Military Police

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timbob

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2,110 posts

253 months

Thursday 27th April 2006
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Over the last few months, since moving to the Andover/Marlborough area, I've come across quite a few military police cars on the roads. On dual carriageways, you get the traffic bunching up to pass at 70.01mph as per usual with a police car, then seeing it says "military" police everyone shoots off again.

Can you be pulled over and done for anything by a military policeman?

shuvitupya

3,219 posts

218 months

Thursday 27th April 2006
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timbob said:
Over the last few months, since moving to the Andover/Marlborough area, I've come across quite a few military police cars on the roads. On dual carriageways, you get the traffic bunching up to pass at 70.01mph as per usual with a police car, then seeing it says "military" police everyone shoots off again.

Can you be pulled over and done for anything by a military policeman?


Yes you can be stopped and fined on M.O.D owned land, which includes some public areas.

At least that was the case some years ago, as a girl in my office got done for speeding near Aldershot.

80bob

101 posts

251 months

Thursday 27th April 2006
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No, not in the UK unless you are service personnel (at least that's the way it used to be). The MOD plod generally deal with policing issues on MOD land IIRC. Besides the RMP (along with the rest of the army) are too busy having to fight Mr Bliars wars for him to worry about stopping anyone for speeding. They deal with policing the army and providing operational support in war. Civilians are in no danger of a ticket!

gopher

5,160 posts

260 months

Thursday 27th April 2006
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80bob said:
No, not in the UK unless you are service personnel (at least that's the way it used to be). The MOD plod generally deal with policing issues on MOD land IIRC. Besides the RMP (along with the rest of the army) are too busy having to fight Mr Bliars wars for him to worry about stopping anyone for speeding. They deal with policing the army and providing operational support in war. Civilians are in no danger of a ticket!


I was "escorted" to the guardrom as a civilian some years back (Scaly brat) for pinching the orderly Sgts Bike! Well he did kick us out of the Mally leaving his bike outside, what did he expect???????

Told the MP that I found the bike outside the Wraf block and I was returning it to the guardroom, and by pure coincidence it seems that was a likely excuse and I was let go!

Buffalo

5,435 posts

255 months

Friday 28th April 2006
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Spent some time with military police in northumberland a few years ago (forget the RAF base name now) and they told me how they were often called up by the local BiB to come and sort out the town centre fracas on fri/sat nights.

One guy aparently was causing a helluva stink, with about 6 regular police sitting on teh guy trying to stop him from going nuts - couldn't contain him basically. Called the MPs who came down, the guy immediately calmed down, walked nicely to the waiting van and was pleasant and polite the whole way to the station. Asked by the MP accompanying him why he was being so nice, the guy shot him a nervous look and said "er, well you have a gun on your belt..."

CivPilot

6,235 posts

241 months

Friday 28th April 2006
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Back in the old days I used to frequent a pub that used to always be the first stop off for the erm.. younger soldier. A couple of times these lads had a few to many shandies and would have a bit of a rucus between themselves and get kicked out.

On evening it kicked off big time and a few of these lads started on some regulars, the landlady was on the phone to the BIB right away, it really was kicking off wild west stylee, chairs flying the lot. We managed to get a few people outside the pub when 1 police car pulled in the car park. Just one. We were just about to start laughing at this (whole pub self destructing and they send 1 car!!) when 3 or 4 MP landies screamed into the car park.
Now by this time the fight was so strong these MP's actually had to wade in a pull people out, and boy were they effective the fight was over completely about a minute after they turned up.

Never forget standing in the car park watching these new recruits getting a full on drill sargent stylee shouting at while they waited for a full size army lorry to take them back to the barracks. The MP's even thought it was funny that we were all watching and laughing, they used this to really rub the squadies nose in it.

xxplod

2,269 posts

245 months

Friday 28th April 2006
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I've worked in Aldershot with the RMP and they are very good with the public order stuff. They're not armed when out and about, but they can influence a drunken sqauddie's life in ways we can't. It always made me smile when I worked at Aldershot as a custody Sergeant. Deepcut recruits would get nicked, but as soon as they see stripes on an epaulette they're as good as gold!

CivPilot

6,235 posts

241 months

Friday 28th April 2006
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xxplod said:
I've worked in Aldershot with the RMP and they are very good with the public order stuff. They're not armed when out and about, but they can influence a drunken sqauddie's life in ways we can't. It always made me smile when I worked at Aldershot as a custody Sergeant. Deepcut recruits would get nicked, but as soon as they see stripes on an epaulette they're as good as gold!


yup... Amazing how all these drunken lads were able to stand to attention and sober up in a split second whilst the RMP gave them a dressing down in front of the rest of the pubs (laughing) clientel. They couldnt get in the truck quick enough once it turned up.

We had a few of the RMP's come down the pub a few weeks later to talk to the manager about the event and they were top guys too. Amazing little foot note too. If the normal everyday BIB came in the pub at any time people would watch them and the less savoury would make sniggering comments... RMP's came in and even the civilians behaved.

