Overtaking courtesy
Discussion
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I don't think we are both talking about the same thing. For moving traffic, (like is most common when a 3 lane goes to two), the late merge in turn works well. In fact it is a classic example of the "keep them moving" arguement for avoiding jams and queues I mentioned earlier.
What I am talking about on the other hand is when traffic is stationary because (maybe) 3 lanes is merged to one, and the speed of the traffic is low through that one lane. Under these circumstances the queue jumpers actions effectively slow the whole flow down by acting as an interrupter to the smooth flow at the head of the queue.
This is exactly the type of situation the new version of the highway code refers to - and says that you should fill all available lanes up to the obstruction, then merge in turn.
I generally follow this rule, unless a good gap appears a bit sooner, but don't "charge" down the outside, just at a slight speed differential so as to be able to adapt to someone making a gap. However, occasional I end up with the "rear bumper mounted Vectra", who is pissed off as he cannot tank down the free lane until the last minute & cut in.
So what's the definition of a queue?
How about when the BMW lane is full and travelling at 70mph but the other two lanes are relatively empty? (ie most of the time on the M6). If it looks like a queue, and it behaves like a queue, then it jolly well is a queue! Do you think this will work as a defence for overtaking on the inside?
Phil
How about when the BMW lane is full and travelling at 70mph but the other two lanes are relatively empty? (ie most of the time on the M6). If it looks like a queue, and it behaves like a queue, then it jolly well is a queue! Do you think this will work as a defence for overtaking on the inside?
Phil
The bit of highway code smeagol is refering to says somethig along the lines of the rule on not undertaking does not count when the road is 'congested'. Congestion is defined as 'when all the lanes are travelling at a similar speed'....
judgeing by this countries lane discipline that could be anytime!
judgeing by this countries lane discipline that could be anytime!
I undertake in heavy, slow moving traffic. Effectively traffic 'queues', even if not stationary.
With regard to middle lane hogging f***wits, I once heard a fascinating maxim:
"If there's room for you to undertake, there was room for him to move over'
The solution is simple... instead of 'tiredness can kill take a break' signs (soon to be sponsored by kitkat I'd guess), you'd have motorway signs every five or ten miles that read:
'Keep left unless overtaking'
This would remind all the middle lane hoggers to move over unless overtaking something. At a reasonable cost to the govt... after all, what is cheaper to ease congestion... building another lane or getting rid of the pillock blocking one of the existing ones?
I am a firm believer that these middle lane gits cause a huge amount of unnecessary congestion on british roads, as they effectively reduce road capacity by a third. Let alone the knock on effects of people slowing down for them, only one car passing them at a time etc.
However, improved signage would be preferable to the alternative of legalising undertaking (something they already have in the States).
Whatcha reckon?
Domster
With regard to middle lane hogging f***wits, I once heard a fascinating maxim:
"If there's room for you to undertake, there was room for him to move over'
The solution is simple... instead of 'tiredness can kill take a break' signs (soon to be sponsored by kitkat I'd guess), you'd have motorway signs every five or ten miles that read:
'Keep left unless overtaking'
This would remind all the middle lane hoggers to move over unless overtaking something. At a reasonable cost to the govt... after all, what is cheaper to ease congestion... building another lane or getting rid of the pillock blocking one of the existing ones?
I am a firm believer that these middle lane gits cause a huge amount of unnecessary congestion on british roads, as they effectively reduce road capacity by a third. Let alone the knock on effects of people slowing down for them, only one car passing them at a time etc.
However, improved signage would be preferable to the alternative of legalising undertaking (something they already have in the States).
Whatcha reckon?
Domster
isnt 'Keep left unless overting' a rule in the highway code. If all the numpties on the road stuck to this then you couldnt possible undertake anyone anyway (unless in a jam)
I bet its the same idiots that hog the middle lane that try an block the road in the 'merge in turn' scenario debated so much on this thread
I bet its the same idiots that hog the middle lane that try an block the road in the 'merge in turn' scenario debated so much on this thread
'Keep left unless overtaking' is indeed a rule on the highway code.
