Speed limits speedometers vs GPS speed
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MustangGT said:
Super Sonic said:
MustangGT said:
How about proving it by posting a personal detail redacted copy of the 'ticket'?
The notice of intended prosecution letter has to be sent back w the relevant box ticked or name filled in. Lord Marylebone said:
Because if someone actually did get a ticket for 43 in a 40, or 75 in a 70, or whatever, then it really does change the way many of us manage our speed. It is of interest to us all as motorists. It would be a significant change in Police policy or standard practice.
The reason the poster is getting so much stick is because in the 19 years I have been on this forum (14 with this username and 5 with an earlier one) no one has ever managed to provide proof of these speeding offences, despite countless people claiming they have been 'done' for such an offence.
When someone pops up and claims they were ticketed for an offence of less than 10% over the speed limit, people ask them to photograph/scan the ticket and post it. When that happens, one of three things happens in every single case:
1) They state it was a long time ago. They can't quite remember. The ticket is long gone. Their memory is a little hazy. It was years ago. But they are fairly certain it was 44 in a 40, or something. Maybe. Possibly.
2) They come back to the thread and confess that actually, they have re-read the ticket and it was 49 in a 40. Or they got done for doing 32 and were annoyed, but it turns out that it was actually a 20 zone and they were 12 mph over.
3) They disappear and are never heard form again, presumably because they made it up.
Every single time. No one has ever shown a ticket for a 10% over speeding offence. No one can find any proof anywhere else on other forums that it has happened either. Just lots of 'My mate got done for 33 in a 30 once'.
I'm not saying the poster in this thread was making it up, but I am suggesting he may have mis-remembered, as in his own words, it was years ago. It is just an old wives tales. Even the Police themselves and Safer Roads have confirmed they do not ticket for below this threshold.
But, and here's the but, it is worth remembering that there are official variations in Wales and in Scotland, plus in specific areas in England. For example, a few months ago, the Met said it was reducing tolerance form 10%+3 to 10%+2, which to be honest, just brings them in line with most other counties/forces.
But don't forget these are only guidelines, which aren't always followed.The reason the poster is getting so much stick is because in the 19 years I have been on this forum (14 with this username and 5 with an earlier one) no one has ever managed to provide proof of these speeding offences, despite countless people claiming they have been 'done' for such an offence.
When someone pops up and claims they were ticketed for an offence of less than 10% over the speed limit, people ask them to photograph/scan the ticket and post it. When that happens, one of three things happens in every single case:
1) They state it was a long time ago. They can't quite remember. The ticket is long gone. Their memory is a little hazy. It was years ago. But they are fairly certain it was 44 in a 40, or something. Maybe. Possibly.
2) They come back to the thread and confess that actually, they have re-read the ticket and it was 49 in a 40. Or they got done for doing 32 and were annoyed, but it turns out that it was actually a 20 zone and they were 12 mph over.
3) They disappear and are never heard form again, presumably because they made it up.
Every single time. No one has ever shown a ticket for a 10% over speeding offence. No one can find any proof anywhere else on other forums that it has happened either. Just lots of 'My mate got done for 33 in a 30 once'.
I'm not saying the poster in this thread was making it up, but I am suggesting he may have mis-remembered, as in his own words, it was years ago. It is just an old wives tales. Even the Police themselves and Safer Roads have confirmed they do not ticket for below this threshold.
But, and here's the but, it is worth remembering that there are official variations in Wales and in Scotland, plus in specific areas in England. For example, a few months ago, the Met said it was reducing tolerance form 10%+3 to 10%+2, which to be honest, just brings them in line with most other counties/forces.
Super Sonic said:
But don't forget these are only guidelines, which aren't always followed.
That is absolutely correct.But, given the number of people asked to post a photograph of their ticket over the years, on all kinds of motoring forums, which I'm sure you agree is a fairly basic thing to do, especially if they started a thread saying they were 'unfairly done' for a few mph over the speed limit, and they fail to post said ticket, or make up some form of excuse, it begins to form an obvious pattern.
I'm happy to go by Occam's Razor. The simplest and most probable answer is that people aren't actually receiving '32 in a 30' type tickets, because if they were, there would be at least one or two examples from the last 20 years or so, and there just isn't.
There may be some incredibly rare cases where, for whatever reason, a police force or officer has decided to issue someone with a 'sub +10%' ticket, but again, in the absence of any evidence whatsoever, I'm happy to say I don't believe it.
Lord Marylebone said:
That is absolutely correct.
But, given the number of people asked to post a photograph of their ticket over the years, on all kinds of motoring forums, which I'm sure you agree is a fairly basic thing to do, especially if they started a thread saying they were 'unfairly done' for a few mph over the speed limit, and they fail to post said ticket, or make up some form of excuse, it begins to form an obvious pattern.
