A Police Invitation for a Voluntary Interview

[Zeeky]

President Merkin said:

Pretty obvious R3G has a bug up his behind over the use of the word evidence to describe an allegation. Clearly they are not the same thing.

They are if the allegation is made by the alleged victim.

[MrBogSmith]

President Merkin said:

Pretty obvious R3G has a bug up his behind over the use of the word evidence to describe an allegation. Clearly they are not the same thing. An allegation is a factual claim yet to be proven. Evidence is the means by which an allegation is advanced.

This generalisation is wrong. They can be one of the same.

The police attend an incident. A states, "B punched me". That's both an allegation and evidence at the same time.

The police officer may well record in their statement and may repeat it orally in court.

Despite your overview of 'both sides', you've actually placed yourself with those who don't know what they're talking about.

[zarjaz1991]

Nibbles_bits said:

Was anyone arrested?

Does that matter? Or are you ok with coppers threatening to make up allegations? As funnily enough that’s what happened to me many years ago. It’s almost as if it’s fairly common.

[pavarotti1980]

zarjaz1991 said:

Does that matter? Or are you ok with coppers threatening to make up allegations? As funnily enough that’s what happened to me many years ago. It’s almost as if it’s fairly common.

What makes it fairly common? Its almost like you have gone looking for something to try and fit a narrative which 99.999999% doesnt exist

[President Merkin]

MrBogSmith said:

his generalisation is wrong.


Despite your overview of 'both sides', you've actually placed yourself with those who don't know what they're talking about.

What overview? I note in passing, very copper going in here is picking up on the nature of evidence & not my view that coppers are untrustworthy. Is that evidence too by your logic?

[Nibbles_bits]

zarjaz1991 said:

Nibbles_bits said:

Was anyone arrested?

Does that matter? Or are you ok with coppers threatening to make up allegations? As funnily enough that’s what happened to me many years ago. It’s almost as if it’s fairly common.

In the context of this thread, yes it does matter.

Yes the Officer threatened to make up an allegation........but didn't. No one was tricked into making a false confession or anything else that has been suggested by those that keep spouting "don't talk to the police".

[Bigends]

NRG1976 said:

Nibbles_bits said:

zarjaz1991 said:

Nibbles_bits said:

There has to be some evidence of a crime for it to be a crime.

You won't be interviewed unless there's some suspicion you're involved in a crime.

Unless the copper decides to “make something up”.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-lancashire-5...

‘In the clip, a young man is shown telling the officer: "You're arresting me? What for? I've done nothing wrong."
The officer responds: "I'll lock you up.... We'll make something up… who are they going to believe, me or you?"’

How reassuring.

Was anyone arrested?

Why, if no one was arrested does that make the officers behaviour acceptable?

The officer was suspended, investigated and given a written warning. Lancs Police apologised to the bloke who was stopped

[eldar]

zarjaz1991 said:

Does that matter? Or are you ok with coppers threatening to make up allegations? As funnily enough that’s what happened to me many years ago. It’s almost as if it’s fairly common.

How many years ago?

[XCP]

eldar said:

zarjaz1991 said:

Does that matter? Or are you ok with coppers threatening to make up allegations? As funnily enough that’s what happened to me many years ago. It’s almost as if it’s fairly common.

How many years ago?

Oh god, not this again.
He reported some damage to his car and got stuck on for some con and use offence apparently. Probably when George Dixon was a cadet. It gets mentioned on every thread...

[Nibbles_bits]

XCP said:

eldar said:

zarjaz1991 said:

Does that matter? Or are you ok with coppers threatening to make up allegations? As funnily enough that’s what happened to me many years ago. It’s almost as if it’s fairly common.

How many years ago?

Oh god, not this again.
He reported some damage to his car and got stuck on for some con and use offence apparently. Probably when George Dixon was a cadet. It gets mentioned on every thread...

Only it wasn't a false allegation that ZarJaz had a broken light, because he DID have a broken light.

[r3g]

President Merkin said:

Pretty obvious R3G has a bug up his behind over the use of the word evidence to describe an allegation. Clearly they are not the same thing. An allegation is a factual claim yet to be proven. Evidence is the means by which an allegation is advanced.,

Let's rewind shall we?

Greendubber said:

Evidence of a crime could just be an allegation from someone saying you did something.

I ring Dubber up and say that Merkin has just bum-raped me. Dubber then says "ok sorry to hear that. As you've said he's done it then that's the evidence we need. We'll go arrest him now, charge him and chuck him in the slammer for you".

Does that sound reasonable to you? No of course it fking doesn't . Hence why his stupid post warranted the LOL response. There is no evidence of anything. It's simply one bloke saying another bloke did something which happens thousands of time a day coming from pathetic little sniffling snowflakes who get their ikkle feelings hurt and so go crying to the police with made up BS stories just like Glassman's story here.

Some bloke saying another bloke did something =/= evidence.

[r3g]

Nibbles_bits said:

r3g said:

NRG1976 said:

Nibbles_bits said:

zarjaz1991 said:

Nibbles_bits said:

There has to be some evidence of a crime for it to be a crime.

You won't be interviewed unless there's some suspicion you're involved in a crime.

Unless the copper decides to “make something up”.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-lancashire-5...

‘In the clip, a young man is shown telling the officer: "You're arresting me? What for? I've done nothing wrong."
The officer responds: "I'll lock you up.... We'll make something up… who are they going to believe, me or you?"’

How reassuring.

Was anyone arrested?

Why, if no one was arrested does that make the officers behaviour acceptable?

It's really quite eye-opening to read the posts and responses by the police in this thread. Every time one of them chimes in it just further exposes how corrupt they are and the entire organisation. They see absolutely no issue whatsoever with lying and making up stories to stitch you up and see you do jail time as an innocent person.

