Thomas Cashman sentence

[pocketspring]

Can't see him coming out after 42 years. They may as well send him in with a tape measure.

[Greedydog]

croyde said:

KAgantua said:

cossy400 said:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11932623/...


Dead man walking it would seem.

Good to see other gangsters have morals...

"A £250,000 bounty has allegedly been placed on the killer's head amid fears that he will 'grass' fellow gang members to lighten his sentence, it was reported last night."

Oh wait...

If it’s true it’s not because they have morals, it’s to tie up loose ends. These people don’t see the rest of society as being human, everyone else is a victim to be preyed upon.

[Hammersia]

Bit surprised it's that long TBH. That's more serial killer territory normally.

Average time served for murder in the UK is 16.5 years, and 10% of offenders are released after less than 10 years.

When you compare with cases like Saba mentioned recently who only served three years for waving a gun around.

[jan8p]

Hammersia said:

Bit surprised it's that long TBH. That's more serial killer territory normally.

Average time served for murder in the UK is 16.5 years, and 10% of offenders are released after less than 10 years.

When you compare with cases like Saba mentioned recently who only served three years for waving a gun around.

During the sentencing remarks the Judge focussed on it being premeditated, I expect that has a large sway on the term. It wasn't a spur of the moment killing, he waited for him earlier in the day and missed his chance, and then had another go in this unfortunate incident.

[pingu393]

Interesting point my wife made...

The senior member of his parole board will probably have been born around the same time as Olivia. Will they be thinking "it could have been me"?

Either that, or they haven't even been born yet.

[Hammersia]

jan8p said:

Hammersia said:

Bit surprised it's that long TBH. That's more serial killer territory normally.

Average time served for murder in the UK is 16.5 years, and 10% of offenders are released after less than 10 years.

When you compare with cases like Saba mentioned recently who only served three years for waving a gun around.

During the sentencing remarks the Judge focussed on it being premeditated, I expect that has a large sway on the term.

I'm not sure if the reporting has completely clarified this, but it seems he was chasing down his victim, in public, and fired his gun before going inside the house?

Sounds more like a stupid, inadequate person doing stupid, inadequate things?

[outnumbered]

Not going to argue against the length of the sentence, although I'd imagine that there's an element of making a big example of this guy involved in its severity. Society isn't exactly going to miss his contribution, so what's not to like ?

[pocketspring]

Probably about right for all the charges.

"Cashman was arrested on 29 September 2022 and was charged with Olivia’s murder. He was also charged with the attempted murder of Joseph Nee, wounding of Cheryl Korbel with intent to inflict grievous bodily harm and two counts of possession of a firearm with intent to endanger life, namely a 9mm calibre self-loading pistol and a 0.3 calibre revolver."

[CoolHands]

Ad the fact they know he’s killed before.

Excellent. Now he can be a big man in jail.

[Hammersia]

pocketspring said:

Probably about right for all the charges.

"Cashman was arrested on 29 September 2022 and was charged with Olivia’s murder. He was also charged with the attempted murder of Joseph Nee, wounding of Cheryl Korbel with intent to inflict grievous bodily harm and two counts of possession of a firearm with intent to endanger life, namely a 9mm calibre self-loading pistol and a 0.3 calibre revolver."

Recent cases, interesting by comparison:

Planned execution, 25 years:
https://www.glasgowlive.co.uk/news/glasgow-news/gl...

Planned execution, 22 years:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-wes...

Planned execution, AK47, 30 years:
https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2005/aug/24/ukguns....

Even the Rhys Jones child killer, although he was 16 at the time only got 22 years:
https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liverpool-new...

Edited by Hammersia on Monday 3rd April 16:49

[Koyaanisqatsi]

Hammersia said:

I'm not sure if the reporting has completely clarified this, but it seems he was chasing down his victim, in public, and fired his gun before going inside the house?

Sounds more like a stupid, inadequate person doing stupid, inadequate things?

Do you think his sentence should not be as lengthy as 42 years then, and that he didn't actually mean to shoot dead a 9-year-old girl. Is that a mitigating factor that he's just a 'stupid person'?

[pocketspring]

Hammersia said:

pocketspring said:

Probably about right for all the charges.

"Cashman was arrested on 29 September 2022 and was charged with Olivia’s murder. He was also charged with the attempted murder of Joseph Nee, wounding of Cheryl Korbel with intent to inflict grievous bodily harm and two counts of possession of a firearm with intent to endanger life, namely a 9mm calibre self-loading pistol and a 0.3 calibre revolver."

Recent cases, interesting by comparison:

Planned execution, 25 years:
https://www.glasgowlive.co.uk/news/glasgow-news/gl...

Planned execution, 22 years:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-wes...

