Planning permission (or lack of)?

[QBee]

Snooker and ping pong? I used my first ever garage as a ping pong room

[Hugo Stiglitz]

Koyaanisqatsi said:

Pretty much, yes.

I'd be interested to know where the planning notices were erected etc. Surprised you didn't see any and I'd be asking rationale for such a large build I.e. does its actual measure upto the plans?

[trails]

LordBretSinclair said:

fred bloggs said:

Over 80m/sq I think,needs permission.

Rubbish !!!!
Depends totally on size of land and original building to be OK for permitted development.

"the total area of ground covered by buildings, enclosures and containers
within the curtilage (other than the original dwellinghouse) would exceed 50%
of the total area of the curtilage (excluding the ground area of the original
dwellinghouse)"

It needs to be under 30m2 to fall within permitted development and avoid the need for building regs approval.

I've just knocked down and rebuilt my garage/workshop.

[heisthegaffer]

trails said:

LordBretSinclair said:

fred bloggs said:

Over 80m/sq I think,needs permission.

Rubbish !!!!
Depends totally on size of land and original building to be OK for permitted development.

"the total area of ground covered by buildings, enclosures and containers
within the curtilage (other than the original dwellinghouse) would exceed 50%
of the total area of the curtilage (excluding the ground area of the original
dwellinghouse)"

It needs to be under 30m2 to fall within permitted development and avoid the need for building regs approval.

I've just knocked down and rebuilt my garage/workshop.

RE this point, I'm planning a standalone building for a home cinema. If I keep it to 30sqm internally, I can pretty much build it how I like?

[guitarcarfanatic]

30m2 relates to buildings regs. Planning is different. As long as it doesn't use up more than 50% of the garden, it can be as big as you like. Height dictated by whether within 2m of the boundary or not.

Building regs kick in over 15m2 (internal floor space) if within 1m of the boundary (it needs to be built substantially non-combustible, or you need to apply) or for everything over 30m2 (internal floor space) regardless of where it is.

[LordBretSinclair]

trails said:

LordBretSinclair said:

fred bloggs said:

Over 80m/sq I think,needs permission.

Rubbish !!!!
Depends totally on size of land and original building to be OK for permitted development.

"the total area of ground covered by buildings, enclosures and containers
within the curtilage (other than the original dwellinghouse) would exceed 50%
of the total area of the curtilage (excluding the ground area of the original
dwellinghouse)"

It needs to be under 30m2 to fall within permitted development and avoid the need for building regs approval.

I've just knocked down and rebuilt my garage/workshop.

You're getting confused with planning and building regs.

[poo at Paul's]

LordBretSinclair said:

A friend of mine built this "garage" on a part of his extensive property. It's well away from any boundaries and partly shielded by trees.
Cars and motorbikes downstairs - 2 bedrooms, shower room and "kitchen" upstairs. Not technically a kitchen though as no cooker is permanently connected.
This was all done under permitted development and despite the local NIMBYS getting involved the planners were completely happy with it.

Are you sure that is permitted development, being 2 storeys?

[heisthegaffer]

guitarcarfanatic said:

30m2 relates to buildings regs. Planning is different. As long as it doesn't use up more than 50% of the garden, it can be as big as you like. Height dictated by whether within 2m of the boundary or not.

Building regs kick in over 15m2 (internal floor space) if within 1m of the boundary (it needs to be built substantially non-combustible, or you need to apply) or for everything over 30m2 (internal floor space) regardless of where it is.

If I wanted a 30sqm block built with flat roof at the edge of my garden, up to 2.5m flat roof I'd need to adhere to building regs?

[guitarcarfanatic]

heisthegaffer said:

If I wanted a 30sqm block built with flat roof at the edge of my garden, up to 2.5m flat roof I'd need to adhere to building regs?

If the internal floorspace is greater than 30m2, yes. If it's a 30m2 footprint, then no as the internal floor space would be under the 30m2 and substantially non-combustible.