I'm happy to go by Occam's Razor. The simplest and most probable answer is that people aren't actually receiving '32 in a 30' type tickets, because if they were, there would be at least one or two examples from the last 20 years or so, and there just isn't.
There may be some incredibly rare cases where, for whatever reason, a police force or officer has decided to issue someone with a 'sub +10%' ticket, but again, in the absence of any evidence whatsoever, I'm happy to say I don't believe it.
When I received my nip, my first priority was to tick the box, sign it, and send it back. Once you have done this, you no longer have the specific details. This is why there's no evidence. Do you believe someone who has the experience of receiving a ticket outwith guidelines, or an armchair internet expert who claims it never ever happens and police always follow guidelines and anyone who says otherwise is lying. But, given the number of people asked to post a photograph of their ticket over the years, on all kinds of motoring forums, which I'm sure you agree is a fairly basic thing to do, especially if they started a thread saying they were 'unfairly done' for a few mph over the speed limit, and they fail to post said ticket, or make up some form of excuse, it begins to form an obvious pattern.
I'm happy to go by Occam's Razor. The simplest and most probable answer is that people aren't actually receiving '32 in a 30' type tickets, because if they were, there would be at least one or two examples from the last 20 years or so, and there just isn't.
There may be some incredibly rare cases where, for whatever reason, a police force or officer has decided to issue someone with a 'sub +10%' ticket, but again, in the absence of any evidence whatsoever, I'm happy to say I don't believe it.
Edited by Super Sonic on Friday 24th March 13:24
Super Sonic said:
MustangGT said:
Super Sonic said:
MustangGT said:
How about proving it by posting a personal detail redacted copy of the 'ticket'?
The notice of intended prosecution letter has to be sent back w the relevant box ticked or name filled in. Super Sonic said:
When I received my nip, my first priority was to tick the box, sign it, and send it back. Once you have done this, you no longer have the specific details.
I have no interest in prolonging this back and forth, or getting into any sort of internet argument. My position is very simple:I fully accept that the police or a camera partnership, have the lawful ability to issue tickets for as little as 1mph over the speed limit. I also fully accept this probably happens on very rare occasions for specific reasons. But I do not believe that tickets for speeds below the '10%+1/2/3 guidance' are issued as a matter of course, or for anything other than rare and specific cases.
I am very comfortable maintaining that position until the Police, Safer Roads, any camera partnership, a reputable news or motoring publication, or individual ticketed motorists themselves, demonstrate otherwise, and thus far, none of them have.
If someone else wishes to believe that these sort of tickets are issued on a regular basis, and we just don't know about them, because everyone who receives one just forgets keep a copy, forgets take a photo of it on their phone, or so on, then that is fine. They are free to do so.
Edited by anonymous-user on Friday 24th March 14:00
donkmeister said:
If you are going to drive at GPS speed +10%+1mph to get your money's worth, just don't get annoyed that most people aren't following the same strategy. Especially if you are driving in built up areas, where 23 or 34mph might be too fast for the conditions.
Blindly trying to achieve a particular speed simply because it's not technically speeding is the first step to becoming a member of the 40mph everywhere club
Who says that there's any blindly trying to achieve a particular speed at the expense of driving to the conditions as all drivers are taught and some are good at? I think you made that up.Blindly trying to achieve a particular speed simply because it's not technically speeding is the first step to becoming a member of the 40mph everywhere club
Super Sonic said:
But don't forget these are only guidelines, which aren't always followed.
Prosecution ones are though, the ticket/Traffic offence report will go through the force’s central ticket office someone there checks the details and decides if there’s enough evidence to prove the offence. They will then send out the relevant documents. Super Sonic said:
When I received my nip, my first priority was to tick the box, sign it, and send it back. Once you have done this, you no longer have the specific details. This is why there's no evidence. Do you believe someone who has the experience of receiving a ticket outwith guidelines, or an armchair internet expert who claims it never ever happens and police always follow guidelines and anyone who says otherwise is lying.
No one has received such a ticket though have they.Edited by Super Sonic on Friday 24th March 13:24
And sorry but you are wrong on that one the officers or camera operators would not be allowed to issue the ticket for under the guidelines. This would be stopped by the ticket office (the people who gave out the imaginary ticket or invite to the speed awareness course.
Many moons ago officers could issue tickets without being checked by someone else but this has stopped well before the imaginary 32 in a 30 scenario.
Lord Marylebone said:
I have no interest in prolonging this back and forth, or getting into any sort of internet argument. My position is very simple:
I fully accept that the police or a camera partnership, have the lawful ability to issue tickets for as little as 1mph over the speed limit. I also fully accept this probably happens on very rare occasions for specific reasons. But I do not believe that tickets for speeds below the '10%+1/2/3 guidance' are issued as a matter of course, or for anything other than rare and specific cases.
