Letter from the police
Discussion
I would suggest driving at 45mph in a NSL limit makes you equally guilty of driving without due care and attention, because you obviously didn't notice the speed limit change, or had no awareness that the speed limit was 60mph. If you're not comfortable driving at 60mph, then you should notice other drivers queueing up behind you and let them pass.
Whilst you might argue that 60mph is the maximum speed and 45mph is below that and is therefore legal, if you were to drive at 45mph on your test in a 60mph limit, you would fail for not making progress. You get a fail, because it causes other drivers to be slowed down and to take an overtaking chance that maybe weren't there.
The OP obviously waited until there was a clear area, used the space to execute the manoeuvre and is now the one whose being told off for it. I have to say, I always thought hatched area's were no-mans-land but could be used with the broken line with obvious due care....
Shame you don't have dashcam footage of the other car driving at a stupidly slow speed.
Whilst you might argue that 60mph is the maximum speed and 45mph is below that and is therefore legal, if you were to drive at 45mph on your test in a 60mph limit, you would fail for not making progress. You get a fail, because it causes other drivers to be slowed down and to take an overtaking chance that maybe weren't there.
The OP obviously waited until there was a clear area, used the space to execute the manoeuvre and is now the one whose being told off for it. I have to say, I always thought hatched area's were no-mans-land but could be used with the broken line with obvious due care....
Shame you don't have dashcam footage of the other car driving at a stupidly slow speed.
Nibbles_bits said:
Is it necessary to overtake a vehicle travelling below the speed limit??
The necessity is nothing to do with the decision of whether to overtake (given it's never necessary to overtake - you can just bimble along behind them at whatever speed they do). The necessity is about how to complete the overtake once the decision to overtake has been made.Chris
super7 said:
I would suggest driving at 45mph in a NSL limit makes you equally guilty of driving without due care and attention, because you obviously didn't notice the speed limit change, or had no awareness that the speed limit was 60mph. If you're not comfortable driving at 60mph, then you should notice other drivers queueing up behind you and let them pass.
Whilst you might argue that 60mph is the maximum speed and 45mph is below that and is therefore legal, if you were to drive at 45mph on your test in a 60mph limit, you would fail for not making progress. You get a fail, because it causes other drivers to be slowed down and to take an overtaking chance that maybe weren't there.
The OP obviously waited until there was a clear area, used the space to execute the manoeuvre and is now the one whose being told off for it. I have to say, I always thought hatched area's were no-mans-land but could be used with the broken line with obvious due care....
Shame you don't have dashcam footage of the other car driving at a stupidly slow speed.
Stupidly slow speed of 45mph in a 60 limit today. Breaking the law tomorrow when that 60 limit is reduced to 40.Whilst you might argue that 60mph is the maximum speed and 45mph is below that and is therefore legal, if you were to drive at 45mph on your test in a 60mph limit, you would fail for not making progress. You get a fail, because it causes other drivers to be slowed down and to take an overtaking chance that maybe weren't there.
The OP obviously waited until there was a clear area, used the space to execute the manoeuvre and is now the one whose being told off for it. I have to say, I always thought hatched area's were no-mans-land but could be used with the broken line with obvious due care....
Shame you don't have dashcam footage of the other car driving at a stupidly slow speed.
I feel we will have to become accustomed to driving at very slow speeds in future. Writing is on the wall.
I'd argue the 'why' complain is to make it a massive pain in the arse and cost money for this ridiculous nonsense. If everyone challenges it all, as hard as possible, maybe the police will stop wasting our time and theirs with these stupid passive aggressive controlling BS letters.
I also didn't know that the police can't prosecute for speeding from a dashcam evidence.........I thought they had done that via these retards that stick their exploits on LoserBook and w
kergram?
