Daftness with bike this afternoon

[Ken_Code]

nikaiyo2 said:

Ahh ok my bad, did not realise that following a police car at 50% above the speed limit was right.

I would 100% agree my bad if the bike was behind me, but he was not, the van and fiat were still in my rear view mirror so was not looking for other road users to come behind the police car.

No-one said it was right, they were commenting on your careless and dangerous driving.

[andrebar]

nikaiyo2 said:

Ahh ok my bad, did not realise that following a police car at 50% above the speed limit was right.

I would 100% agree my bad if the bike was behind me, but he was not, the van and fiat were still in my rear view mirror so was not looking for other road users to come behind the police car.

Failing to check mirrors & blind spot before pulling out again was 100% your bad.

[The Gauge]

nikaiyo2 said:

Ahh ok my bad, did not realise that following a police car at 50% above the speed limit was right.

I would 100% agree my bad if the bike was behind me, but he was not, the van and fiat were still in my rear view mirror so was not looking for other road users to come behind the police car.

Seriously, you need to re-evaluate your own behaviour here. At the point you started chasing after the bike you must have also have been driving above the speed limit and perhaps without due care an attention.

We can all get a bit pissed off with other motorists but it's what you actually do about it that matters.

Why did you chase after the bike? What were you hoping to achieve? Were you wanting to give him a stern talking to with a waved finger, or drag him off his bike and kick his head in? What would you have done had he stopped? Or were you just so angry at him and embarrassed at your own poor driving that you just saw red mist and couldn't control yourself?

Out of the two of you, I'd say your driving was worse than the biker who was speeding and riding close to the back of the police car.

When two poor drivers try to occupy the same piece of tarmac, it usually doesn't end well.

Edited by The Gauge on Wednesday 17th April 21:58

[BertBert]

It's a classic situation where extra vigilance is required. People behind you can pull out before you can as the emergency vehicle has gone past them before you (obviously). So you definitely can't just pull out assuming everyone will be in the same order.

[The Gauge]

BertBert said:

It's a classic situation where extra vigilance is required. People behind you can pull out before you can as the emergency vehicle has gone past them before you (obviously). So you definitely can't just pull out assuming everyone will be in the same order.

That's sometimes the problem, the 'Englishness' in some drivers requires everyone to remain on the order that they were in, yes others pull back put sooner than those in front and take advantage of the now clear road ahead and make better progress.

One of the worst things you can do when having an emergency vehicle on blues 'n' twos behind you, is come to a stop. I don't know why everyone does it.

[JulianHJ]

The Gauge said:

One of the worst things you can do when having an emergency vehicle on blues 'n' twos behind you, is come to a stop. I don't know why everyone does it.

That's very subjective. When I used to drive on blue light runs, it was often easier to navigate around stopped vehicles (provided they weren't in the middle of the carriageway or becoming an unnecessary obstruction). Personally I'll indicate and pull over if I think it makes it safer and easier for all involved.

Incidentally, going back to the OP's mistake - when travelling in convoy on blues, the risks of a collision are heightened due to the fact that inattentive drivers would see the first vehicle pass and not be aware of the second one following. I saw this on a number of occasions (thankfully without incident due to my awareness). It's one of the reasons you might hear vehicles in convoy using different siren types in order to help other road users identify and distinguish the two (or more) responding vehicles.

[Crudeoink]

nikaiyo2 said:

Ahh ok my bad, did not realise that following a police car at 50% above the speed limit was right.

I would 100% agree my bad if the bike was behind me, but he was not, the van and fiat were still in my rear view mirror so was not looking for other road users to come behind the police car.

You should definitely report the incident to the police, because you clearly shouldn't be on the road. First you join the carriageway without looking, then despite not looking you have carefully calculated the bike was going 50% over the limit, after swerving to avoid the bike you then crash your car into the curb before engaging in a chase him putting yourself, the biker and others in danger, but still can't see that you're in the wrong? Clown.

[Sycamore]

You should report it yes.

Yourself that is, for being a cretin.

Mashed potato brain

[Alex@POD]

CoreyDog said:

The rev bomb and knuckle shuffle was probably abit off, if had been me you’d have got a blast of horn and a tap on my mirrors to remind you to check yours.

Bikes filter, one of the biggest bonuses to riding, its your responsibility to do proper checks before pulling into a live lane, you clearly didn’t as you say you didn’t see the bike. It was there to be seen, you didn’t look.

I’d also love to know how you know the bike was doing 50% over the posted limit? Also would like to know that even if they were, does that make pulling out on them acceptable?

If it had been me I wouldn't have been there in the first place. I filter a lot, but all of it is done considering what I expect drivers to do when I'm around them, if someone had pulled over for a police car I would not expect anything other than them pulling back in without looking once the police car has gone past.

I certainly would not be patronising and telling people to look out for me if I put myself in a situation they would not expect!

For the avoidance of doubt: OP is 100% wrong for not checking properly that it was safe to pull out then chasing the bike at illegal speeds.

Edited by Alex@POD on Thursday 18th April 09:18

[Countdown]

nikaiyo2 said:

So going to see my mum this afternoon, pull away from traffic lights police car is 4 or 5 cars back just as the lights turn green he puts his lights and siren on I go through junction and pull over maybe 20 yards past indicate so he can see what I am doing and pull over to let h8m past.