Planned execution, AK47, 30 years:
https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2005/aug/24/ukguns....

Even the Rhys Jones child killer, although he was 16 at the time only got 22 years:
https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liverpool-new...

Edited by Hammersia on Monday 3rd April 16:49

Yes, interesting. Seems they may have ordered the sentences to run consecutively.

[Andy 308GTB]

pocketspring said:

Hammersia said:

pocketspring said:

Probably about right for all the charges.

"Cashman was arrested on 29 September 2022 and was charged with Olivia’s murder. He was also charged with the attempted murder of Joseph Nee, wounding of Cheryl Korbel with intent to inflict grievous bodily harm and two counts of possession of a firearm with intent to endanger life, namely a 9mm calibre self-loading pistol and a 0.3 calibre revolver."

Recent cases, interesting by comparison:

Planned execution, 25 years:
https://www.glasgowlive.co.uk/news/glasgow-news/gl...

Planned execution, 22 years:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-wes...

Planned execution, AK47, 30 years:
https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2005/aug/24/ukguns....

Even the Rhys Jones child killer, although he was 16 at the time only got 22 years:
https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liverpool-new...

Edited by Hammersia on Monday 3rd April 16:49

Yes, interesting. Seems they may have ordered the sentences to run consecutively.

The sentences are concurrent, I think the sentences were:

42 years for killing the little girl
22 years for the attempted murder of the drug dealer (edited)
10 years for injuring the mother

[normalbloke]

He’ll appeal that, sadly, and possibly have it reduced. I hope I’m very wrong.

[TTmonkey]

Message sent.

[agtlaw]

Hammersia said:

Recent cases, interesting by comparison:

Two of those are Scottish cases!

Sentencing remarks published here:

https://www.judiciary.uk/judgments/rex-v-thomas-ca...

[Aretnap]

Hammersia said:

Recent cases, interesting by comparison:

Planned execution, 25 years:
https://www.glasgowlive.co.uk/news/glasgow-news/gl...

Planned execution, 22 years:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-wes...

Planned execution, AK47, 30 years:
https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2005/aug/24/ukguns....

Even the Rhys Jones child killer, although he was 16 at the time only got 22 years:
https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liverpool-new...

The first two are Scottish cases. Scotland is a whole other country with its own laws, legal system and precedents. It's not especially helpful to compare Scottish sentences with English ones.

The third case is from 2005 which is not particularly recent in legal terms. The modern law around life sentences and tarrifs only dates from 2003 and has evolved significantly since then. In any event I'd suggest that the fact that one guy killed an adult gangster and the other killed a nine year old girl is a fairly significant difference between the cases.

In the fourth case, where a killer is below 18 at the time of a murder it makes a BIG difference to the sentencing.

[PorkInsider]

Hammersia said:

I'm not sure if the reporting has completely clarified this, but it seems he was chasing down his victim, in public, and fired his gun before going inside the house?

Sounds more like a stupid, inadequate person doing stupid, inadequate things?

It was pretty clear on some of the CCTV footage shown on the news - sound was included, too.

He was chasing the other scrote (Nee), shooting at him. Nee was wounded and fell, Cashman tried to execute him but they think the gun malfunctioned.

Nee got up and ran some more, heading for the open door at Olivia's house. Cashman pulled out another gun and chased him to the house where he then shot Olivia and her mum.

Being fed alive to a pack of hyenas would be too good for Cashman.

[cossy400]

They have no morals in the underground, if they carnt get him dont be surprised if his missus and kids are gone after.

It may sound all movie stuff, but if he starts spouting and they are then looking at a stretch I'd say no ones off limits.

42 years is a good example though or what his mates could end up with.

AFAIK the 250k was spouted by some gangster off a chat on an encryption phone thingy.

I did chuckle a little though when she said it's 42 years minus the 180 odd days his already been locked up for.

[ChrisH79]

jm8403 said:

cjt1979 said:

He will be category A for a long, long time before being considered for open conditions and only then maybe in the final quarter of his sentence or maybe never! As the previous poster mentioned, the numbers (or the nonce wing as they are known) are usually for people under considerable danger in the main prison ie sex offenders, rapists etc or people who have enemies within the system. Cashman will 100% not end up on a protection wing!

As for sentence life with min 30-35 years

You say minimum sentence, does that mean he will serve that amount as a minimum, or could be out in 15?

The way the system works now (and any changes are generally not applied retrospectively) his 42 year minimum mean this will be when he is eligible for release if deemed suitable by the Parole board. He could under current rules be moved to an open prison after 40 years but most people who have served so long behind bars can’t cope. Even if he does eventually get released he will be subject to life long licence conditions and even minor breaches can see you recalled very swiftly