I am very comfortable maintaining that position until the Police, Safer Roads, any camera partnership, a reputable news or motoring publication, or individual ticketed motorists themselves, demonstrate otherwise, and thus far, none of them have.
If someone else wishes to believe that these sort of tickets are issued on a regular basis, and we just don't know about them, because everyone who receives one just forgets keep a copy, forgets take a photo of it on their phone, or so on, then that is fine. They are free to do so.
For someone who has 'no interest in prolonging this' you're very loquacious.I fully accept that the police or a camera partnership, have the lawful ability to issue tickets for as little as 1mph over the speed limit. I also fully accept this probably happens on very rare occasions for specific reasons. But I do not believe that tickets for speeds below the '10%+1/2/3 guidance' are issued as a matter of course, or for anything other than rare and specific cases.
I am very comfortable maintaining that position until the Police, Safer Roads, any camera partnership, a reputable news or motoring publication, or individual ticketed motorists themselves, demonstrate otherwise, and thus far, none of them have.
If someone else wishes to believe that these sort of tickets are issued on a regular basis, and we just don't know about them, because everyone who receives one just forgets keep a copy, forgets take a photo of it on their phone, or so on, then that is fine. They are free to do so.
Edited by Lord Marylebone on Friday 24th March 14:00
You do accept though, that what people claim 'never happens', does occasionally, which is my position. Nobody ever said it happens on a regular basis.
Craig_suke said:
No one has received such a ticket though have they.
And sorry but you are wrong on that one the officers or camera operators would not be allowed to issue the ticket for under the guidelines. This would be stopped by the ticket office (the people who gave out the imaginary ticket or invite to the speed awareness course.
Many moons ago officers could issue tickets without being checked by someone else but this has stopped well before the imaginary 32 in a 30 scenario.
Sorry but you're wrong. The guidelines are exactly that, so saying they 'wouldn't be allowed under the guidelines' is clearly nonsense. If it wasn't allowed, they would be rules, not guidelines. And sorry but you are wrong on that one the officers or camera operators would not be allowed to issue the ticket for under the guidelines. This would be stopped by the ticket office (the people who gave out the imaginary ticket or invite to the speed awareness course.
Many moons ago officers could issue tickets without being checked by someone else but this has stopped well before the imaginary 32 in a 30 scenario.
Are you trying to claim police always follow guidelines?
Super Sonic said:
Sorry but you're wrong. The guidelines are exactly that, so saying they 'wouldn't be allowed under the guidelines' is clearly nonsense. If it wasn't allowed, they would be rules, not guidelines.
Are you trying to claim police always follow guidelines?
What is being said is we have never seen any documentary evidence of the guidelines not being followedAre you trying to claim police always follow guidelines?
Super Sonic said:
giantdefy said:
What is being said is we have never seen any documentary evidence of the guidelines not being followed
Some are claiming it never happens and calling those who say otherwise liars.Same as prosecution guidelines (or rules as you want to call them funny enough the same thing) from the cps, people don't get prosecuted unless they are followed. Hence why it goes past more than one person to ensure they are followed….End of
Craig_suke said:
Come on then, Do you have evidence of them not being followed?
Same as prosecution guidelines (or rules as you want to call them funny enough the same thing) from the cps, people don't get prosecuted unless they are followed. Hence why it goes past more than one person to ensure they are followed….End of
Your talking rubbish. Rules and Guidelines are two separate things, and the guidelines for the threshold speed for prosecution are not set by the CPS.Same as prosecution guidelines (or rules as you want to call them funny enough the same thing) from the cps, people don't get prosecuted unless they are followed. Hence why it goes past more than one person to ensure they are followed….End of
"end of" lol.
Super Sonic said:
Craig_suke said:
Come on then, Do you have evidence of them not being followed?
Same as prosecution guidelines (or rules as you want to call them funny enough the same thing) from the cps, people don't get prosecuted unless they are followed. Hence why it goes past more than one person to ensure they are followed….End of
Your talking rubbish. Rules and Guidelines are two separate things, and the guidelines for the threshold speed for prosecution are not set by the CPS.Same as prosecution guidelines (or rules as you want to call them funny enough the same thing) from the cps, people don't get prosecuted unless they are followed. Hence why it goes past more than one person to ensure they are followed….End of
"end of" lol.
PorkInsider said:
No one in England has ever got a NIP for less than 10%+2 though, have they?
I got done at 66 in a 60 but no, I didn't take a photo of the NIP. I wouldn't bother lying about it though......It wasn't a camera, it was a police car on a bridge. I spotted it too late. This was in 2019.
Super Sonic said:
MustangGT said:
Super Sonic said:
MustangGT said:
How about proving it by posting a personal detail redacted copy of the 'ticket'?
The notice of intended prosecution letter has to be sent back w the relevant box ticked or name filled in. 
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