Farewell sweet clean license
Discussion
Unfortunately had to succumb to the inevitble this evening.
Stopped by very polite and helpful trafpol on way home tonight for my first ever offence, speeding after i passed through a speed trap rather too briskly.
Still support more trafpol on the road and their words were at least reassuring. However as it is likely that i will soon have 6 points on my license i cannot help but feel at this stage that my days of driving on the public road are over.
Reason for this, both officers stated that i was driving safely and this is why they gave me a bit of a break, yet i will be fined and endorsed. On the way home i was for the first time in a while concious of my measured speed and my driving suffered. i witnessed the carnage of an horrific accident on the opposite carriage way on the M8 and realised that if i am being punished for driving safely whilst this is happening, what is the point?
think i will sell the car when the fine is due and maybe look into getting a track day only machine.
a genuine thankyou to the trafpol officers ( it could have been a much bigger problem) and hello the world of an uncomfortable passenger.
Stopped by very polite and helpful trafpol on way home tonight for my first ever offence, speeding after i passed through a speed trap rather too briskly.
Still support more trafpol on the road and their words were at least reassuring. However as it is likely that i will soon have 6 points on my license i cannot help but feel at this stage that my days of driving on the public road are over.
Reason for this, both officers stated that i was driving safely and this is why they gave me a bit of a break, yet i will be fined and endorsed. On the way home i was for the first time in a while concious of my measured speed and my driving suffered. i witnessed the carnage of an horrific accident on the opposite carriage way on the M8 and realised that if i am being punished for driving safely whilst this is happening, what is the point?
think i will sell the car when the fine is due and maybe look into getting a track day only machine.
a genuine thankyou to the trafpol officers ( it could have been a much bigger problem) and hello the world of an uncomfortable passenger.
catso said:
Bloody hell mate, give up easily don't you?
just the realisation that my approach to driving is incompatible with the modern political climate. the guys that pulled me said the same thing.
if i get stopped again for the same thing in the next few years it will be a license loss. If the trafpol guys hadn't been so decent i could have lost it tonight. they also warned me that the prosecuter may push for a dangerous driving charge because of current policy, despite the officers assertion that i was not driving dangerously.
i don't think i want to drive in a country where politics dictate road policy.
KB_S1 said:
Unfortunately had to succumb to the inevitble this evening.
Stopped by very polite and helpful trafpol on way home tonight for my first ever offence, speeding after i passed through a speed trap rather too briskly.
Still support more trafpol on the road and their words were at least reassuring. However as it is likely that i will soon have 6 points on my license i cannot help but feel at this stage that my days of driving on the public road are over.
Calm down mate.... more likely three points per catso ..
since you say
KB_S1 said:
Reason for this, both officers stated that i was driving safely and this is why they gave me a bit of a break, yet i will be fined and endorsed. On the way home i was for the first time in a while concious of my measured speed and my driving suffered. i witnessed the carnage of an horrific accident on the opposite carriage way on the M8 and realised that if i am being punished for driving safely whilst this is happening, what is the point?
think i will sell the car when the fine is due and maybe look into getting a track day only machine.
a genuine thankyou to the trafpol officers ( it could have been a much bigger problem) and hello the world of an uncomfortable passenger.
Perhaps you suffering the shock of being stopped and seeing a nasty on t'other side of carriageway.
I think most would agree .. we keep being told how the cameras "save lives" but not why the figure stays static. Given the number of fixed cams and mobiles they should be a lot lower.
Perhaps as we keep arguing .. too much focus on one issue and none on the real issues which actually control our speed
KB_S1 said:
Bloody hell mate, give up easily don't you?
just the realisation that my approach to driving is incompatible with the modern political climate. the guys that pulled me said the same thing.
if i get stopped again for the same thing in the next few years it will be a license loss. If the trafpol guys hadn't been so decent i could have lost it tonight. they also warned me that the prosecuter may push for a dangerous driving charge because of current policy, despite the officers assertion that i was not driving dangerously.
i don't think i want to drive in a country where politics dictate road policy.
They would have to prove the dangerous charge and I gather this is all to do with how far the driving standard feel below the standard expected of the averagely competent.
Depends how fast you were pushing it too.... double the limit? :scratcchin:
But in any case .. these officers will be the ones providing th evidence.. the CPS will decide if there is a case. But then again.. when the CPS decid to charge a 10 year old for playground round of name calling which should have been dealt with by a stern headteacher - and liaison with all parents - and inlicenced is to be cautioned along with burglars .. er .. one wonders... if you are right about remaining - let alone driving - in this country... e
unlikely to be 3 im afraid.
they did say if i was in that range it would have been ignored.
