Is this the worst Copper in Britain
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I hope Mr Brunstrom and his like stay in power, get more publicity and have the freedom to pursue their agenda's.
He's getting more publicity and support for the anti-speed camera lobby than any other single campaign, group or advertising.
He, as opposed to anyone else, is getting right into the heart of the sleepy take-it-as-it-comes-we-dont-complain section of the population. This section of society is that section that changes Governments, when it wakes up.
Good on him.
He's getting more publicity and support for the anti-speed camera lobby than any other single campaign, group or advertising.
He, as opposed to anyone else, is getting right into the heart of the sleepy take-it-as-it-comes-we-dont-complain section of the population. This section of society is that section that changes Governments, when it wakes up.
Good on him.
swilly said:
I hope Mr Brunstrom and his like stay in power,
I know the point you're making, tongue firmly in cheek I'm sure....but afraid I really have a problem with these fast access prats.
Come in as a graduate probationer, after their minimum time on the street get shuffled off into some desk number and then come back with 5 yrs experience as a Div Commander all wet behind the ears, unbrowned knees never having even been in a serious shout and are then expecting the troops drag em out of the sticky stuff. grrrrr!
(sorry folks thats yet another Mr Grumpy from me tonight.
I'm gonna chill now and crack open a Pilsner Urquell)
Typical Mail article; mixes lots of different problems and some bollox about old ladies ... yes Brunstrom's anti-car vendetta is daft, but his thinking on drugs is perfectly sensible. Just look at the quotes attributed to him even in this article.
Drug use isn't the problem; the problem is the crime committed to pay for the drugs. Pretty fair isn't it? Is recreational use of coke/heroin/LSD really EVIL? Nope. Is it stupid? Possibly. Is it worse than smoking tobacco and boozing? Not of itself. Ultimately, is it any of my business to tell someone else what they can and can't do to enjoy themselves? I'd say no, not unless it effects me directly. Burgle my house to finance your habit and I will have a problem with you; shove your legal earnings up your nose if you want to.
UK drug policy is similar to american alcohol prohibition ... Legislation makes manufacture, sale and consumption illegal and drives it underground thereby creating a huge criminal business. Fair descrption, surely? And pretty damn similar to the USA experiment with alcohol prohibition.
Drug use isn't the problem; the problem is the crime committed to pay for the drugs. Pretty fair isn't it? Is recreational use of coke/heroin/LSD really EVIL? Nope. Is it stupid? Possibly. Is it worse than smoking tobacco and boozing? Not of itself. Ultimately, is it any of my business to tell someone else what they can and can't do to enjoy themselves? I'd say no, not unless it effects me directly. Burgle my house to finance your habit and I will have a problem with you; shove your legal earnings up your nose if you want to.
UK drug policy is similar to american alcohol prohibition ... Legislation makes manufacture, sale and consumption illegal and drives it underground thereby creating a huge criminal business. Fair descrption, surely? And pretty damn similar to the USA experiment with alcohol prohibition.
Thats a very casual attitude towards a very serious subject ATG. I presume that youd be happy to be passengered by a smacked out pilot, or a coked up bus driver?
Not to mention the health implications of such a policy. The NHS cant cope as it is, and youd see extra people put into hospital just for the sake of making a dangerous chemical legal?
Ive heard some daft arguments for some dafter ideas but this ones's a doozy!
Cant have a gun in case i shoot someone with it, but legalise a drug that can kill on first use (crack)..brilliant! Not.
Oh and as a parting shot; just who would be in a fit state to get anything done after theyd been smashed outa their faces on a weekend bender? Bigger picture needed to be looked at than just wanting it legalised cos its something the druggies want!
Not to mention the health implications of such a policy. The NHS cant cope as it is, and youd see extra people put into hospital just for the sake of making a dangerous chemical legal?
Ive heard some daft arguments for some dafter ideas but this ones's a doozy!
Cant have a gun in case i shoot someone with it, but legalise a drug that can kill on first use (crack)..brilliant! Not.
Oh and as a parting shot; just who would be in a fit state to get anything done after theyd been smashed outa their faces on a weekend bender? Bigger picture needed to be looked at than just wanting it legalised cos its something the druggies want!
Deltaf ... you could say any of the same about alcohol. If I want to get pissed in my home, that is fine. If I want to get pissed and drive a car or a fly a plane, that is not OK.
If you drink too much booze, you will die. If you abuse class A drugs, you will die. If you use class A drugs in moderation, they don't do you much if any physical harm at all.
If you get addicted to alcohol it will ruin your life. If you get addicted to heroin it will ruin your life.
