Should Parking on Pavement be Illegal?
Discussion
Rough101 said:
Needs banned.
The streets aren’t a place for you to store your property, don’t buy a car if you don’t have a reasonable place to park it, or be prepared to walk a bit further to where you can park it.
Sounds good in theory, but it means that huge swathes of our towns and cities can only be lived in by people who don't need many cars. The retired people will nab all the spaces so anyone who works late won't have anywwhere to park. The streets aren’t a place for you to store your property, don’t buy a car if you don’t have a reasonable place to park it, or be prepared to walk a bit further to where you can park it.
A lot of people are taking the mick, but the people who park on the pavement are not necessarily the worst offenders. Around here, there's a few streets with dire pavement parking issues, the houses all have a drive and a garage, but half the houses have either a campervan, a toy car or a boat on the drive.
You'd need massive regulation of on street parking. I've said this in the past in relation to sorting out on-street EV charging.
It's arguably a change that needs to happen, but it won't be painless and will have huge repercussions.
steveo3002 said:
in a ideal world yes , but only if we can backtrack and ban all the homes built with inadequate parking that force such behaviour
honestly theres simply no where for all the cars to go
Indeed, I live in a small village and, whilst I have plenty of parking on the driveway & garages, many of the houses have nothing, not even a front garden and so need to park on the road. honestly theres simply no where for all the cars to go
Problem being that the road, although not busy, isn't wide enough to park on and allow vehicles (especially tractors) to get by so they all park on the pavement and this is the case in most of the villages nearby, so what do you do?
heebeegeetee said:
Trax said:
Why do people think this solves a problem? Its already illegal to block a pavement. Making it illegal to park on a pavement just makes it also illegal when parking on the pavement and not affecting pedestrians in any way.
Another stupid law for stupid people.
Is blocking pavements not enforced enough? Then campaign for that to be a focus.
It's stupid and utterly selfish people who create the need for rules.Another stupid law for stupid people.
Is blocking pavements not enforced enough? Then campaign for that to be a focus.
In my experience blocking pavements has never been enforced.
YorkshireStu said:
Too many morons filling their garages with old tat and parking on the road causing congestion. Similarly, too many lazy a
holes wanting to park immediately outside their front door when adequate and often designated parking is a short walk away.
The only problem I see is that most modern garages are not built large enough for most modern cars, hence them being used for alternative purposes.holes wanting to park immediately outside their front door when adequate and often designated parking is a short walk away. Trax said:
heebeegeetee said:
Trax said:
Why do people think this solves a problem? Its already illegal to block a pavement. Making it illegal to park on a pavement just makes it also illegal when parking on the pavement and not affecting pedestrians in any way.
Another stupid law for stupid people.
Is blocking pavements not enforced enough? Then campaign for that to be a focus.
It's stupid and utterly selfish people who create the need for rules.Another stupid law for stupid people.
Is blocking pavements not enforced enough? Then campaign for that to be a focus.
In my experience blocking pavements has never been enforced.
Not that anyone on PH would know about this, but the UK has many thousands (millions?) of acres of terraced housing stock, where the streets are not wide enough to park on one or both sides of the road. Householders therefore park on the pavement, but there is (usually) enough footpath left upon which to walk.
These streets are often occupied by the young, who are trying to make their way in life. Many rely upon cars. If they are prevented from parking on footpaths, there will be literally nowhere for them to park because adjacent streets are the same.
Whilst I hesitate to advocate any powers at all being vested in the hands of councils, this could be a case where pavement parking bans are applied only where is is demonstrable essential and "demonstrably essential" needs to be very tightly defined by central government.
Zio Di Roma said:
Not that anyone on PH would know about this, but the UK has many thousands (millions?) of acres of terraced housing stock, where the streets are not wide enough to park on one or both sides of the road. Householders therefore park on the pavement, but there is (usually) enough footpath left upon which to walk.
These streets are often occupied by the young, who are trying to make their way in life. Many rely upon cars. If they are prevented from parking on footpaths, there will be literally nowhere for them to park because adjacent streets are the same.
Whilst I hesitate to advocate any powers at all being vested in the hands of councils, this could be a case where pavement parking bans are applied only where is is demonstrable essential and "demonstrably essential" needs to be very tightly defined by central government.
