"Police reported ahead" on Waze

[oyster]

Heaveho said:

oyster said:

21st Century Man said:

kowalski655 said:

fined for warning of speed traps

Fined for helping to enforce the limit and prevent crime

Would you approve of letting would-be burglars be aware of a police surveillance operation?

If we're at the stage where we're comparing burglary to speeding, we can also assume that common sense really has gone for good. Using that as an analogy requires a reality check.

Fair point, I accept that.

Doesn’t change the principle though.

Warning drivers of an impending speed trap isn’t preventing crime, it’s preventing potential offenders getting caught.

[Pelicula]

Heaveho said:

oyster said:

21st Century Man said:

kowalski655 said:

fined for warning of speed traps

Fined for helping to enforce the limit and prevent crime

Would you approve of letting would-be burglars be aware of a police surveillance operation?

If we're at the stage where we're comparing burglary to speeding, we can also assume that common sense really has gone for good. Using that as an analogy requires a reality check.

Absolutely.
Anyone on the wrong side of this argument needs to have a serious think about this particular facet of their personality disorder.

[Heaveho]

oyster said:

Heaveho said:

oyster said:

21st Century Man said:

kowalski655 said:

fined for warning of speed traps

Fined for helping to enforce the limit and prevent crime

Would you approve of letting would-be burglars be aware of a police surveillance operation?

If we're at the stage where we're comparing burglary to speeding, we can also assume that common sense really has gone for good. Using that as an analogy requires a reality check.

Fair point, I accept that.

Doesn’t change the principle though.

Warning drivers of an impending speed trap isn’t preventing crime, it’s preventing potential offenders getting caught.

Well, I'm impressed that you accepted the criticism without argument, so we aren't worlds apart.

I won't defend people breaking 30 limits, I'm well known for being no saint, but breaking a 30 is asking for it. Motorway limits are, to me, often unrealistic, and breaking them doesn't bother me in the slightest if opportunity presents. I would also have no problem warning others about a police presence in any circumstances. I despise the hypocrisy of marketing it as a safety measure. If that's what it really was about, they wouldn't just take your photograph and let you carry on your way, possibly still speeding because they don't always make it obvious they've caught you, they would have measures in place to stop you immediately.

It's a revenue stream, pure and simple, and until they come clean and admit it, I'll treat the system with the derision it deserves.

[bigothunter]

Sebring440 said:

Simon_GH said:

I thought Highways England could report enthusiastic driving to the Police so worth knowing about?

Anyone can report "enthusiastic driving" to the police.

Seems strange that enthusiasm can be considered as bad. So I investigated Antonyms of Enthusiastic to discover the correct way to drive. Some good ones here

Antonyms & Near Antonyms of Enthusiastic:
indifferent
unenthusiastic
apathetic
casual
uninterested
disinterested
unconcerned
nonchalant
aloof
incurious
detached
insouciant
reluctant
stolid
impassive
unwilling
uneager
lukewarm
hesitant
halfhearted
lackadaisical
languid
averse
spiritless
languorous
loath
disinclined

[theplayingmantis]

Pelicula said:

Countdown said:

remedy said:

Argh. They are well camouflaged to look like Police. A30 yesterday had one in a huge Volvo XC90. Everyone slowed up to 60 and it created a huge convoy as they were too scared to pass at 70.
You can tell they love it. Arm on the window sill, sitting at 60.

Aren't the morons the ones who panic and slow down to 60?

AIUI if they cruised at 70mph it would result in a much bigger queue as very few people would want to risk passing them. At 60mph those of us with a functioning brain no it's perfectly legal to overtake them.

It only takes one or two overly cautious to sit at 60 then everyone else is forced to queue behind. The impatient/late/moronic drivers further back have no clue or interest in whats causing the hold up so undertaking and crazy manoeuvres abound.
Yeah, really safe policies....

The day I see 'Keep Left Unless Overtaking' on a Gantry Display will be the day I believe they really want to keep us safe, our licences unsullied and traffic moving efficiently.
That'll be the day.

not on gantries but a fair few of these signs on the m6. makes no difference to the good folk of brum and surrounds, they continue to sit in l2 or 3 in their prius or badge delete beemer/blacked out audi etc.