Our society copes with people using alcohol recreationally. Why do we think it is impossible for our society to cope with using other drugs recreationally too?
I'm not in favour of encouraging more people to get hooked on drugs, but Prohibition clearly doesn't work. It has created a lucrative market for serious criminals that has brought guns to the streets of our cities, created an enormous amount of petty crime and drives addicts underground where they are very difficult to treat and help. Current policy is a disaster ... that is the bigger picture.
>> Edited by ATG on Monday 4th August 23:07
If you drink too much booze, you will die. If you abuse class A drugs, you will die. If you use class A drugs in moderation, they don't do you much if any physical harm at all.
If you get addicted to alcohol it will ruin your life. If you get addicted to heroin it will ruin your life.
Our society copes with people using alcohol recreationally. Why do we think it is impossible for our society to cope with using other drugs recreationally too?
I'm not in favour of encouraging more people to get hooked on drugs, but Prohibition clearly doesn't work. It has created a lucrative market for serious criminals that has brought guns to the streets of our cities, created an enormous amount of petty crime and drives addicts underground where they are very difficult to treat and help. Current policy is a disaster ... that is the bigger picture.
>> Edited by ATG on Monday 4th August 23:07
ATG said:
If you get addicted to alcohol it will ruin your life. If you get addicted to heroin it will ruin your life
Hmmm, it takes some going to get addicted to alcohol yet people still manage it.
Crack and heroin are in a whole league or their own when it comes to being addictive.
They are FAR more addictive and the withdrawl symptoms are worse.
Its much easier to become addicted to class A substances (thats why they are class A)
Alcohol and dope are on a completely different level when it comes to community damage as opposed to Class A drugs. Legal or otherwise.
Although I do think that all (class A) drug users should be locked away and treated until clean before being released. The current shambles we've got is insane.
Oh, and Brunstrom is an Arsehole of the first degree. I hope he's mugged and stabbed by a druggie.
Andy
well, based on my family's experience it takes some people no effort at all to get hooked on alcohol. Some people seem to be born as proto-alcoholics. All you have to do is add beer and they are off to the races. Hell, one branch of the family have such extreme problems with addiction, that one of my aunts was properly addicted to coffee.
Similarly I know a few people who use class A's fairly regularly as recreational drugs are are quite clearly neither addicted, nor at any risk of addiction. I'm not condoning their action for a minute because (a) it is illegal and breaking the law is wrong in itself and (b) they are financing organised criminals.
If you are unlucky and seem to have a predisposition to addicition, or your life is shit and use drugs as an escape, be you rich or poor, you are doubtless at a hell of a lot of risk of getting addicted to something. Frankly, the people who want to regularly get truly out of their heads are usually running away from some big problem and are therefore at risk.
It seems to me we understimate the damage alcohol does ... look at booze fueled domestic violence, street fights at closing time, drunk driving and industrial accidents; look at the burden alcohol places on the NHS. At the same time we exagerate the danger posed by class As. The number of clean living, gym going professionals who take the odd line of coke at a party is enormous and they don't all degenerate into junkies.
Similarly I know a few people who use class A's fairly regularly as recreational drugs are are quite clearly neither addicted, nor at any risk of addiction. I'm not condoning their action for a minute because (a) it is illegal and breaking the law is wrong in itself and (b) they are financing organised criminals.
If you are unlucky and seem to have a predisposition to addicition, or your life is shit and use drugs as an escape, be you rich or poor, you are doubtless at a hell of a lot of risk of getting addicted to something. Frankly, the people who want to regularly get truly out of their heads are usually running away from some big problem and are therefore at risk.
It seems to me we understimate the damage alcohol does ... look at booze fueled domestic violence, street fights at closing time, drunk driving and industrial accidents; look at the burden alcohol places on the NHS. At the same time we exagerate the danger posed by class As. The number of clean living, gym going professionals who take the odd line of coke at a party is enormous and they don't all degenerate into junkies.
flat in fifth said:
Come in as a graduate probationer, after their minimum time on the street get shuffled off into some desk number and then come back with 5 yrs experience as a Div Commander all wet behind the ears, unbrowned knees never having even been in a serious shout and are then expecting the troops drag em out of the sticky stuff. grrrrr!
It would be interesting to compare the CVs of the senior BiBs that talk sense against those like Brunstrom. Anybody know if they are readily accessible on the web? If they are maybe Ted could allow a sticky thread on which they could be posted.
So it's OK to deal drugs in public but not do 45 in a 40? No contradiction there then.