No excuses but on the spot they got me it is very easy to get up to very high speed without realising, i was surpised when they told me the number.
they also pointed out the speed they had to sustain to catch me. it was BIG!
the guys were supeb though, they did all the speel, asked a couple of Q? and then issued the producer.
Asked what height i was, that caught me out.
Also pointed out that as i was actually driving safely they ignored another number they noticed, but per the speed trap it was non negotiable.
will think more tomorrow, but i see this as an opportunity to get into amatuer motorsport. all that can go wrong there is i kill myself but with a clean license
they did say if i was in that range it would have been ignored.
No excuses but on the spot they got me it is very easy to get up to very high speed without realising, i was surpised when they told me the number.
they also pointed out the speed they had to sustain to catch me. it was BIG!
the guys were supeb though, they did all the speel, asked a couple of Q? and then issued the producer.
Asked what height i was, that caught me out.
Also pointed out that as i was actually driving safely they ignored another number they noticed, but per the speed trap it was non negotiable.
will think more tomorrow, but i see this as an opportunity to get into amatuer motorsport. all that can go wrong there is i kill myself but with a clean license
Hollywood Wheels said:
KB, tell us a bit more about what the circumstances were.....you make it sound really bad.....if it was just a case of speeding let us know the speed. Why are you talking of 'Dangerous Driving'? That's a serious offence. You're amongst friends here so please expand....
not sure if i can?
officer did suggest that proc' fiscal may issue DD although they did not see it that way.
can i stick numbers up?
feck it, 86 on an NSL, only vehicle within 1 mile, loads of space on road. slowed down when approached a van about a minute later was actually adjusting my position due to a bit of spray kicking up of th van when i notice a car approaching REALLY QUICKLY from about 300m away. so pulled left again and increaesed gap to about 5s. then blue lights came on so i naively thought they were on a call, eased off and moved as far left as possible, and even flashed H'lights as i didn't think the van had noticed. about 5s later realised they had eased up and mibbee they were indicating left.
so i continued with left indicator on for another 200-300yds easing off looking for a good spot to pull over. spotted a minor lane pulled right in and stuck wheels towards the left.
At no stage did either officer suggest i was driving dangerously, just that due to current policy it may come through.
Hollywood Wheels said:
Ahh, they were in a vehicle. That makes things a bit clearer. Do you not know how to spot unmarked BiB?! It's not difficult. Well, hopefully it'll just be three points and a lesson learnt. If you're going to hoon USE THOSE MIRRORS!!
HW
the bit i am genuinly feeling bad about!!
fully marked up 5 series.
they said they were in a layby with a set speed trap, i don't know if they were obscured but i did not see them untill they were on the move.
i am worried that i did not see them, every time i drive something will make me think, "i could have done that better" or "i should have spotted that earlier"
this has got me thinking, but the officers words did reassure me.
unfortunately i do drive at relatively high speed, but i do not drive fast if you understand. I never push on because i am in a hurry or because i need to show off.
Unlucky mate. 86mph doesn't seem unreasonable but maybe they were looking for 84+ that day, that's just the way these things go. You mention 'spray', so if raining they probably dropped the threshold a bit. Not the end of the world, heres hoping it's just three points....
Can i just say thank you for not going into a whinging rant about BiB and why they aren't out catching 'real' criminals etc, the usual fare on here. You're a gentleman, a rare thing nowadays, and i wish you luck...
HW
Can i just say thank you for not going into a whinging rant about BiB and why they aren't out catching 'real' criminals etc, the usual fare on here. You're a gentleman, a rare thing nowadays, and i wish you luck...
HW
Hollywood Wheels said:
Unlucky mate. 86mph doesn't seem unreasonable but maybe they were looking for 84+ that day, that's just the way these things go. You mention 'spray', so if raining they probably dropped the threshold a bit. Not the end of the world, heres hoping it's just three points....
Can i just say thank you for not going into a whinging rant about BiB and why they aren't out catching 'real' criminals etc, the usual fare on here. You're a gentleman, a rare thing nowadays, and i wish you luck...
HW
i will still stick my neck out to call for more trafpol!
discussion from me will end soon, to top off a crappy month i just realised that i have left my laptop power supply in the studio.
Earl, where is my KARMA!
Hollywood Wheels said:It does sound unlucky but as mentioned, the conditions...
Unlucky mate. 86mph doesn't seem unreasonable but maybe they were looking for 84+ that day, that's just the way these things go. You mention 'spray', so if raining they probably dropped the threshold a bit. Not the end of the world, heres hoping it's just three points....
Can i just say thank you for not going into a whinging rant about BiB and why they aren't out catching 'real' criminals etc, the usual fare on here. You're a gentleman, a rare thing nowadays, and i wish you luck...