[Mr Miata]

Heaveho said:

It's a revenue stream, pure and simple, and until they come clean and admit it, I'll treat the system with the derision it deserves.

How is it a revenue stream when you never have to pay if you’re driving at the correct speed?

You’re paying out of choice.

[Chainsaw Rebuild]

Mr Miata said:

Heaveho said:

It's a revenue stream, pure and simple, and until they come clean and admit it, I'll treat the system with the derision it deserves.

How is it a revenue stream when you never have to pay if you’re driving at the correct speed?

You’re paying out of choice.

It clearly is a revenue gathering exercise in some places. A road quite near me had a 60mph limit, for as long as I can remember, but a few years ago it changed to a 40mph limit. The old limit was fine, the road is safe at that speed. Which is why a lot of people drive on it at least 50mph perfectly safely.

However there is occasionally a speed trap there, presumably generating a lot of revenue and not making things safer. If anyhting, it just makes people view speed enforcement negatively. I can report that people will flash you to let you know there is a speed trap there and waze is always updated.

[bigothunter]

Mr Miata said:

Heaveho said:

It's a revenue stream, pure and simple, and until they come clean and admit it, I'll treat the system with the derision it deserves.

How is it a revenue stream when you never have to pay if you’re driving at the correct speed?

You’re paying out of choice.

A synonym for correct is appropriate. Many speed limits are not appropriate.

You're choosing to use a euphemism and expecting us to buy into your misspeak.

Edited by bigothunter on Tuesday 8th August 11:36

[Griffith4ever]

Chainsaw Rebuild said:

Mr Miata said:

Heaveho said:

It's a revenue stream, pure and simple, and until they come clean and admit it, I'll treat the system with the derision it deserves.

How is it a revenue stream when you never have to pay if you’re driving at the correct speed?

You’re paying out of choice.

It clearly is a revenue gathering exercise in some places. A road quite near me had a 60mph limit, for as long as I can remember, but a few years ago it changed to a 40mph limit. The old limit was fine, the road is safe at that speed. Which is why a lot of people drive on it at least 50mph perfectly safely.

However there is occasionally a speed trap there, presumably generating a lot of revenue and not making things safer. If anyhting, it just makes people view speed enforcement negatively. I can report that people will flash you to let you know there is a speed trap there and waze is always updated.

Yeah - we have an infamous one locally where the exit of the motorway leads off to a dual carriageway with a specific, wide overtaking lane before a merge that anyone in their right mind would assume is at least 60, or even a 50, but no, it's a 30, with ONE repeater sign on the motorway down slip (so easy to miss as you are not expecting one there, plus, decellerating from motorway speeds and paying attention to the cars around you).

The police, pretty much every other day, sit up the hill round a corner, in a layby in a van issuing tickets all day long catching out anyone who isn't local (all the locals have already been caught, or, read the local paper articles about it). They are taking advantage of a situation. The local rags have campaigned to get answers and the police response is "The repeater sign is legally sufficient".

It causes a lot of resentment and loss of respect for the local police. I have two friends in the local county police force and both they agree its shameful.

I imagine its more about driving ticket targets than the money, but who knows? either way, it is plain as day entrapment. Most people are not "living-highway-code" books, and can easily miss badly signed limits.

[Mr Miata]

bigothunter said:

Mr Miata said:

Heaveho said:

It's a revenue stream, pure and simple, and until they come clean and admit it, I'll treat the system with the derision it deserves.

How is it a revenue stream when you never have to pay if you’re driving at the correct speed?

You’re paying out of choice.

A synonym for correct is appropriate. Many speed limits are not appropriate.

You're choosing to use a euphemism and expecting us to buy into your misspeak.

Edited by bigothunter on Tuesday 8th August 11:36

If the speed limit is 50mph and you drive at 50 mph, you never have a fine to pay no matter how many times you drive up and down that stretch of road. How is it a revenue making scheme?