Typical fast-track career type: starts a crusade on something that isn't that serious or difficult to resolve in order to get himself noticed and show how good and righteous he is, then fcuks off with a promotion leaving some other poor sod to clear up the shit. This man is a complete arsehole and should be sacked before he can reduce North Wales to a scene from Escape from New York (for those that remember that VERY BAD Kurt Russell film) with the exception that no one dare bust the speed limit.
TO55ER!
Typical fast-track career type: starts a crusade on something that isn't that serious or difficult to resolve in order to get himself noticed and show how good and righteous he is, then fcuks off with a promotion leaving some other poor sod to clear up the shit. This man is a complete arsehole and should be sacked before he can reduce North Wales to a scene from Escape from New York (for those that remember that VERY BAD Kurt Russell film
) with the exception that no one dare bust the speed limit. TO55ER!
andytk said:Until the very last line I though this was the biggest bunch of ignorant prejudicial nonsense I've heard on here in quite some time.
If you get addicted to alcohol it will ruin your life. If you get addicted to heroin it will ruin your life
Crack and heroin are in a whole league or their own when it comes to being addictive.
They are FAR more addictive and the withdrawl symptoms are worse.
Its much easier to become addicted to class A substances (thats why they are class A)
Alcohol and dope are on a completely different level when it comes to community damage as opposed to Class A drugs. Legal or otherwise.
Although I do think that all (class A) drug users should be locked away and treated until clean before being released. The current shambles we've got is insane.
Oh, and Brunstrom is an Arsehole of the first degree. I hope he's mugged and stabbed by a druggie.
Andy
Then you proposed that Brunstrom be battered by a junkie. Which I think is entirely fair and reasonable.
[quote=Sgt^roc]Thames Valley's Road policing head plod Olney aint much better they are just car hating do-gooders on a mission and fuk all other crime
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Thats some statement to make about someone you do not know!
You obviously do not know Neil Olney because if you did, you would not have written that.
I know lots about Neil Olney. More than I would be able to type into this forum in a reasonable time and none of it bad.
He is not one of those fast track butterfly men. He has worked hard to get to his current position and is widely respected by those who work with him.
He leads from the front and has always done so which included as at Sgt rank being stabbed in the chest by a ranting husband at a domestic dispute some years ago whilst he was protecting one of the officers on his shift who was in danger of the blade.
What little you may read about him does not give the full picture. He is now in charge of roads Policing. He has to follow direction from both his chief officer and Govt Policy, he cannot avoid that. He is not in the same league as Brunstrom.
>> Edited by madcop on Wednesday 6th August 10:54
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Thats some statement to make about someone you do not know!
You obviously do not know Neil Olney because if you did, you would not have written that.
I know lots about Neil Olney. More than I would be able to type into this forum in a reasonable time and none of it bad.
He is not one of those fast track butterfly men. He has worked hard to get to his current position and is widely respected by those who work with him.
He leads from the front and has always done so which included as at Sgt rank being stabbed in the chest by a ranting husband at a domestic dispute some years ago whilst he was protecting one of the officers on his shift who was in danger of the blade.
What little you may read about him does not give the full picture. He is now in charge of roads Policing. He has to follow direction from both his chief officer and Govt Policy, he cannot avoid that. He is not in the same league as Brunstrom.
>> Edited by madcop on Wednesday 6th August 10:54
[quote=Sgt^roc]Thames Valley's Road policing head plod Olney aint much better they are just car hating do-gooders on a mission and fuk all other crime[/quote]
I quite liked the way they targeted the disqualified drivers, waiting for them to use the car and then nicking them.
DON'T FORGET THAT THESE PEOPLE ARE NOT INSURED, how would you feel if one of them bumped into you and damaged your car.
I quite liked the way they targeted the disqualified drivers, waiting for them to use the car and then nicking them.
DON'T FORGET THAT THESE PEOPLE ARE NOT INSURED, how would you feel if one of them bumped into you and damaged your car.
Check out this thread with a telephone number to voice your opinion.
www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?t=51315&f=10&h=0
I wonder how many calls of support he'll get. Probably loads from all the society drains that hang around the phonebox dealing Class A's!
www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?t=51315&f=10&h=0
I wonder how many calls of support he'll get. Probably loads from all the society drains that hang around the phonebox dealing Class A's!
The Government are partially to blame for Police Forces taking this route. They want them to be profitable institutions so they have to target easily detected crime where they know the fines will be paid - ie the motorist. We need a Government who allow Public Services to be run as such and not businesses with profit and targets as a main consideration.
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