Help with my Late Fathers Static Caravan
Discussion
'No Contract' has been mentioned a few times, the OP posted he has not seen a contract in his Father's paperwork.
I doubt very much there is no contract in place between the site owner and the customers/tenants. All fees and costs should be stated in the contract and terms and conditions.
OP if the owner starts playing games, ask to see the original contract.
I doubt very much there is no contract in place between the site owner and the customers/tenants. All fees and costs should be stated in the contract and terms and conditions.
OP if the owner starts playing games, ask to see the original contract.
Edited by megaphone on Monday 8th April 11:13
megaphone said:
'No Contract' has been mentioned a few times, the OP posted he has not seen a contract in his Father's paperwork.
I doubt very much there is no contract in place between the site owner and the customers/tenants. All fees and costs should be stated in the contract and terms and conditions.
OP if the owner starts playing games, ask to see the original contract.
I have checked with a former tenant and a current tenant, and they didn't / do not have contracts either. I too find this hard to believe, but its fact.I doubt very much there is no contract in place between the site owner and the customers/tenants. All fees and costs should be stated in the contract and terms and conditions.
OP if the owner starts playing games, ask to see the original contract.
I mean, you wouldn't move into a rented house with no contract would you? and be charged whatever rent the landlord wants to charge, but it seems that is what is happening here!
A current tenant (family friend) only has original bill of sale from her caravan. No contract and no list of charges.
James_N said:
I have checked with a former tenant and a current tenant, and they didn't / do not have contracts either. I too find this hard to believe, but its fact.
I mean, you wouldn't move into a rented house with no contract would you? and be charged whatever rent the landlord wants to charge, but it seems that is what is happening here!
A current tenant (family friend) only has original bill of sale from her caravan. No contract and no list of charges.
Are there VAT & company Reg No's etc on that bill he gave you?I mean, you wouldn't move into a rented house with no contract would you? and be charged whatever rent the landlord wants to charge, but it seems that is what is happening here!
A current tenant (family friend) only has original bill of sale from her caravan. No contract and no list of charges.
James_N said:
megaphone said:
'No Contract' has been mentioned a few times, the OP posted he has not seen a contract in his Father's paperwork.
I doubt very much there is no contract in place between the site owner and the customers/tenants. All fees and costs should be stated in the contract and terms and conditions.
OP if the owner starts playing games, ask to see the original contract.
I have checked with a former tenant and a current tenant, and they didn't / do not have contracts either. I too find this hard to believe, but its fact.I doubt very much there is no contract in place between the site owner and the customers/tenants. All fees and costs should be stated in the contract and terms and conditions.
OP if the owner starts playing games, ask to see the original contract.
I mean, you wouldn't move into a rented house with no contract would you? and be charged whatever rent the landlord wants to charge, but it seems that is what is happening here!
A current tenant (family friend) only has original bill of sale from her caravan. No contract and no list of charges.
James_N said:
I have checked with a former tenant and a current tenant, and they didn't / do not have contracts either. I too find this hard to believe, but its fact.
I mean, you wouldn't move into a rented house with no contract would you? and be charged whatever rent the landlord wants to charge, but it seems that is what is happening here!
A current tenant (family friend) only has original bill of sale from her caravan. No contract and no list of charges.
based on a friends experience with the bottom end of the static caravan market, almost every site owner is out to rip you off and none of this surprises me.I mean, you wouldn't move into a rented house with no contract would you? and be charged whatever rent the landlord wants to charge, but it seems that is what is happening here!
A current tenant (family friend) only has original bill of sale from her caravan. No contract and no list of charges.
Van age limits
connection / disconnection charges
transport to and from the gate charges
approved suppliers only
constantly changing rules on what you can and cannot have
changing charging periods
increasing ground rates
change of name / owner admin fees
in the end my friend just handed the keys back. It would cost more to have it disconnected and transported to the gate than it was worth and rates kept going up. Constant issues like your deck is too old, you can either dispose or buy new from our supplier. You can have an outside tap, has to be installed by our supplier at a ridiculous cost and then they changed their mind and capped it off. We've done a fire risk assessment and decided to limit the size of gas bottle you can have and a time limit on making the change (from their approved supplier). She'd had enough and just gave it back as she couldn't sell or sign it over to a family member because it was too old.
As soon as she give it back it was advertised for sale with a year's free ground rent to the next mug.
andburg said:
based on a friends experience with the bottom end of the static caravan market, almost every site owner is out to rip you off and none of this surprises me.