[sospan]

Our County Council put out a report alongside this year’s tax increase. One proposal was to buy a second speed camera van TO INCREASE REVENUE.
No mention of improving safety, just a cash generator.
Add in the widespread increase in 20mph zones across the county in virtually every village and across areas of towns....
Speed humps breed faster than rabbits, yet most cameras have been removed. Are they being upgraded for a wider speed range to cope with the 20 zones?
We also have a road outside a school with a traffic ban during drop off/ pick up times. Only authorised vehicles allowed.

Edited by sospan on Tuesday 8th August 12:29

[bigothunter]

Mr Miata said:

bigothunter said:

Mr Miata said:

Heaveho said:

It's a revenue stream, pure and simple, and until they come clean and admit it, I'll treat the system with the derision it deserves.

How is it a revenue stream when you never have to pay if you’re driving at the correct speed?

You’re paying out of choice.

A synonym for correct is appropriate. Many speed limits are not appropriate.

You're choosing to use a euphemism and expecting us to buy into your misspeak.

If the speed limit is 50mph and you drive at 50 mph, you never have a fine to pay no matter how many times you drive up and down that stretch of road. How is it a revenue making scheme?

What happens when that speed limit changes to 30 mph? Is 30 the new correct speed?

[Pelicula]

I'd have a teeny, tiny, little more respect if it all wasn't so obviously one-sided and unfair.
Come to my small town/large village and risk going over by a few minutes in either of the two sparsely-occupied council controlled car parks and you'll be hit with a fine.
Stuck in a supermarket queue ? fk you, pay me.
Longer discussion with your doctor than first expected ? fk you, pay me.

However, do feel free to park on any of our double yellows, junctions, bus stops or disabled bays on the narrow main roads as you'll be fine.
Especially if you have a sharp side parting and wear a white vest while leaning on the bonnet of your 23 plate Range Rover, texting.
These areas are, noticeably, no longer 'policed' since the recent 'invasion'.

[RDMcG]

New York State troopers seem to monitor Waze. I drive through Western NY often and I get the Police Reported alerts, but I think they do too, so they move the cruisers. I have come across a few that have moved further down. Waze is not infallible, though its helpful.

[Somewhatfoolish]

The alert comes too late anyway, certainly for camera vans. Can usually see them before it says anything (which means you would be busted).

[theplayingmantis]

Yes the report is often a bit late and i find that sometimes no audio warning just a visual which is easily missed.

Anyone know why you don't always get an audio warning, its not in the settings.

[bad company]

theplayingmantis said:

Yes the report is often a bit late and i find that sometimes no audio warning just a visual which is easily missed.

Anyone know why you don't always get an audio warning, its not in the settings.

You only get the audio alert if you’re exceeding the speed limit.

[Tymb]

I think you only get a warning if you have set a route.

Normally have a quick look at the route overview before setting off as it will have a little marker.

[drdel]

Surely to obstruct an officer doing his duty you would need to know the motorist you 'flashed' was in fact speeding!

[vonhosen]

Chainsaw Rebuild said:

Mr Miata said:

Heaveho said:

It's a revenue stream, pure and simple, and until they come clean and admit it, I'll treat the system with the derision it deserves.

How is it a revenue stream when you never have to pay if you’re driving at the correct speed?

You’re paying out of choice.

It clearly is a revenue gathering exercise in some places. A road quite near me had a 60mph limit, for as long as I can remember, but a few years ago it changed to a 40mph limit. The old limit was fine, the road is safe at that speed. Which is why a lot of people drive on it at least 50mph perfectly safely.

However there is occasionally a speed trap there, presumably generating a lot of revenue and not making things safer. If anyhting, it just makes people view speed enforcement negatively. I can report that people will flash you to let you know there is a speed trap there and waze is always updated.

You're still choosing to speed though & open yourself up to the fine. You don't have to do it.
The fact it may be safe to travel faster than the limit doesn't alter that fact.
The limit doesn't tell you a safe speed to travel at, it tells you the legal limit.