No problem.

A motor bike had followed the police car, un known to me, so when I pulled back into road he was almost alongside so he reved the tits off his bike and went through giving it the beans etc.
He 100% was not behind me at the lights, that was a girl in a fiat 500 behind her was a bloke in a van who looked a bit like a guy I know, I was looking to see if it was the guy I know.

I was a bit shocked so swerved out his way and kerbed a wheel.
So he took off like a dick and I stupidly followed, he tried to get away but struggled, so we were going a bit quick.

I know stupid tt, I should not have risen.

Should I report it? Not looking to get the guy in st or anything just protecting me.

Tbh we can all make mistakes and it's a blow to a person's self-esteem/ego when somebody else points it out. However I'm genuinely curious about what you were trying to achieve by following him?

[Discendo Discimus]

Always makes me laugh when car drivers think it's a good idea to pick a fight with a biker. Not because all bikers are 'ard hells angels who carry chains in their back pockets, but because we wear body armour, a helmet and very often carbon fibre reinforced gloves.

Luckily I've never been in a situation like that, but I doubt anyone could seriously harm me when I'm dressed in clothing designed to protect me during a crash.

[FMOB]

Discendo Discimus said:

Always makes me laugh when car drivers think it's a good idea to pick a fight with a biker. Not because all bikers are 'ard hells angels who carry chains in their back pockets, but because we wear body armour, a helmet and very often carbon fibre reinforced gloves.

Luckily I've never been in a situation like that, but I doubt anyone could seriously harm me when I'm dressed in clothing designed to protect me during a crash.

I suspect a kick in the nuts might get through..

[The Gauge]

FMOB said:

I suspect a kick in the nuts might get through..

And grabbing hold of the front bottom of the helmet if the visor is up, and off balancing them by violently pulling their head forwards and downwards. I can picture Alan Partridge teaching it now

[CoreyDog]

Alex@POD said:

If it had been me I wouldn't have been there in the first place. I filter a lot, but all of it is done considering what I expect drivers to do when I'm around them, if someone had pulled over for a police car I would not expect anything other than them pulling back in without looking once the police car has gone past.

I certainly would not be patronising and telling people to look out for me if I put myself in a situation they would not expect!

For the avoidance of doubt: OP is 100% wrong for not checking properly that it was safe to pull out then chasing the bike at illegal speeds.

Edited by Alex@POD on Thursday 18th April 09:18

Don’t get me wrong, I wouldn’t filter following an emergency vehicle either, purely down to what has happened with the OP, too many drivers don’t look properly, OP being a perfect example.

[Discendo Discimus]

The Gauge said:

FMOB said:

I suspect a kick in the nuts might get through..

And grabbing hold of the front bottom of the helmet if the visor is up, and off balancing them by violently pulling their head forwards and downwards. I can picture Alan Partridge teaching it now

Good point, I once saw a member of staff at a Go Karting centre do that to a customer who was throwing punches. I'll just stick to minding my own business and riding safely.

[8IKERDAVE]

Not sure this went the way you intended it to

Trying to chase a bike down is very silly though, you could have caused a much bigger accident. Assuming the bike wasn't a particularly powerful one as well as the majority of bikes will get away from the majority of cars without issue.

[boyse7en]

The Gauge said:

FMOB said:

I suspect a kick in the nuts might get through..

And grabbing hold of the front bottom

I think Donald Trump advocated that, but it didn't go quite as well as he expected

[Ken_Code]

I thought of this thread as I caught up to a police car in town today. It had its lights and siren on, and was clearly on an emergency call, but traffic being what it is I and a few other bikes ended up behind it.

There were a couple of places where I could have been around it and off while not getting in their way at all, but of course didn’t.

The OP may well have gone across another biker just doing this, catching up a police car and following it at a sensible distance.

[FMOB]

boyse7en said:

The Gauge said:

FMOB said:

I suspect a kick in the nuts might get through..

And grabbing hold of the front bottom

I think Donald Trump advocated that, but it didn't go quite as well as he expected

Comedy, you would have thought an ahole would know what an ahole looks like..

[5s Alive]

JulianHJ said:

That's very subjective. When I used to drive on blue light runs, it was often easier to navigate around stopped vehicles (provided they weren't in the middle of the carriageway or becoming an unnecessary obstruction). Personally I'll indicate and pull over if I think it makes it safer and easier for all involved.

Incidentally, going back to the OP's mistake - when travelling in convoy on blues, the risks of a collision are heightened due to the fact that inattentive drivers would see the first vehicle pass and not be aware of the second one following. I saw this on a number of occasions (thankfully without incident due to my awareness). It's one of the reasons you might hear vehicles in convoy using different siren types in order to help other road users identify and distinguish the two (or more) responding vehicles.

It depends on the circumstances and layout. Usually, slowing and pulling over is enough but there was nearly a bump recently, when I had to stop before entering a pinch point to permit a white BMW estate on blues to pass.

Thinking that was it, the Volvo behind pulled out to pass me and nearly collected the unmarked black BMW that followed through. The lights on that one were behind the grill and not easy see past the cars behind.

Volvo man may have thought he was just another knob and thought 'not on my watch'. The officers in the car were clearly unamused having nearly been punted into a parked car on the opposite side of the road.