanes. Monster 4x4's are the way to go.

There IS a place for them in Newark on Trent Asda car park this lunchtime, but then we have almost no speed humps in our town.

Stunning example of engineering art. But incredibly frustrating in busy traffic and our low speed limits (not urban). A lame prancing horse is not much fun...

[bigothunter]

gt_12345 said:

I didnt just mean driving, i meant the thousands of workers who avoid the place now.

London is a hell hole - I hate the dreadful place.

Gone downhill massively since I was at university there in early 70s (50 years ago )

[QBee]

bigothunter said:

QBee said:

5s Alive said:

bigothunter said:

There's no place for high performance cars on British roads

Fewer roads for them too as the network disintegrates into slalom courses and accidental chicanes. Monster 4x4's are the way to go.

There IS a place for them in Newark on Trent Asda car park this lunchtime, but then we have almost no speed humps in our town.

Stunning example of engineering art. But incredibly frustrating in busy traffic and our low speed limits (not urban). A lame prancing horse is not much fun...

True. But assuming he is local to where he is parked, the car is parked a mile from the dual carriageway A46 (Lincoln to Bath) and a mile from the dual cariageway A1 (London to Edinburgh) and with loads of other decent country A roads radiating around Newark, plus the Peak District about 40 miles away and the Lincolnshire countryside starting 3 miles away.
I agree that the national 70 limit is somewhat of a restriction, but we are within 50 miles of Donington, Mallory Park and Cadwell Park race tracks, and I have seen a 3 month old Ferrari California and a 2 week old Maclaren 670 on track days before now. Track days are a lot safer than many people think.

[bigothunter]

QBee said:

I agree that the national 70 limit is somewhat of a restriction, but we are within 50 miles of Donington, Mallory Park and Cadwell Park race tracks, and I have seen a 3 month old Ferrari California and a 2 week old Maclaren 670 on track days before now. Track days are a lot safer than many people think.

Yup - track days have an excellent safety record.
We are at Cadwell next Thursday with three cars. First track day of the season

[NMNeil]

bigothunter said:

People reclaim the streets of London from cars

Lots of cities have car free days.
New York

Paris

Jakarta

To name a few

[bigothunter]

NMNeil said:

Lots of cities have car free days.

Paris

More space for riots