So they do work then!
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No technical problems with having your own personal coded garage door opener, and it's being sold as just that http://www.navtel.co.uk/product.php?xProd=29 
t by saying he didn't know it had been fitted 
he would have more cred if he just held his hands up and said "it's a fair cop" instead of trying to lie through his back teethvonhosen said:
Hedders said:
vonhosen said:
It would appear that civilian operators can give primary evidence of speeding.
Is there a test you have to pass to prove you have the gift of built in radar or is it a mystical power that is bestowed on anyone that works for an scamming outfit?Just replying to the primary view of the officer who suspects you of speeding - is that actually true? Driving on the M4, my laser detector told me I was being targeted, however I was not driving over the limit hence I was not concerned. I got the impression that every single person was hit on the off chance of getting someone who was going over the speed limit.
So the first "opinion" is not really there I think, hence the impression you get that it is just a revenue raising excersise, i.e. spray laser everyone and you will hit something rather then just targeting the obvious ones
So the first "opinion" is not really there I think, hence the impression you get that it is just a revenue raising excersise, i.e. spray laser everyone and you will hit something rather then just targeting the obvious ones
Big Fat F'r said:
It's not these groups that surprise me, it's the ones that allow themselves to be taken in.
I think it's more to do with the fact that people that do purposely wrongly register their cars and/or use cloned number plates get away with it with impunity. It's probably more attractive to some people than you'd think given the tiny chance of being caught out....I don't know why I'm even bothering to post...I'm so fed up of the attitude in the UK and this post like everything else will change absolutely nothing.
Still, after reading so much bullsh*t spoken by the cops / pretend cops or whatever they are I feel a more real-world true to life post is called for...
I was recently stopped by 2 x traffic cops for a slightly (yes slightly) under sized number plate on my bike. I have been stopped a few times in 15 years or so of driving and have never given any cheek or tried to provoke the police as I am intelligent enough to realise that will make matters worse.
I have not encountered the police for a number of years and I know that reasonable judgement / common sense no longer plays any part.
I swear they started writing the ticket before they even spoke to me?!?! Then I said 'I bet you hate writing that as much as I hate receiving it' and got the very abrupt 'WHY?'. I said 'well it's only a small number plate you can't enjoy writing that ticket'. I was told very clearly 'Yes I do enjoy it.'
The cop was lucky that I do abide real laws (rather than mickey mouse let's make money ones) and that I didn't smack him one.
I can only hope his attitude does land him in that kind of trouble.
"Traffic cops are scum" - at least that's what many real cops think ;-)
BTW - the Police dealing with rape, murder etc have ALL my support.
Still, after reading so much bullsh*t spoken by the cops / pretend cops or whatever they are I feel a more real-world true to life post is called for...
I was recently stopped by 2 x traffic cops for a slightly (yes slightly) under sized number plate on my bike. I have been stopped a few times in 15 years or so of driving and have never given any cheek or tried to provoke the police as I am intelligent enough to realise that will make matters worse.
I have not encountered the police for a number of years and I know that reasonable judgement / common sense no longer plays any part.
I swear they started writing the ticket before they even spoke to me?!?! Then I said 'I bet you hate writing that as much as I hate receiving it' and got the very abrupt 'WHY?'. I said 'well it's only a small number plate you can't enjoy writing that ticket'. I was told very clearly 'Yes I do enjoy it.'
The cop was lucky that I do abide real laws (rather than mickey mouse let's make money ones) and that I didn't smack him one.
I can only hope his attitude does land him in that kind of trouble.
"Traffic cops are scum" - at least that's what many real cops think ;-)
BTW - the Police dealing with rape, murder etc have ALL my support.
To control a Population you must make the majority conform, understood by Monarchs and Dictators down the Centuries.
The rich, whether already so, or those you help to make rich, will not be controlled for they can bring down those in power.
The minority who constantly won't conform can be dealt with, either harshly in some systems or benignly in others. It matters not to the overall scheme.
That developing conformity could be expensive in terms of manpower, until now.
Modern technology provides a relatively cheap means to the utopian vision of all who would control us.
So, start by using it to monitor examples of behaviour generally accepted as bad.
CCTV to monitor retail outlets, buildings, prisons, seurity fo such as military establishments.
Then the trickle down, some schools use it in classrooms, observing "problem" parents, monitoring of workers, bus lanes, speed limits, streets in "problem" areas.
Couple that with more laws relating to "encouraging good behaviour", start with generally minority activities, hunting with dogs, smoking etc.
Notice how alcohol consumption is now in the limelight.
Then, once these are accepted, introduce the technology into more areas. 1984 is not so off track now.
The Police?
Like so many in the Public Sector, whatever their personal views, they accept the "targets" from the centre. Of course, making many dependent on the State for their livelihoods reduces the numbers of those likely to resist.
That is how our "Democracy" is constructed.
The next major manifestation is, of course, ID cards.
I would hazard a guess that once those are meekly accepted, universal in house CCTV will be the next "it's for your own good".
Afterall, "If you've nothing to hide".
Remember, it's the majority who have to be cowered into acceptance.
The rich, whether already so, or those you help to make rich, will not be controlled for they can bring down those in power.
The minority who constantly won't conform can be dealt with, either harshly in some systems or benignly in others. It matters not to the overall scheme.
That developing conformity could be expensive in terms of manpower, until now.
Modern technology provides a relatively cheap means to the utopian vision of all who would control us.
So, start by using it to monitor examples of behaviour generally accepted as bad.
CCTV to monitor retail outlets, buildings, prisons, seurity fo such as military establishments.
Then the trickle down, some schools use it in classrooms, observing "problem" parents, monitoring of workers, bus lanes, speed limits, streets in "problem" areas.
Couple that with more laws relating to "encouraging good behaviour", start with generally minority activities, hunting with dogs, smoking etc.
Notice how alcohol consumption is now in the limelight.
Then, once these are accepted, introduce the technology into more areas. 1984 is not so off track now.
The Police?
Like so many in the Public Sector, whatever their personal views, they accept the "targets" from the centre. Of course, making many dependent on the State for their livelihoods reduces the numbers of those likely to resist.
That is how our "Democracy" is constructed.
The next major manifestation is, of course, ID cards.
I would hazard a guess that once those are meekly accepted, universal in house CCTV will be the next "it's for your own good".
Afterall, "If you've nothing to hide".
Remember, it's the majority who have to be cowered into acceptance.
The problem is that Britain has become a highly regulated country. More and more actions now lead to criminal or other "charges" e.g council monitoring of road junctions / bus lanes etc, littering, draconian parking enforcement and unfortunately the Police are seen as part of that regime even if it has nothing to do with them. Most motorists fall foul of Camera Partnerships not the Police but to the motorist there is no difference ( and in fact there is no difference as without the Police sponsorship the Partnership could not operate).
There have also been high profile cases where Police action has appeared to be petty and innapropriate e.g. the woman prosecuted for eating an apple even though driving safely. Together with the perception that Policemen will use any ruse they can to avoid prosecution when they are caught this all leads to a loss of confidence in them.
I would call myself a law abiding middle class person and in the past I would and have actively assisted the Police. Now I am not sure and do everything to avoid coming into contact with them. This is unfair as in a recent event the service I received from the Police was very good - but somehow I just don't trust them.
In a recent case a prisoner in custody in Poole Police Station died whilst in the cells. The Police and civilian detention officers were shown in the subsequent investigation to have lied and falsified custody records. If they will do that they are quite capable of falsyfying a speed gun reading or a VASCAR test.
There have also been high profile cases where Police action has appeared to be petty and innapropriate e.g. the woman prosecuted for eating an apple even though driving safely. Together with the perception that Policemen will use any ruse they can to avoid prosecution when they are caught this all leads to a loss of confidence in them.
I would call myself a law abiding middle class person and in the past I would and have actively assisted the Police. Now I am not sure and do everything to avoid coming into contact with them. This is unfair as in a recent event the service I received from the Police was very good - but somehow I just don't trust them.
In a recent case a prisoner in custody in Poole Police Station died whilst in the cells. The Police and civilian detention officers were shown in the subsequent investigation to have lied and falsified custody records. If they will do that they are quite capable of falsyfying a speed gun reading or a VASCAR test.
Interesting indeed that the evidence of the LTI's has NOT been tested properly in court, partially yes. The CPS have blocked & been difficult on every single case I'm aware of. Hence these have not YET been proven sufficiently unreliable in a court to set a precedent.
Is it possible to bring the matter to court on its own initiative? Ie just to prove they are accurate or not? I'm no legal man but it would be nice to know.
Could one not be using such a device to block the use of the device for "gathering false evidence against oneself". I'm assuming somewhere in the depths of the law there is protection for this scenario??? Would make an interesting case surely though would'nt want to try it!
Having used/owned several of the devices & been involved in several TV type programs about these devices I sure will never trust the evidence of one especially if its a handheld LTI & especially the piece of crap called the Ultralyte!!!. Prolaser's are much more stable in the readings however.
Is it possible to bring the matter to court on its own initiative? Ie just to prove they are accurate or not? I'm no legal man but it would be nice to know.
Could one not be using such a device to block the use of the device for "gathering false evidence against oneself". I'm assuming somewhere in the depths of the law there is protection for this scenario??? Would make an interesting case surely though would'nt want to try it!
Having used/owned several of the devices & been involved in several TV type programs about these devices I sure will never trust the evidence of one especially if its a handheld LTI & especially the piece of crap called the Ultralyte!!!. Prolaser's are much more stable in the readings however.
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