From a planning POV, assuming you have PD rights, then as long as it's under 2.5m total height and doesn't take up more than 50% of your original garden, then all good. Providing the use is incidental to the main house (so not used to live in, but an office or workshop is fine).

[Heaveho]

heisthegaffer said:

guitarcarfanatic said:

30m2 relates to buildings regs. Planning is different. As long as it doesn't use up more than 50% of the garden, it can be as big as you like. Height dictated by whether within 2m of the boundary or not.

Building regs kick in over 15m2 (internal floor space) if within 1m of the boundary (it needs to be built substantially non-combustible, or you need to apply) or for everything over 30m2 (internal floor space) regardless of where it is.

If I wanted a 30sqm block built with flat roof at the edge of my garden, up to 2.5m flat roof I'd need to adhere to building regs?

I was told by Eastleigh borough council that I could build a double garage 30m2 and I think 4m high without permission or regs as long as it was a certain distance from the house. I built it right down at the bottom of a 100ft rear garden so as to have a long drive and loads of parking. Details are a bit hazy as this was in 2001. I duly did exactly as instructed and included a pit without any official inspection or regulation. The council simply weren't remotely interested in it. I could have built it bigger and it would more than likely have gone unnoticed to most people. I dare say things may have changed since then, but from what's being said on here, it doesn't sound like it. The house was tiny, it was a big garage in proportion to the house.

I sold the house in 2016 to my eternal regret, when I drive past it now it's become apparent the new owner is using the garage as a gym, the utter waster!

[martinbiz]

Pica-Pica said:

We regularly check our local council’s planning portal. We have been aware and successful opposed a crammed in house that in-fills in a conservation area.

I would suggest OP checks the local planning and see what was granted, and the buildings plans. From what has been described this seems a piss-take of a building.

Some local near us had a large metal barn built for agricultural vehicle storage. He was grante permission but conditions of position and colour were imposed. My wife has chatted to his wife before and she said ‘he just wants it for his toys, really’. He is a retired farmer, well, as much as any farmer retires.

Sometimes it’s a case of ‘live and let live’, you never know when you may what something a bit ‘unusual’.

ETA. Always worth having the local council, and local flood maps as a bookmark.

Edited by Pica-Pica on Wednesday 22 March 11:39

Why do you think it’s a piss-take, from the OP’s description it sounds like a reasonable building within permitted development and from the last post it would seem that the council agree

[OutInTheShed]

martinbiz said:

Why do you think it’s a piss-take, from the OP’s description it sounds like a reasonable building within permitted development and from the last post it would seem that the council agree

Sounds like shanty town housing TBH.

[Orang]

Heaveho said:

I was told by Eastleigh borough council that I could build a double garage 30m2 and I think 4m high without permission or regs as long as it was a certain distance from the house. I built it right down at the bottom of a 100ft rear garden so as to have a long drive and loads of parking. Details are a bit hazy as this was in 2001. I duly did exactly as instructed and included a pit without any official inspection or regulation. The council simply weren't remotely interested in it. I could have built it bigger and it would more than likely have gone unnoticed to most people. I dare say things may have changed since then, but from what's being said on here, it doesn't sound like it. The house was tiny, it was a big garage in proportion to the house.

I sold the house in 2016 to my eternal regret, when I drive past it now it's become apparent the new owner is using the garage as a gym, the utter waster!

Presume the new owner is now powerfully built..........?

[trails]

LordBretSinclair said:

trails said:

LordBretSinclair said:

fred bloggs said:

Over 80m/sq I think,needs permission.

Rubbish !!!!
Depends totally on size of land and original building to be OK for permitted development.

"the total area of ground covered by buildings, enclosures and containers
within the curtilage (other than the original dwellinghouse) would exceed 50%
of the total area of the curtilage (excluding the ground area of the original
dwellinghouse)"

It needs to be under 30m2 to fall within permitted development and avoid the need for building regs approval.

I've just knocked down and rebuilt my garage/workshop.

