DR10 40 years ago - impact on Daughter's Police Application?
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Bigends said:
the tribester said:
40 years ago, I don't think Drink Drive was a recordable offence or crimed. Certainly no fingerprints or photographs taken.
Would the conviction have instigated a PNC record?
Wasn't notifiable so no crime report, the disqual drive resulting from the conviction may be on PNC though. Any conviction will be long spent now thoughWould the conviction have instigated a PNC record?
98elise said:
SpidersWeb said:
agtlaw said:
Typical PH idiot to “double down” on the wrong answer. All arising from his nonsense post about asking permission!
Got out of bed the wrong side this morning?agtlaw said:
SpidersWeb said:
agtlaw said:
Public record does not mean readily available to anyone on some central database accessed via Google. It means public record.
But the record isn't available to the public if the database isn't accessible by the public!agtlaw said:
Drink driving is a criminal offence which leads to a criminal conviction and a public record will be available.
It isn’t a “minor road traffic offence.”
As before, how do you find out if an individual has ever had a criminal conviction if it is a 'public record'.It isn’t a “minor road traffic offence.”
Already answered this.
To argue that something that is not available to the public is a 'public record' is rather a stretch.
Agtlaw knows his stuff.
Caddyshack said:
98elise said:
SpidersWeb said:
agtlaw said:
Typical PH idiot to “double down” on the wrong answer. All arising from his nonsense post about asking permission!
Got out of bed the wrong side this morning?agtlaw said:
SpidersWeb said:
agtlaw said:
Public record does not mean readily available to anyone on some central database accessed via Google. It means public record.
But the record isn't available to the public if the database isn't accessible by the public!agtlaw said:
Drink driving is a criminal offence which leads to a criminal conviction and a public record will be available.
It isn’t a “minor road traffic offence.”
As before, how do you find out if an individual has ever had a criminal conviction if it is a 'public record'.It isn’t a “minor road traffic offence.”
Already answered this.
To argue that something that is not available to the public is a 'public record' is rather a stretch.
Agtlaw knows his stuff.
To join the police you only need CTC (counter terrorist check, which is a bit higher than the lowest level of baseline personnel security standard). You can only declare what you know. So if the OP’s daughter doesn’t know, she doesn’t know.
That said, if she doesn’t declare something she does know, she’ll fail the application/vetting as it’s an integrity issue.
Have a look at the UKSV pages on the .gov website, it’s all explained.
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/united-...
That said, if she doesn’t declare something she does know, she’ll fail the application/vetting as it’s an integrity issue.
Have a look at the UKSV pages on the .gov website, it’s all explained.
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/united-...
paintman said:
What is a 'public record'?
https://cdn.nationalarchives.gov.uk/documents/what...
"4.1 Public Records are defined in section 10 (1) of the Public Records Act, 1958, and the First
Schedule of that Act. ‘Records’ in general are defined as carriers of information in any format
(e.g. paper, photographic, film, sound, electronic, three dimensional models) (section 10(1)).
‘Public Records’ are specifically defined in the First Schedule; these definitions are
summarised overleaf.
In very general terms, as a broad rule of thumb, if the creator of a record was a central
government department, agency or body, or predecessor to a modern department of state,
funded from central Treasury funds granted through a parliamentary vote, then its records are
likely to be public records falling within the definition and scope of the 1958 Act. It is advisable
to study the provenance and administrative history of a record (where known) to ascertain if it
is a public record."
Indeed.https://cdn.nationalarchives.gov.uk/documents/what...
"4.1 Public Records are defined in section 10 (1) of the Public Records Act, 1958, and the First
Schedule of that Act. ‘Records’ in general are defined as carriers of information in any format
(e.g. paper, photographic, film, sound, electronic, three dimensional models) (section 10(1)).
‘Public Records’ are specifically defined in the First Schedule; these definitions are
summarised overleaf.
In very general terms, as a broad rule of thumb, if the creator of a record was a central
government department, agency or body, or predecessor to a modern department of state,
funded from central Treasury funds granted through a parliamentary vote, then its records are
likely to be public records falling within the definition and scope of the 1958 Act. It is advisable
to study the provenance and administrative history of a record (where known) to ascertain if it
is a public record."
A 'public record' is defined as any record created by a public body, i.e. the State.
Stuff can be subject to the Official Secrets Act and yet be a 'Public Record'.
It's not the same as a published record or public knowledge etc.
It doesn't mean a record 'made public' or available to the public.
Greendubber said:
Tolerance levels of being told you're wrong by someone who doesn't know what they're talking about when you're correct are naturally going to drop. It's hardly a suprise some of the replies get a bit short.
Can a police officer disclose a conviction he has found on the PNC to anyone simply because it is a public record?Zeeky said:
Greendubber said:
Tolerance levels of being told you're wrong by someone who doesn't know what they're talking about when you're correct are naturally going to drop. It's hardly a suprise some of the replies get a bit short.
Can a police officer disclose a conviction he has found on the PNC to anyone simply because it is a public record?Gassing Station | Speed, Plod & the Law | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff