RE: Cameras to watch the cameras?
Discussion
Ironically, it would seem that both the Gatsos on the A217 between the M25 and Sutton had been replaced about 1 month ago. Strangely they spent a great deal of money (and caused a great deal of disruption) erecting armco on the central reservation around them.
Of course I'm assuming the justification for the armco was for road safety - I don't know whether or not the posts the Gatsos are mounted meet the same design requirements regards frangibility as other road furniture like signposts and street lighting. However, I would wager it is really there to protect the cameras from being 'taken out'.
MAD appear to have been very active in this area over the last 2 or 3 years - I can recall seeing that virtually every camera on the A217 from Reigate to Sutton has been vandalised at some point, as well as one on Epsom Downs and another on the road from the A25 up to the Tadworth roundabout.
Of course I'm assuming the justification for the armco was for road safety - I don't know whether or not the posts the Gatsos are mounted meet the same design requirements regards frangibility as other road furniture like signposts and street lighting. However, I would wager it is really there to protect the cameras from being 'taken out'.
MAD appear to have been very active in this area over the last 2 or 3 years - I can recall seeing that virtually every camera on the A217 from Reigate to Sutton has been vandalised at some point, as well as one on Epsom Downs and another on the road from the A25 up to the Tadworth roundabout.
...they truly are idiots.Yex said:
dhampton said:
Ahh the sight of a burnt out gatso! Gives me that warm fuzzy feeling!
Yep, seen two so far in Essex. One on old A13 in Grays and one on road between Brentwood and Ongar - both made me smile
Yex
the one down ongar road hasnt worked in months as when the council fix it somebody sets fire to it straight away. Cant think why though...
Duncan Knox, head of the Surrey Safety Camera Partnership, said: "Damaging a speed camera in this way is putting people's lives at risk. Speeds on that road could increase which could lead to more casualties. It is also the public's money being wasted when these cameras are destroyed."
Speeds on the road *could* increase which *could* lead to more casualties..... That old chestnut again!!!
It would be ironic if there were no casualties whatsoever....
And what about all this public money being wasted... I thought the scameraships were supposedly self financing!?
One for Paul at SafeSpeed I think?
Speeds on the road *could* increase which *could* lead to more casualties..... That old chestnut again!!!
It would be ironic if there were no casualties whatsoever....
And what about all this public money being wasted... I thought the scameraships were supposedly self financing!?
One for Paul at SafeSpeed I think?
justinp1 said:
Duncan Knox, head of the Surrey Safety Camera Partnership, said: "Damaging a speed camera in this way is putting people's lives at risk.
Does anyone believe this nonsense any more? Hey Duncan, come up to S Cambs, they keep pulling them down here and guess what, it's made cock all difference
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I don't see it as such.
More like public service, cleansing and land reclamation. The British motorist has put up with all this rubbish for far to long.
I can't believe that there aren't a few Albanians here that wouldn't mind supplementing their income and doing their bit for their newly adopted community.
I also wish someone with a digger would start removing all the bloody speed bumps too.
David
I don't see it as such.
More like public service, cleansing and land reclamation. The British motorist has put up with all this rubbish for far to long.
I can't believe that there aren't a few Albanians here that wouldn't mind supplementing their income and doing their bit for their newly adopted community.
I also wish someone with a digger would start removing all the bloody speed bumps too.
David
apache said:
justinp1 said:
Duncan Knox, head of the Surrey Safety Camera Partnership, said: "Damaging a speed camera in this way is putting people's lives at risk.
Does anyone believe this nonsense any more? Hey Duncan, come up to S Cambs, they keep pulling them down here and guess what, it's made cock all difference
Feel free to email or phone him with suggestions as to why he's talking out of his ass.
duncan.knox@surreycc.gov.uk
01483 466822
(in the public domain).
Seems funny to me sitting here some 3+ odd years since joining PH, and seeing how peoples perceptions of the scameras has changed out of all recognition from what it once was.
Initially, my views on them were treated by a lot of contributors with derision and lots of tut tutting when suggestions were made that destruction was the best method to deal with them.
Now we have so many views all aligned with my once quoted as "extreme" view.
Its quite satisfying to think that common sense has filtered down and the outrage that is the scamera system is finally being hit back upon, possibly by those who formerly wouldnt have espoused such "extreme" views.
Funny old world.
I applaud these arsonists, hip hip, hooray!
A camera outside a school is one thing but the rest of them are revenue raisers, plain and simple. How come people don't attack the little box next to the camera's? I thought that was the recommended way to do them in. Mind you a good visible burning does send out a clear message
Boosted.
A camera outside a school is one thing but the rest of them are revenue raisers, plain and simple. How come people don't attack the little box next to the camera's? I thought that was the recommended way to do them in. Mind you a good visible burning does send out a clear message
Boosted.
ubergreg said:
julianhj said:
The thing is, if they keep getting torched then we'll get lumbered with more mobile scamera units. At least with a fixed Gatso you have the knowledge it's there, and can therefore slow down for it.
Fair point. All right then; instead, why don't we just burn the taliva...
Mayhaps I shouldn't finish that last bit.
Someone tried that to Kent Scameraship.
www.kentandmedwaysafetycameras.org.uk/downloads/KM_Op_Case2005_06.pdf
7.3. Costs due to vandalism this year have been much the same as last year.
One of our mobile vehicles was destroyed in an arson attack but it was due for
replacement anyway and as our vehicles are leased this arson attack has in fact
not cost the partnership anything except for the replacement of the van’s
contents, some of which have been covered by insurance.
rodney59 said:
scamerati said:
One of our mobile vehicles was destroyed in an arson attack but it was due for replacement anyway and as our vehicles are leased this arson attack has in fact not cost the partnership anything except for the replacement of the van’s contents, some of which have been covered by insurance.
So if they keep getting burnt, before too long the leasing company won't want their business any more and nor will the insurance company...
When you want to catch a speeder, you put up a speed camera, when you want to catch a speed camera vandaliser, you put up a speed camera vandaliser camera, when you want to catch a speed camera vandaliser camera vandaliser, you put up a speed camera vandaliser camera vandaliser camara, when you want to catch ......... Oh for goodness sake!!
mybrainhurts said:
Pigeon said:
blah
Can't you train your pals to crap on the lenses, pidge?
Trouble with that is that discharging one's load in flight is not the pigeon way of doing it. It's much more natural to perch on a high object and crap off the edge of it, then turn round and peer over the edge to watch where it lands. Since the lenses are under an overhang, this method only works under conditions of severe gale force winds blowing in precisely the right direction. I think we need to be looking more at the seagull family - ordinary gulls for fixed installations, and bonxies for human-operated ones.
Jasper Gilder said:
When you want to catch a speeder, you put up a speed camera, when you want to catch a speed camera vandaliser, you put up a speed camera vandaliser camera, when you want to catch a speed camera vandaliser camera vandaliser, you put up a speed camera vandaliser camera vandaliser camara, when you want to catch ......... Oh for goodness sake!!
And if you want to catch a
burgler you do nothing other wait for him/her to sell the stolen goods to someone who will turn them in. This is becuase its not a good use of Police Revenue to actively investigate with little evidence. (Or thats what I've been told by D&C Police on several occasions). Although you can catch the vigilante (
) in Norfolk for calling 999 for an ambulance for shooting an intruder. But not the Intruder, he can walk (or wheelchair) free.Pigeon said:
mybrainhurts said:
Pigeon said:
blah
Can't you train your pals to crap on the lenses, pidge?
Trouble with that is that discharging one's load in flight is not the pigeon way of doing it. It's much more natural to perch on a high object and crap off the edge of it, then turn round and peer over the edge to watch where it lands. Since the lenses are under an overhang, this method only works under conditions of severe gale force winds blowing in precisely the right direction. I think we need to be looking more at the seagull family - ordinary gulls for fixed installations, and bonxies for human-operated ones.
Oi, oi, oi....
The pigeons near me are accomplished dive bombers, and pretty handy in horizontal flight, too.
They can get the tailgate, roof and bonnet in one bloody pass...
How do you think the cluster bomb was conceived...?
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