You're getting confused with planning and building regs.

Oops, yes that was not a helpful post

[Heaveho]

Orang said:

Heaveho said:

I was told by Eastleigh borough council that I could build a double garage 30m2 and I think 4m high without permission or regs as long as it was a certain distance from the house. I built it right down at the bottom of a 100ft rear garden so as to have a long drive and loads of parking. Details are a bit hazy as this was in 2001. I duly did exactly as instructed and included a pit without any official inspection or regulation. The council simply weren't remotely interested in it. I could have built it bigger and it would more than likely have gone unnoticed to most people. I dare say things may have changed since then, but from what's being said on here, it doesn't sound like it. The house was tiny, it was a big garage in proportion to the house.

I sold the house in 2016 to my eternal regret, when I drive past it now it's become apparent the new owner is using the garage as a gym, the utter waster!

Presume the new owner is now powerfully built..........?

More than likely after 7 years......

[mgv8]

heisthegaffer said:

LordBretSinclair said:

A friend of mine built this "garage" on a part of his extensive property. It's well away from any boundaries and partly shielded by trees.
Cars and motorbikes downstairs - 2 bedrooms, shower room and "kitchen" upstairs. Not technically a kitchen though as no cooker is permanently connected.
This was all done under permitted development and despite the local NIMBYS getting involved the planners were completely happy with it.

That looks amazing. Would love something like that.

Thred gets highjacked by all the Piston Headers who would love a space like this LOL

[Koyaanisqatsi]

Some extracts from the planning docs for clarity regarding the above points:

Development is not permitted [...] if
- the total area of ground covered by buildings, enclosures and containers within the curtilage (other than the original dwellinghouse) would exceed 50% of the total area of the curtilage (excluding the ground area of the original dwellinghouse);

- any part of the building, enclosure, pool or container would be situated on land forward of a wall forming the principal elevation of the original dwellinghouse (complies: the outbuilding would not project forward of the front wall, which is considered to form the principal elevation of the original dwellinghouse.);

- the building would have more than a single storey;

- the height of the building, enclosure or container would exceed-
(i) 4 metres in the case of a building with a dual-pitched roof,
(ii) 2.5 metres in the case of a building, enclosure or container within 2 metres of the boundary of the curtilage of the dwellinghouse, or
(iii) 3 metres in any other case; (complies: the outbuilding would have a pitched roof and would not exceed 4m in height.)

[Heaveho]

I'll take a stab in the dark here and say that the owners did what I did. That being, asked the question, submitted the facts and were told to go ahead as it doesn't need planning permission due to distance from house and boundary, and size in relation to existing property. Obviously, they may have omitted certain details which may have precluded permission being given and are now in contravention.

If it's that visible and being constructed so openly, it would seem to indicate that they don't feel they are doing anything wrong, but there's nowt as queer as folk and they may just not care. Have they a history or reputation of being good / difficult locally?

[Richard-390a0]

Heaveho said:

I was told by Eastleigh borough council that I could build a double garage 30m2 and I think 4m high without permission or regs as long as it was a certain distance from the house. The council simply weren't remotely interested in it.

Typical EBC until the whole borough is built upon they won't care. I'm sure Keith House must have shares in Readymix or a Brickworks lol!

[heisthegaffer]

guitarcarfanatic said:

heisthegaffer said:

If I wanted a 30sqm block built with flat roof at the edge of my garden, up to 2.5m flat roof I'd need to adhere to building regs?

If the internal floorspace is greater than 30m2, yes. If it's a 30m2 footprint, then no as the internal floor space would be under the 30m2 and substantially non-combustible.

From a planning POV, assuming you have PD rights, then as long as it's under 2.5m total height and doesn't take up more than 50% of your original garden, then all good. Providing the use is incidental to the main house (so not used to live in, but an office or workshop is fine).

Thanks. It would be 30sqm, up to 2.5m total height, less than 50% of the garden and non combustible. Use would be home cinema with a bar area.