Van age limits
connection / disconnection charges
transport to and from the gate charges
approved suppliers only
constantly changing rules on what you can and cannot have
changing charging periods
increasing ground rates
change of name / owner admin fees
in the end my friend just handed the keys back. It would cost more to have it disconnected and transported to the gate than it was worth and rates kept going up. Constant issues like your deck is too old, you can either dispose or buy new from our supplier. You can have an outside tap, has to be installed by our supplier at a ridiculous cost and then they changed their mind and capped it off. We've done a fire risk assessment and decided to limit the size of gas bottle you can have and a time limit on making the change (from their approved supplier). She'd had enough and just gave it back as she couldn't sell or sign it over to a family member because it was too old.
As soon as she give it back it was advertised for sale with a year's free ground rent to the next mug.
Yep sounds familiar. I never thought of him selling it with the offer of a years free ground rent. I guess this would sweeten the deal, and once signed, getting out of that deal will cost thousands.Van age limits
connection / disconnection charges
transport to and from the gate charges
approved suppliers only
constantly changing rules on what you can and cannot have
changing charging periods
increasing ground rates
change of name / owner admin fees
in the end my friend just handed the keys back. It would cost more to have it disconnected and transported to the gate than it was worth and rates kept going up. Constant issues like your deck is too old, you can either dispose or buy new from our supplier. You can have an outside tap, has to be installed by our supplier at a ridiculous cost and then they changed their mind and capped it off. We've done a fire risk assessment and decided to limit the size of gas bottle you can have and a time limit on making the change (from their approved supplier). She'd had enough and just gave it back as she couldn't sell or sign it over to a family member because it was too old.
As soon as she give it back it was advertised for sale with a year's free ground rent to the next mug.
I am curious about the contract thing. I simply can't imagine everyone on that site (around 40 caravans) not having a contract or a set list of charges, but I've never seen one and never heard my late parents talking about a contract.
Surely he is leaving himself open to more people just walking away without penalty without contracts / fees in place?
Apologies for coming in late to this discussion, but I note a few contributors have said that the caravan belongs to the OP.
I'm not sure it does.
The executors' duties are to realise & distribute the assets of the deceased. Until they (the assets) are handed over, they belong to the executor. So unless the executor (i.e. the OP, acting as executor) has passed the caravan over to the OP (which I don't see he's done), it's not his property. Any claim the farmer wants to make is accordingly on the owner, being the estate. Which has no money to pay any demands the farmer may wish to make.
In short, as said above - just walk away. He's got no claim against the OP or the father's partner.
I'm not sure it does.
The executors' duties are to realise & distribute the assets of the deceased. Until they (the assets) are handed over, they belong to the executor. So unless the executor (i.e. the OP, acting as executor) has passed the caravan over to the OP (which I don't see he's done), it's not his property. Any claim the farmer wants to make is accordingly on the owner, being the estate. Which has no money to pay any demands the farmer may wish to make.
In short, as said above - just walk away. He's got no claim against the OP or the father's partner.
Keypad said:
Apologies for coming in late to this discussion, but I note a few contributors have said that the caravan belongs to the OP.
I'm not sure it does.
The executors' duties are to realise & distribute the assets of the deceased. Until they (the assets) are handed over, they belong to the executor. So unless the executor (i.e. the OP, acting as executor) has passed the caravan over to the OP (which I don't see he's done), it's not his property. Any claim the farmer wants to make is accordingly on the owner, being the estate. Which has no money to pay any demands the farmer may wish to make.
In short, as said above - just walk away. He's got no claim against the OP or the father's partner.
More or less what I have been trying to say all along but not quite so elegantly I'm not sure it does.
The executors' duties are to realise & distribute the assets of the deceased. Until they (the assets) are handed over, they belong to the executor. So unless the executor (i.e. the OP, acting as executor) has passed the caravan over to the OP (which I don't see he's done), it's not his property. Any claim the farmer wants to make is accordingly on the owner, being the estate. Which has no money to pay any demands the farmer may wish to make.
In short, as said above - just walk away. He's got no claim against the OP or the father's partner.
eta in fact if he gave himself the caravan when there are unpaid debts he could be seen as self dealing and that's not a good thing for an Executor to do when other's are owed money from the Estate.
