Letter from DVLA - someone applying for V5C for a car i own
Discussion
JackJarvis said:
sim16v said:
They said they will ask for proof that the person on the application has the car, and if they do, they will issue the V5C
That makes no sense at all. By that logic you could apply for the V5C on a leased car, company car, works van etcAs 'registered keeper' of a SORNed vehicle aren't you responsible for knowing where it is and that nobody is driving it?
markjmd said:
Do the DVLA not have any responsibility at all to check that a person claiming to be the keeper of a vehicle has acquired it by legitimate means?
I doubt it - from their perspective, the V5 says in large capitals across the front - This document is not proof of ownership.Whilst I appreciate that the vast majority of people do take it as proof - it's just someone else volunteering to tax and insure the vehicle.....
I guess the DVLA don't want to be in the game of validating every sale.
Car bon said:
markjmd said:
Do the DVLA not have any responsibility at all to check that a person claiming to be the keeper of a vehicle has acquired it by legitimate means?
I doubt it - from their perspective, the V5 says in large capitals across the front - This document is not proof of ownership.Whilst I appreciate that the vast majority of people do take it as proof - it's just someone else volunteering to tax and insure the vehicle.....
I guess the DVLA don't want to be in the game of validating every sale.
What is your proof? An A4 scrawled receipt from the seller you bought from 5 years ago? If that is permissible, what is to stop the new 'keeper' from knocking up similar in Word that 'proves' their ownership?
RSTurboPaul said:
I don't quite understand how one proves ownership if all the centrally-held 'official' documentation states the keeper is someone else.
What is your proof? An A4 scrawled receipt from the seller you bought from 5 years ago? If that is permissible, what is to stop the new 'keeper' from knocking up similar in Word that 'proves' their ownership?
I've always wondered that too. Being able to demonstrate an interest in the car such as finance documents or a receipt perhaps. Or just having possession of the keys...What is your proof? An A4 scrawled receipt from the seller you bought from 5 years ago? If that is permissible, what is to stop the new 'keeper' from knocking up similar in Word that 'proves' their ownership?
Surprised nobody has yet asked the OP if he is up to date with his storage payments.
If he answers that he hasn't paid for storage for six months, hasn't corresponded with them, and has ignored the debt, then we have our true answer.
Obviously, if this isn't the case, then as you were.....
If he answers that he hasn't paid for storage for six months, hasn't corresponded with them, and has ignored the debt, then we have our true answer.
Obviously, if this isn't the case, then as you were.....
sim16v said:
I received a letter earlier this week from the DVLA telling me that they have received an application to record someone else as the registered keeper of one of my cars.
This car is in storage, so I phoned the DVLA to state that I was still the owner and keeper of the car.
They said if the car was not at my property, they were quite prepared to issue the V5C to the person who'd applied for the V5C, as they are the keeper.
I said they aren't responsible for registering and taxing the vehicle, so please do not issue a V5C.
They said they will ask for proof that the person on the application has the car, and if they do, they will issue the V5C
I have been unable to get in touch with anyone storing it and have been unable to get access to see my car.
Is there any way I can stop the DVLA doing this?
It screams to me that the car will be stolen and moved on, with the V5 being with it.
And...... he has gone.....This car is in storage, so I phoned the DVLA to state that I was still the owner and keeper of the car.
They said if the car was not at my property, they were quite prepared to issue the V5C to the person who'd applied for the V5C, as they are the keeper.
I said they aren't responsible for registering and taxing the vehicle, so please do not issue a V5C.
They said they will ask for proof that the person on the application has the car, and if they do, they will issue the V5C
I have been unable to get in touch with anyone storing it and have been unable to get access to see my car.
Is there any way I can stop the DVLA doing this?
It screams to me that the car will be stolen and moved on, with the V5 being with it.
LuckyThirteen said:
Surprised nobody has yet asked the OP if he is up to date with his storage payments.
If he answers that he hasn't paid for storage for six months, hasn't corresponded with them, and has ignored the debt, then we have our true answer.
Obviously, if this isn't the case, then as you were.....
Assuming no contractual right to assume ownership exists, there's a process the person wanting to 'own' the car would have to go through to be entitled to sell it and, even then they'd owe the proceeds (less reasonable expenses) to the OP (see Torts (Interference with Goods) Act 1977).If he answers that he hasn't paid for storage for six months, hasn't corresponded with them, and has ignored the debt, then we have our true answer.
Obviously, if this isn't the case, then as you were.....
If they simply sell the car and keep the proceeds there may be a threat of theft and/or a civil claim in conversion.
In any case I'd imagine it's preferable for the OP to get possession of the vehicle before any of these things arises.
LuckyThirteen said:
Surprised nobody has yet asked the OP if he is up to date with his storage payments.
If he answers that he hasn't paid for storage for six months, hasn't corresponded with them, and has ignored the debt, then we have our true answer.
Obviously, if this isn't the case, then as you were.....
Not overtly but that what I was getting at with my question yesterday morning.If he answers that he hasn't paid for storage for six months, hasn't corresponded with them, and has ignored the debt, then we have our true answer.
Obviously, if this isn't the case, then as you were.....
GasEngineer said:
Where is the car stored OP? What are the arrangements?
Stiil awaiting a reply from OP...
I was the beneficiary of such a move.
My BiL owns a garage. A customer came in to get some work done on their car, paid for it and never picked the car up, using up valuable space in an already restricted yard.
It sat there for a year despite repeated attempts to contact them (phone kept going direct to answerphone)
Eventually he applied for the V5 and sold the car to me. From memory it was an old Peugeot only worth a few hundred quid and I ran it into the ground.
Probably highly illegal and broke several laws but it could well have been sitting there to this day.
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