It doesn't stop people ignoring it though, so big signs reminding them would be very effective.
I would love to know the psychology behind hogging the middle lane... do they feel safer? Are they being lazy?
The only time I have 'hogged' the middle lane when the road is clear was when I wound my car up to 150mph. I figured the more space around me, the better (just in case of blowout etc).
It doesn't stop people ignoring it though, so big signs reminding them would be very effective.
I would love to know the psychology behind hogging the middle lane... do they feel safer? Are they being lazy?
The only time I have 'hogged' the middle lane when the road is clear was when I wound my car up to 150mph. I figured the more space around me, the better (just in case of blowout etc).
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I would love to know the psychology behind hogging the middle lane... do they feel safer? Are they being lazy?
On some motorway sections lane 1 is badly rutted from the trucks and is a nightmare if you have wide tyres and lots of negative camber (exhibit A - green V8S). If traffic is light enough that I don't obstruct people who want to pass I will avoid this by staying out of lane 1. Is that lane hogging?
Peter Humphries (and a green V8S)
Peter Humphries (and a green V8S)
I wouldn't class it as lane hogging unless someone is there to experience the ill effects of your 'hogging'.
After all, you can't hog the telly remote if you're the only one watching!!!
It still goes against the highway code 'keep left unless overtaking' although I always interpret it sensibly... plus they didn't cover 'tramlines and fat tyres' in enough detail for my liking!
After all, you can't hog the telly remote if you're the only one watching!!!
It still goes against the highway code 'keep left unless overtaking' although I always interpret it sensibly... plus they didn't cover 'tramlines and fat tyres' in enough detail for my liking!
Legalise undertaking. Surely people will be more aware of whats going on around them if they have to look both ways before doing anything.
Middle lane drivers are pretty much suckers of Satans c*ck IMO. As for a defence for undertaking in court, well I heard from an ex policeman this would work but driving on the inside lane unless overtaking is the rule, if your lane is clear then you have no reason to overtake. If the illegal actions of a middle lane driver and the legal actions of you keeping to the left cause you to break the law by undertaking then surely the other person has forced you to break the law and therefore you are not at fault but the other person is.
On the other hand if you make it legal and the accidents increase, well thats just natural selection isnt it?
Matt.
Middle lane drivers are pretty much suckers of Satans c*ck IMO. As for a defence for undertaking in court, well I heard from an ex policeman this would work but driving on the inside lane unless overtaking is the rule, if your lane is clear then you have no reason to overtake. If the illegal actions of a middle lane driver and the legal actions of you keeping to the left cause you to break the law by undertaking then surely the other person has forced you to break the law and therefore you are not at fault but the other person is.
On the other hand if you make it legal and the accidents increase, well thats just natural selection isnt it?
Matt.
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Legalise undertaking. Surely people will be more aware of whats going on around them if they have to look both ways before doing anything.
One possible problem - I'm convinced that the majority of lackwits on the road don't know what that funny mirror on the passenger door is for.
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One possible problem - I'm convinced that the majority of lackwits on the road don't know what that funny mirror on the passenger door is for.
Or any other mirror, or lane on a roundabout, or that if they look over their shoulder they can see that car that is about to go past them.
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One possible problem - I'm convinced that the majority of lackwits on the road don't know what that funny mirror on the passenger door is for.
Or any other mirror, or lane on a roundabout, or that if they look over their shoulder they can see that car that is about to go past them.
Ha ! tell me about it. Atleast in your case they'll hit metal & plastic. In my case, it'll be me legs that cop it first. Almost enough to make me get another landrover !
There also seems to be a bit of a thing for flashing someone who has just overtaken them, on normal single carrageway roads, whats all this about?
And I'm with Pete and his V8S with regard to lane 1 on the Mway
The bit from Donington to Nottingham, when it's raining there are 2 rivers in the truck groves which the Chimaera does not like.
And I'm with Pete and his V8S with regard to lane 1 on the Mway
The bit from Donington to Nottingham, when it's raining there are 2 rivers in the truck groves which the Chimaera does not like.
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