I also didn't know that the police can't prosecute for speeding from a dashcam evidence.........I thought they had done that via these retards that stick their exploits on LoserBook and w
kergram?Edited by The Selfish Gene on Tuesday 30th April 10:39
Edited by The Selfish Gene on Tuesday 30th April 10:39
Fermit said:
It's rather sad, that in todays world many see an overtake as dangerous/illegal/likely to kill babies. I came across such a plum yesterday. Him driving a Mini One, 30ish in an NSL. There is a section of said road where you come over a brow, and have about 200 metres of road clearly sighted. When this came in to view I dropped town to third and sailed passed him. A few minutes later he was behind me at a red light. He'd turned claret coloured, and was clapping his hands like a seal that had just popped an E. The lights turned green and I gestured him goodbye with a raised middle digit. I did note he had a dash cam, so half expecting a nkock at the door. I too have dashcam, so if it happens I can show anyone it, who will conclude it was totally legal and safe.
Your 'victim' is likely a sad old tool who can't drive for toffee, needing his ego propping up by 'doing his bit' by complaining to the Police.
He was probably clapping you because despite all your best efforts, you ended up 3 metres in front of him at the next set of lights.Your 'victim' is likely a sad old tool who can't drive for toffee, needing his ego propping up by 'doing his bit' by complaining to the Police.
"Congratulations, you saved 1.5 seconds off your journey time!" kind of thing.
The raised middle digit - really?
oyster said:
He was probably clapping you because despite all your best efforts, you ended up 3 metres in front of him at the next set of lights.
"Congratulations, you saved 1.5 seconds off your journey time!" kind of thing.
The raised middle digit - really?
Yes, exactly, 'look how far you got', well, I got in front of him, as there was no safe overtaking spot then until the M1. And yes, really. He was a tool, he deserved to be told to 'do one'"Congratulations, you saved 1.5 seconds off your journey time!" kind of thing.
The raised middle digit - really?
Fermit said:
It's rather sad, that in todays world many see an overtake as dangerous/illegal/likely to kill babies. I came across such a plum yesterday. Him driving a Mini One, 30ish in an NSL. There is a section of said road where you come over a brow, and have about 200 metres of road clearly sighted. When this came in to view I dropped town to third and sailed passed him. A few minutes later he was behind me at a red light. He'd turned claret coloured, and was clapping his hands like a seal that had just popped an E. The lights turned green and I gestured him goodbye with a raised middle digit. I did note he had a dash cam, so half expecting a nkock at the door. I too have dashcam, so if it happens I can show anyone it, who will conclude it was totally legal and safe.
Your 'victim' is likely a sad old tool who can't drive for toffee, needing his ego propping up by 'doing his bit' by complaining to the Police.
3rd?Your 'victim' is likely a sad old tool who can't drive for toffee, needing his ego propping up by 'doing his bit' by complaining to the Police.
To accelerate from 30?
The Selfish Gene said:
I'd argue the 'why' complain is to make it a massive pain in the arse and cost money for this ridiculous nonsense. If everyone challenges it all, as hard as possible, maybe the police will stop wasting our time and theirs with these stupid passive aggressive controlling BS letters.
I also didn't know that the police can't prosecute for speeding from a dashcam evidence.........I thought they had done that via these retards that stick their exploits on LoserBook and wkergram?
Not while the Daily Wail et al get clicks from dashcam footage uploaded to social media and MPs get headlines by demanding "something most be done" all while driving home pissed from the club. That said, done of the dashcam warriors are whiter than white so play them at their own game and send your own footage in. I also didn't know that the police can't prosecute for speeding from a dashcam evidence.........I thought they had done that via these retards that stick their exploits on LoserBook and w
kergram?Edited by The Selfish Gene on Tuesday 30th April 10:39
Fermit said:
Yep, it was a low enough gear with 306bhp. Second would be screaming it's nuts off, and wasting time on the 'wrong' side of the road due to an imminent up change.
Screaming in 2nd? That's about 3000 rpm in my Mini One - screaming is when you get up to the redline at 60 in the same gear. 2nd is the gear to overtake in at 30 in that car.At 40 2nd is still viable for extra initial acceleration, but 3rd becomes a better choice to avoid changing gear mid manoeuvre.
My understanding of the 335i is that with a 2.4x3.08=7.392 gear ratio in 2nd, vs 1.792*3.71=6.65 in the Mini, the gearing is slightly shorter, but it's a 10% difference. So where I'd be at 3000 rpm at 30 mph, you'd be at 3300. But the 335i has a substantially higher redline at 7000 rather than 6000.
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