In those cases where there is no alternative, a bay can be drawn half in the road, half on the pavement. These streets are often occupied by the young, who are trying to make their way in life. Many rely upon cars. If they are prevented from parking on footpaths, there will be literally nowhere for them to park because adjacent streets are the same.
Whilst I hesitate to advocate any powers at all being vested in the hands of councils, this could be a case where pavement parking bans are applied only where is is demonstrable essential and "demonstrably essential" needs to be very tightly defined by central government.
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Zio Di Roma said:
Whilst I hesitate to advocate any powers at all being vested in the hands of councils, this could be a case where pavement parking bans are applied only where is is demonstrable essential and "demonstrably essential" needs to be very tightly defined by central government.
This is a thing;I'd prefer a general prohibition, with exemption by this kind of markings where justifiable. "My need to have a car despite having nowhere appropriate and convenient to park it trumps the requirements for pedestrians to have space" should not be the default situation.
otolith said:
Zio Di Roma said:
Whilst I hesitate to advocate any powers at all being vested in the hands of councils, this could be a case where pavement parking bans are applied only where is is demonstrable essential and "demonstrably essential" needs to be very tightly defined by central government.
This is a thing;I'd prefer a general prohibition, with exemption by this kind of markings where justifiable. "My need to have a car despite having nowhere appropriate and convenient to park it trumps the requirements for pedestrians to have space" should not be the default situation.
Zio Di Roma said:
I give you Dover Street in Maidstone (you're welcome). This is not even THAT narrow a street, but what are we going to do here? Ban 50% of the street from parking? Or ask pedestrians to use the opposite pavement?
I'd say that they should never have allowed that to have parking on both sides of the street in the first place and that feeling entitled to park a car there is pretty self centred. And that the street, particularly when also strewn with wheelie bins, is horrible for disabled people or those with children in buggies. The whole area is an illustration of the problem of car ownership in such areas.
otolith said:
I'd say that they should never have allowed that to have parking on both sides of the street in the first place and that feeling entitled to park a car there is pretty self centred. And that the street, particularly when also strewn with wheelie bins, is horrible for disabled people or those with children in buggies. The whole area is an illustration of the problem of car ownership in such areas.
Are you saying that poor people shouldn't be allowed cars?Zio Di Roma said:
Not that anyone on PH would know about this, but the UK has many thousands (millions?) of acres of terraced housing stock, where the streets are not wide enough to park on one or both sides of the road. Householders therefore park on the pavement, but there is (usually) enough footpath left upon which to walk.
These streets are often occupied by the young, who are trying to make their way in life. Many rely upon cars. If they are prevented from parking on footpaths, there will be literally nowhere for them to park because adjacent streets are the same.
Whilst I hesitate to advocate any powers at all being vested in the hands of councils, this could be a case where pavement parking bans are applied only where is is demonstrable essential and "demonstrably essential" needs to be very tightly defined by central government.
A reasonable argument to this is “Would you buy a dishwasher if you did not have space in your kitchen to put it?These streets are often occupied by the young, who are trying to make their way in life. Many rely upon cars. If they are prevented from parking on footpaths, there will be literally nowhere for them to park because adjacent streets are the same.
Whilst I hesitate to advocate any powers at all being vested in the hands of councils, this could be a case where pavement parking bans are applied only where is is demonstrable essential and "demonstrably essential" needs to be very tightly defined by central government.
The answer, of course, is that “if we had a public transport system worthy of the name, then I would not need to buy a car.”
The reality is that most drivers simply think “FU, I’m all right”.
otolith said:
Zio Di Roma said:
I'd say that they should never have allowed that to have parking on both sides of the street in the first place and that feeling entitled to park a car there is pretty self centred. And that the street, particularly when also strewn with wheelie bins, is horrible for disabled people or those with children in buggies. The whole area is an illustration of the problem of car ownership in such areas.I don't see entitlement in that photo, I see people trying to get on with their lives. I don't think it would be appropriate to ban people from having cars, just because a disabled person would prefer to use the left side of the street.
paradigital said:
grumbledoak said:
Are you saying that poor people shouldn't be allowed cars?
If I were to buy a horse and keep it in the local park, would that be OK? I don’t have a paddock of my own, or a stable.Should poor people not be allowed to own horses?
paradigital said:
grumbledoak said:
Are you saying that poor people shouldn't be allowed cars?
If I were to buy a horse and keep it in the local park, would that be OK? I don’t have a paddock of my own, or a stable.Should poor people not be allowed to own horses?
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