Edited by LimmerickLad on Monday 8th April 14:25
Edited by LimmerickLad on Monday 8th April 14:26
Keypad said:
Apologies for coming in late to this discussion, but I note a few contributors have said that the caravan belongs to the OP.
I'm not sure it does.
The executors' duties are to realise & distribute the assets of the deceased. Until they (the assets) are handed over, they belong to the executor. So unless the executor (i.e. the OP, acting as executor) has passed the caravan over to the OP (which I don't see he's done), it's not his property. Any claim the farmer wants to make is accordingly on the owner, being the estate. Which has no money to pay any demands the farmer may wish to make.
In short, as said above - just walk away. He's got no claim against the OP or the father's partner.
This is what I thought all along, but i'm far from an expert on all of this - first time and hopefully last time of dealing with an estate!I'm not sure it does.
The executors' duties are to realise & distribute the assets of the deceased. Until they (the assets) are handed over, they belong to the executor. So unless the executor (i.e. the OP, acting as executor) has passed the caravan over to the OP (which I don't see he's done), it's not his property. Any claim the farmer wants to make is accordingly on the owner, being the estate. Which has no money to pay any demands the farmer may wish to make.
In short, as said above - just walk away. He's got no claim against the OP or the father's partner.
I'll be sending the letter this week when I know for sure everything is out of there and he's welcome to it!
A mate of mine had a nice static on a nice coastal site for many years until the site decided to do some landscaping and increased the ground rent from £3k to £7k per year.
He decided to quit but couldn’t sell his caravan, it was worth £60k and ended up selling to webuyanycaravan for about £30k.
He decided to quit but couldn’t sell his caravan, it was worth £60k and ended up selling to webuyanycaravan for about £30k.
James_N said:
andburg said:
based on a friends experience with the bottom end of the static caravan market, almost every site owner is out to rip you off and none of this surprises me.
Van age limits
connection / disconnection charges
transport to and from the gate charges
approved suppliers only
constantly changing rules on what you can and cannot have
changing charging periods
increasing ground rates
change of name / owner admin fees
in the end my friend just handed the keys back. It would cost more to have it disconnected and transported to the gate than it was worth and rates kept going up. Constant issues like your deck is too old, you can either dispose or buy new from our supplier. You can have an outside tap, has to be installed by our supplier at a ridiculous cost and then they changed their mind and capped it off. We've done a fire risk assessment and decided to limit the size of gas bottle you can have and a time limit on making the change (from their approved supplier). She'd had enough and just gave it back as she couldn't sell or sign it over to a family member because it was too old.
As soon as she give it back it was advertised for sale with a year's free ground rent to the next mug.
Yep sounds familiar. I never thought of him selling it with the offer of a years free ground rent. I guess this would sweeten the deal, and once signed, getting out of that deal will cost thousands.Van age limits
connection / disconnection charges
transport to and from the gate charges
approved suppliers only
constantly changing rules on what you can and cannot have
changing charging periods
increasing ground rates
change of name / owner admin fees
in the end my friend just handed the keys back. It would cost more to have it disconnected and transported to the gate than it was worth and rates kept going up. Constant issues like your deck is too old, you can either dispose or buy new from our supplier. You can have an outside tap, has to be installed by our supplier at a ridiculous cost and then they changed their mind and capped it off. We've done a fire risk assessment and decided to limit the size of gas bottle you can have and a time limit on making the change (from their approved supplier). She'd had enough and just gave it back as she couldn't sell or sign it over to a family member because it was too old.
As soon as she give it back it was advertised for sale with a year's free ground rent to the next mug.
r3g said:
Everything andburg said above is true. Which is why you've been advised to make your caravan uninhabitable by so many of us - even more so as he and his wife have both proven themselves to be nobs. If you walk away he'll sell that for £15-20k and have someone new in it. Do you want to him the satisfaction after the way he's treated you and your dad's friend?
It's not the OP's caravan "to make uninhabitable" but an asset belonging to his late father's estate.r3g said:
LimmerickLad said:
It's not the OP's caravan "to make uninhabitable" but an asset belonging to his late father's estate.
Splitting hairs. 
Read the full thread.
LimmerickLad said:
I have thanks...Executor intentionally damaging Estate's property when there are creditors............poor advice IMO
You clearly haven't as he's said that the creditors have no interest in the van.Anyway it's moot now as he emptied out over the weekend and has long since left so the thread can be closed.
Edited by r3g on Monday 8th April 18:07
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