Chris Kaba Shooting

[The Gauge]

Earthdweller said:

I’m led to believe that you could count the number of applicants for the ARV role on the last internal recruitment drive on the fingers of one hand .. it used to be a very popular and desirable posting

There is already a shortfall in numbers with vacant posts running into three figures

They are struggling to both retain and recruit already

I also believe they have opened up the applications for officers that are still in their probationary period (less than 2 years service)

Edited by Earthdweller on Sunday 10th March 10:40

In this case they could indeed count the number of applicants on a Londoners one hand, as their were just six

Trevatanus said:

Already has https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/met-in-firear...

Whilst I support the cop involved, non of us (I assume) actually knows the full facts and there is a possibility that he over reacted and used excessive force, though for the reasons outlined in recent posts I doubt this very much.

[XCP]

LimmerickLad said:

XCP said:

You were lucky to get to drive a car once upon a time!

There used to be a big blue box with a phone in at the end of the street I was brought up on.

Edited by LimmerickLad on Sunday 10th March 10:54

I never used one. However the best car in my station when I joined was a Mk4 Cortina, which probationers could only dream of driving!

[Patio]

The Gauge said:

Who's predicting disorder in the streets if he is (hopefully) found not guilty, similar to the Duggan situation?

His lad has just been sent down for drug or firearm offences

Must be in the genes

[happie33]

recycled from september 2023 ….

V 02 said:

I’m not sure if anyone knows on here because I haven’t bothered to read the first 20 pages, so it might have been mentioned on here before:

Chris was a member of a gang called 67, known under the street name “Itch” or “Maddix”

67 are also a drill (rap) group but only as a means of a side hustle to their gang.

They had a huge song that everybody in London under the age of 23 will know:


“Let’s Lurk” - 67
https://youtu.be/f10yTpZzuv4?feature=shared


And the lyrics aren’t just bravado, 67/BHB/OSG were one of the most feared gangs in London and made the Clapham Park estate a no go zone when they were in their prime, now most of their members have grown up, died, been stabbed or are in prison. Everything they rapped about they did. He wasn’t in that song, but that paints a picture of what he was about. He was a heavily involved member and he was already well known by people in Brixton Hill (I’m not from there)

So Itch was nowhere near innocent and had it coming, the reality is in that life you either die or go to prison, they were groomed from young and once you’re in , you will never get out, he probably knew no better either because you become brainwashed into only believing in that life.

I’m also certain everyone on here has heard of his firearms convictions.

Whatever his family say he was doing, e.g studying, working hard etc I can almost 100% say its nonsense. You don’t go to work in a stolen Audi linked to firearms. Even if he was unarmed, there had to be some credible intelligence that he was about to do something fishy for armed police to TPAC and shoot, the same way Mark Duggan died.


Every young person who grew up in London, outside from the private schools and the pompous new yuppies, knows the reality of whats happening on the roads, stuff like this is a day to day experience, trust me the people who are protesting about Itch knew what he was up to and knew what he did, or they are just deluded.


There’s no denying institutional racism is alive and kicking in the Met, or in fact all public bodies, but watch as more dramatic information comes out to light. UK police, while they have their dodgy side, are nowhere near as trigger happy and thrill seeking as US citizens or cops.

[donkmeister]

freedman said:

donkmeister said:

All the more reason that body/car cam footage should be publicised where possible.

Yes, some people will always cry that it was a racism even when the facts and video show otherwise. But, it hugely reduces the numbers attending any mass looting and vandalism sprees protests as well as identifying who is a moron who cannot interpret simple facts.

I’d like to know why Kabas family were shown the BWV soon after the event. At that stage the officer had not been charged and was merely under investigation (as you would expect)

Surely that footage should only have been used at trial or internal conduct hearings?

Presumably to show them how their family member got himself shot. I.e. it wasn't racism, there's no cover-up, he was being a stupid man and earned himself an unaliving for his trouble. They presumably already knew what sort of activities and people he was involved with.

However, they were (and still will be) absolutely grief stricken, so I don't think anyone in that position would just nod and say "yeah, sure. You did the right thing by shooting my son." So, showing just them is unlikely to help.

[donkmeister]

carinaman said:

donkmeister said:

The Gauge said:

Who's predicting disorder in the streets if he is (hopefully) found not guilty, similar to the Duggan situation?

All the more reason that body/car cam footage should be publicised where possible.

Yes, some people will always cry that it was a racism even when the facts and video show otherwise. But, it hugely reduces the numbers attending any mass looting and vandalism sprees protests as well as identifying who is a moron who cannot interpret simple facts.

The Fall of Minneapolis documentary on YouTube has police body worn video of the George Floyd death and a previous incident. Edited highlights of the death of George Floyd helped that be weaponised, monetised and politicised.

I agree, which is all the more reason to show the video in full. It deprives the angry irrational few of the support of people who are basing their reaction on a few seconds of video on Tik Tok.

There was a heavily cut video recently that appeared to show an old white man slapping a black woman, but when the full video is shown it shows she was being a complete , had already assaulted him, and was absolutely the aggressor.

[ED209]

Earthdweller said:

It’s CPS passing the buck to the Courts, happened many times before

Charging is their get out of jail free card and absolves them of any criticism whether convicted/acquitted

Same happens with the IOPC

CPS guidance is clear, they absolutely shouldn’t be lowering the evidential standard no matter who the defendant is.

I believe they do though and as a serving officer I suspect I will find myself in front of a court in the fairly near future for something that would be nowhere near even reaching the CPS if I was any other member of the public. The allegation is nothing to do with my job either and should really have been closed within 24 hours of it being made, sadly nobody seems to have the minerals to make a decision based on the facts simply because I am a police officer.

[OutInTheShed]

ED209 said:

CPS guidance is clear, they absolutely shouldn’t be lowering the evidential standard no matter who the defendant is.

I believe they do though and as a serving officer I suspect I will find myself in front of a court in the fairly near future for something that would be nowhere near even reaching the CPS if I was any other member of the public. The allegation is nothing to do with my job either and should really have been closed within 24 hours of it being made, sadly nobody seems to have the minerals to make a decision based on the facts simply because I am a police officer.

I think 'civilian shoots dead unarmed civilian' would generally be going a long way towards 'enough evidence to charge'?

[Earthdweller]

OutInTheShed said:

I think 'civilian shoots dead unarmed civilian' would generally be going a long way towards 'enough evidence to charge'?

What civilian would that be?

[Slaav]

donkmeister said:

freedman said:

donkmeister said:

All the more reason that body/car cam footage should be publicised where possible.

Yes, some people will always cry that it was a racism even when the facts and video show otherwise. But, it hugely reduces the numbers attending any mass looting and vandalism sprees protests as well as identifying who is a moron who cannot interpret simple facts.

I’d like to know why Kabas family were shown the BWV soon after the event. At that stage the officer had not been charged and was merely under investigation (as you would expect)

Surely that footage should only have been used at trial or internal conduct hearings?

Presumably to show them how their family member got himself shot. I.e. it wasn't racism, there's no cover-up, he was being a stupid man and earned himself an unaliving for his trouble. They presumably already knew what sort of activities and people he was involved with.

However, they were (and still will be) absolutely grief stricken, so I don't think anyone in that position would just nod and say "yeah, sure. You did the right thing by shooting my son." So, showing just them is unlikely to help.

I seem to remember that it was in an attempt to unwind some tension and lower temperatures generally. Up until this point, the family and friends were screaming ‘blue murder’ and did, in fact, quieten down somewhat - at least for a period?