Who got stitched up in this case??

The young kid on the receiving end of the bent copper saying he's going to lie and make some st up to do him.

[Greendubber]

r3g said:

President Merkin said:

Pretty obvious R3G has a bug up his behind over the use of the word evidence to describe an allegation. Clearly they are not the same thing. An allegation is a factual claim yet to be proven. Evidence is the means by which an allegation is advanced.,

Let's rewind shall we?

Greendubber said:

Evidence of a crime could just be an allegation from someone saying you did something.

I ring Dubber up and say that Merkin has just bum-raped me. Dubber then says "ok sorry to hear that. As you've said he's done it then that's the evidence we need. We'll go arrest him now, charge him and chuck him in the slammer for you".

Does that sound reasonable to you? No of course it fking doesn't . Hence why his stupid post warranted the LOL response. There is no evidence of anything. It's simply one bloke saying another bloke did something which happens thousands of time a day coming from pathetic little sniffling snowflakes who get their ikkle feelings hurt and so go crying to the police with made up BS stories just like Glassman's story here.

Some bloke saying another bloke did something =/= evidence.

Care to stop ranting and answer the 2 scenarios I asked you earlier please?

[Forester1965]

If someone won't accept a witness statement is evidence, you may as well give up and go home.

[r3g]

Forester1965 said:

If someone won't accept a witness statement is evidence, you may as well give up and go home.

EVIDENCE
definition: 1. facts, documents, etc. that give reason to believe that something is true.

One person saying another person did something is not "facts" nor evidence. It is simply one person saying another person did something. It only becomes evidence when there are (for example) facts or documents to support or prove whatever the allegation is. Until that point, there is no evidence and it is just one person's word vs. another.

Edited by r3g on Wednesday 3rd April 16:11

[Nibbles_bits]

r3g said:

Nibbles_bits said:

r3g said:

NRG1976 said:

Nibbles_bits said:

zarjaz1991 said:

Nibbles_bits said:

There has to be some evidence of a crime for it to be a crime.

You won't be interviewed unless there's some suspicion you're involved in a crime.

Unless the copper decides to “make something up”.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-lancashire-5...

‘In the clip, a young man is shown telling the officer: "You're arresting me? What for? I've done nothing wrong."
The officer responds: "I'll lock you up.... We'll make something up… who are they going to believe, me or you?"’

How reassuring.

Was anyone arrested?

Why, if no one was arrested does that make the officers behaviour acceptable?

It's really quite eye-opening to read the posts and responses by the police in this thread. Every time one of them chimes in it just further exposes how corrupt they are and the entire organisation. They see absolutely no issue whatsoever with lying and making up stories to stitch you up and see you do jail time as an innocent person.

Who got stitched up in this case??

The young kid on the receiving end of the bent copper saying he's going to lie and make some st up to do him.

But nothing happened.

He didn't get arrested, interviewed, charged and chucked in prison.

He had the word "arrested" said to him. Hardly a "stitch up" is it.

[Greendubber]

r3g said:

Forester1965 said:

If someone won't accept a witness statement is evidence, you may as well give up and go home.

EVIDENCE
definition: 1. facts, documents, etc. that give reason to believe that something is true.

One person saying another person did something is not "facts" nor evidence. It is simply one person saying another person did something. It only becomes evidence when there are (for example) facts or documents to support or prove whatever the allegation is. Until that point, there is no evidence and it is just one person's word vs. another.

Edited by r3g on Wednesday 3rd April 16:11

Sigh.... it's still evidence if it's verbal, some people don't wish to put pen to paper but verbal accounts are still used as evidence.

[r3g]

Nibbles_bits said:

r3g said:

Nibbles_bits said:

r3g said:

NRG1976 said:

Nibbles_bits said:

zarjaz1991 said:

Nibbles_bits said:

There has to be some evidence of a crime for it to be a crime.

You won't be interviewed unless there's some suspicion you're involved in a crime.

Unless the copper decides to “make something up”.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-lancashire-5...

‘In the clip, a young man is shown telling the officer: "You're arresting me? What for? I've done nothing wrong."
The officer responds: "I'll lock you up.... We'll make something up… who are they going to believe, me or you?"’

How reassuring.

Was anyone arrested?

Why, if no one was arrested does that make the officers behaviour acceptable?

It's really quite eye-opening to read the posts and responses by the police in this thread. Every time one of them chimes in it just further exposes how corrupt they are and the entire organisation. They see absolutely no issue whatsoever with lying and making up stories to stitch you up and see you do jail time as an innocent person.

Who got stitched up in this case??

The young kid on the receiving end of the bent copper saying he's going to lie and make some st up to do him.

But nothing happened.

He didn't get arrested, interviewed, charged and chucked in prison.

He had the word "arrested" said to him. Hardly a "stitch up" is it.

Oh well that makes it alright then ! Nothing to see here folks, move along now, yes we know we said we were going to lie and stitch him up for a crime he didn't actually commit, but we never actually went through with it, so it's all good !

[Nibbles_bits]

r3g said:

Forester1965 said:

If someone won't accept a witness statement is evidence, you may as well give up and go home.

EVIDENCE
definition: 1. facts, documents, etc. that give reason to believe that something is true.

One person saying another person did something is not "facts" nor evidence. It is simply one person saying another person did something. It only becomes evidence when there are (for example) facts or documents to support or prove whatever the allegation is. Until that point, there is no evidence and it is just one person's word vs. another.

Edited by r3g on Wednesday 3rd April 16:11

Well R3G has just solved half of all crimes.
"Sorry, but a statement isn't evidence. And neither is an interview. Case closed".

[Nibbles_bits]

said:

And how was it dealt with........someone talked to the police