Norfolk thieves to star on TV
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Choice quote from the scammers is: "Bryan Edwards from the Norfolk Casualty Reduction Partnership said: "All we're asking drivers to do is to take the odd one or two miles per hour off their speed.
"That will reduce the 12 people killed or seriously injured on the region's roads every day."
Show me the stats my friend, show me the stats...
Choice quote from the scammers is: "Bryan Edwards from the Norfolk Casualty Reduction Partnership said: "All we're asking drivers to do is to take the odd one or two miles per hour off their speed.
"That will reduce the 12 people killed or seriously injured on the region's roads every day."
Show me the stats my friend, show me the stats...
I think this must be exemplary as probably the most moronic statement which has no benefit or common sense behind it, let alone fact to come from the spin and propoganda merchants.
To think that whatever speed you are going, if you are able to reduce your speed by the thickness of a speedometer needle, you are actively saving lives?
If anything, if you are physically able to watch the speedo enough to keep your speed reduced by one of two miles per hour, you can certainly assume that you are not giving the road, and possible acciedents your full attention.
The only affect 1-2mph would have an affect to your driving is that you would spend 5% longer on the road each year and thus be 5% more likely to be involved with the *97% of accidents which have nothing to do with breaking the speed limit*.
However; being able to spend money on surveys, employ statisticians to prove that in some occasions at some places speed has been reduced by 2mph, is priceless. In the eyes of the partnerships it would seem to self-justify their own existance!
To think that whatever speed you are going, if you are able to reduce your speed by the thickness of a speedometer needle, you are actively saving lives?
If anything, if you are physically able to watch the speedo enough to keep your speed reduced by one of two miles per hour, you can certainly assume that you are not giving the road, and possible acciedents your full attention.
The only affect 1-2mph would have an affect to your driving is that you would spend 5% longer on the road each year and thus be 5% more likely to be involved with the *97% of accidents which have nothing to do with breaking the speed limit*.
However; being able to spend money on surveys, employ statisticians to prove that in some occasions at some places speed has been reduced by 2mph, is priceless. In the eyes of the partnerships it would seem to self-justify their own existance!
danohagan said:Don’t go there.
[url]http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/4282018.stm[/url]
Choice quote from the scammers is: "Bryan Edwards from the Norfolk Casualty Reduction Partnership said: "All we're asking drivers to do is to take the odd one or two miles per hour off their speed.
"That will reduce the 12 people killed or seriously injured on the region's roads every day."
Show me the stats my friend, show me the stats...
The cameraships manipulate the stats in any way that they can to try and make themselves look better then they are.
The key factor here is that their speed/accident correlation is based from data at speed camera sites; this subtle point is rarely mentioned. Two issues become important here:
1) Regression to the Mean
2) Bias on Selection.
The former is a known statistical effect where random blips are incorrectly interpreted as reliable fact. The latter is for when other safety measures are installed at or near camera sites, but these other measures are not mentioned in any reports or given any credit for KSI reduction.
Especially in Norfolk. I've spent a fair chunk of the last thirty years there.
People are being killed in the same places they were 30 years ago, and at the same time of year (there's a flood of deaths in North Norfolk every summer).
Even the few places that have been improved have been improved as part of trunk road works by Central Govt.
People are being killed in the same places they were 30 years ago, and at the same time of year (there's a flood of deaths in North Norfolk every summer).
Even the few places that have been improved have been improved as part of trunk road works by Central Govt.
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