HW
If all BiB encounters were the same as this one sounded, it would be next to impossible to justify any complaints of any kind. I'd also say that even so, most of the ranting on here is really directed at policy, not front line BiB. You mentioned in another post re. us MoPs about being among friends, and although I can't speak for anyone else for sure it would seem a racing certainty that this cuts both ways.
turbobloke said:
I'd also say that even so, most of the ranting on here is really directed at policy, not front line BiB. You mentioned in another post re. us MoPs about being among friends, and although I can't speak for anyone else for sure it would seem a racing certainty that this cuts both ways.
'Tis true. I'm the first to admit that there's plenty of prats in this job who do us good guys no favours at all. And for every 'I'm sorry Officer, i'll keep my eyes open and slow down a bit' motorist theres the 'Haven't you got anything better to do.....' merchant.KB_S1 said:
Ahh, they were in a vehicle. That makes things a bit clearer. Do you not know how to spot unmarked BiB?! It's not difficult. Well, hopefully it'll just be three points and a lesson learnt. If you're going to hoon USE THOSE MIRRORS!!
HW
the bit i am genuinly feeling bad about!!
fully marked up 5 series.
they said they were in a layby with a set speed trap, i don't know if they were obscured but i did not see them untill they were on the move.
i am worried that i did not see them, every time i drive something will make me think, "i could have done that better" or "i should have spotted that earlier"
this has got me thinking, but the officers words did reassure me.
unfortunately i do drive at relatively high speed, but i do not drive fast if you understand. I never push on because i am in a hurry or because i need to show off.
Hard luck KB, that's a cruel one.
You sound like a clued-up observant driver, so I'm sure you would have seen the fully marked plod car had it been simply parked in a lay-by. Perhaps they were in an entrance to a field or something? If that's the case it could have been any one of us caught, including HW
Was it a local road, ever seen plod there before?
Anyway, I hope it's no more than 3 points for you, and don't give up, we don't wanna lose all the sensible drivers to policy!
ing skills!! So basically, you were doing well over the speed limit regardless of how safe you were going, you broke the law.
Take your punishment, walk tall, and chill a bit. we all will get caught eventually, it doesnt make you a bad person.
Worst you'll get is £2-300 fine, and 6 points or a short term ban 30 days ish ( unless you were dong 150 past a school or nuesery, in which case, your never gonna drive again.)
Take your punishment, walk tall, and chill a bit. we all will get caught eventually, it doesnt make you a bad person.
Worst you'll get is £2-300 fine, and 6 points or a short term ban 30 days ish ( unless you were dong 150 past a school or nuesery, in which case, your never gonna drive again.)
Deeps, that last comment rings so true.
it has been playing on my mind recently that i see some awful driving every day, inclding 30mis before i was pulled a blind overtake that caused me to brake to half speed, and i was following! yet so often the divers that actually consider safety are being punished.
I am no driving authority, i often disagree with others re: correct practice (see the give way thread inGG) but i do honestly attempt to drive actively and not in blind faith.
HW, cheers mate, making me feel a bit better.
interestingly i stuck a photo up in the roads section showing a spot about 3 miles from where iwas pulled proclaimng it to be my favourite shred of tarmac in the world. amongst my plus points were lack of scams. if they ha spotted me ther i would have probably been doing around 45-50 due to the neg' camber, car park entrance and gravely debris possiblility on following corner.
hey ho tho.
battery defo dying, be tuesday before i can post agian.
K
it has been playing on my mind recently that i see some awful driving every day, inclding 30mis before i was pulled a blind overtake that caused me to brake to half speed, and i was following! yet so often the divers that actually consider safety are being punished.
I am no driving authority, i often disagree with others re: correct practice (see the give way thread inGG) but i do honestly attempt to drive actively and not in blind faith.
HW, cheers mate, making me feel a bit better.
interestingly i stuck a photo up in the roads section showing a spot about 3 miles from where iwas pulled proclaimng it to be my favourite shred of tarmac in the world. amongst my plus points were lack of scams. if they ha spotted me ther i would have probably been doing around 45-50 due to the neg' camber, car park entrance and gravely debris possiblility on following corner.
hey ho tho.
battery defo dying, be tuesday before i can post agian.
K
Don't give up driving - that's precisely what the current political masters want to happen. Get back out there and carry on annoying them in the chauffeur driven bomb-proof Jags!
Please don't give in so easily
As for Dangerous Driving - if that gets brought up in court you have 2 police witnesses who have stated to you that it was not DD. Shouldn't be too difficult to defeat in court...?
Please don't give in so easily
As for Dangerous Driving - if that gets brought up in court you have 2 police witnesses who have stated to you that it was not DD. Shouldn't be too difficult to defeat in court...?
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