Won't tell the story of how me and some makes once got stopped in the middle of Aldershot late at night on the way back from Ice hockey pratice with our sticks in the boot (in thier rifle looking carry bags)..... Scary as that was

Toast King

838 posts

258 months

Friday 28th April 2006
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Why not?
Sounds like a good story!

Mrs Fish

30,018 posts

259 months

Friday 28th April 2006
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James here:

The reason MPs work is that there is a discipline structure with clear cut punishments and rewards thus they are respected. The current civilian system has bog all punishments and is thus not respected.

streaky

19,311 posts

250 months

Saturday 29th April 2006
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Some (apparently public) roads around Aldershot are owned by the MOD, so can be policed by the RMP. The presence of Red Caps armed with pick-axe handles usually had a significant quieting effect on any bundle, even those that were drink-fuelled - Streaky

eccles

13,744 posts

223 months

Saturday 29th April 2006
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ultimately if you are nicked in any of the services, they could lock you up and even kick you out, so the cosequences are potentially quite severe.
the other word that strikes fear in just about every serviceman is 'colchester'.... with its legendary regime of pleasantness!

Dwight VanDriver

6,583 posts

245 months

Sunday 30th April 2006
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Read this thread with interest as I have been on both sides, not a redcap but a 'snowdrop' - RAF Police (P). The (p) denoting (Provost) that I had power of arrest over all service non commissioned officers. Higher, Officers class being also Gentlemen were dealt with by their peers if a collar had to be felt.

My jurisdiction on camp anybody I found and off camp on Town Patrol any service personnel and vehicles being used by the Military.

I also held a signed Warrant by Commissioner of Police Singapore that gave me authority to ask for the identity of anybody and during the annual riots in 1950's in Singapore when we assisted the civilian Police to enforce an imposed night curfew at 4am one morn stopped a Chineseman and lodged him in the cells of a nearby Police Station which was as crammed as a japanese peak hour train.

On demob became a true BiB and much to the annoyance of old colleages at reunions remind them that it was the civilian police that did real policing. Service personnel are first vetted and if found not suitable then not accepted. Accepted - then initial brainwashing training takes place and discipline and acceptance of orders without question drilled into them and perpetuated during service life. Their counterparts outside are not so programmed which is why an order to 'Stand to Attention' has an effect on a serviceman but not a chav and others of his ilk who kick off after smelling the vapours of a Barmaids apron.

Pity in many ways they did away with National Service....

Dvd

silverback mike

11,290 posts

254 months

Monday 1st May 2006
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It's that ilk again dvd, is it back.

turbobloke

104,098 posts

261 months

Monday 1st May 2006
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Dwight VanDriver said:
Read this thread with interest as I have been on both sides, not a redcap but a 'snowdrop' - RAF Police (P). The (p) denoting (Provost) that I had power of arrest over all service non commissioned officers. Higher, Officers class being also Gentlemen were dealt with by their peers if a collar had to be felt.
Dvd
I'm sure you have all the class needed to feel any collar DvD, but with a Court Martial likely from the most trivial of matters I wouldn't think there was much call for it from commissioned types, no real scandals in my diaries anyway.
Unless you know different...in which case get an agreement with Ted for the syndication rights
TB (ex Flight Luey)

bluesandtwos

357 posts

261 months

Monday 1st May 2006
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Dont confuse the MODP&GA with the RMP/RAFP though...

Dwight VanDriver

6,583 posts

245 months

Monday 1st May 2006
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Uummmmmm TB.....do recall one night when the OC of 31PD had to be called out to escort a certain Gentleman to his quarters.....

Tiger Beer had a strange effect on some....

dvd

turbobloke

104,098 posts

261 months

Monday 1st May 2006
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bluesandtwos said:
Dont confuse the MODP&GA with the RMP/RAFP though...
Aye. Ever been on a range with modplod?!
Dwight VanDriver said:
Uummmmmm TB.....do recall one night when the OC of 31PD had to be called out to escort a certain Gentleman to his quarters.....

Tiger Beer had a strange effect on some....
dvd
Hmmm! I reckon NCOs have a better time of it, more scope for real News Of The World stuff.

xxplod

2,269 posts

245 months

Monday 1st May 2006
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I've worked with the RAF Police from Odiham a bit as well. They are a different breed to the RMP. A little more relaxed in the way they go about things but very professional. It was always far more unusual to get RAF personnel nicked by the civilian Police and the RAFPol seemed less geared up to deal with it. What they'd do if an RAF Officer was lifted I dread to think.

mojocvh

16,837 posts

263 months

Monday 1st May 2006
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turbobloke said:
bluesandtwos said:
Dont confuse the MODP&GA with the RMP/RAFP though...
Aye. Ever been on a range with modplod?!


you better watch out that new 4.8 HP7 is a nasty piece of kit!!

MoJo.