Is this the worst Copper in Britain
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Let's face it they are incompetetant and can't catch real criminals. They want to decriminalise the offences they can't clear up and make criminals of motorists because we drive around displaying our ID in theform of number plates. They are failing us all with this speed obsesion.
And before anybody starts I think we should drive at the "appropriate" speed for the situation and for me that is much lower than 30 mph in a busy high street or out side a school when children ae arriving or leaving. Ooh I had to ge that out !
And before anybody starts I think we should drive at the "appropriate" speed for the situation and for me that is much lower than 30 mph in a busy high street or out side a school when children ae arriving or leaving. Ooh I had to ge that out !
..mind you i was once called a 
More madness from our 'favourite' plod 
Brunstrom on speeding;
"It is against the law and there is no excuse for drifting over the limit any more than there is for drifting a knife into someone."
Full article at;
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wales/3127351.stm
Police chief attacks critics
Chief Constable Richard Brunstrom: tabloid media target
Police chief Richard Brunstrom has hit back at "unpleasant" attacks on him over his alleged obsession with catching speeding drivers.
In a robust interview on the BBC's Wales Today programme, he also repeated his call to make prescrption heroin available to addicts.
The North Wales chief constable said: "If we can give heroin away, which is perfectly possible (as) it can be done legally in this country now to people who need it, it would be cheaper and we would significantly reduce the crime rate."
Mr Brunstrom has previously called for the decriminalisation of drugs, including heroin and cocaine, on the grounds that addicts turn to crime to pay for illegal drugs to feed their habit.
At a meeting of the Police Federation in May 2002, he told the 700 delegates of the 128,000-strong organisation, that all drugs, including heroin and cocaine, should be decriminalised.
Only 30 officers at the Bournemouth conference backed him, but Mr Brunstrom has continued to press for a Royal commission on the legalisation of drugs.
In his interview on Tuesday on BBC Wales, he referred to the drugs problem and official policy on drugs as having: "A grave danger of destroying British society as we know it."
Drugs "may destroy" British society, said police chief
He also hit out at attacks on him for his force's police on detecting and catching speeding drivers.
He said there was: "A quite unpleasant thread running through some of the national media and some of the interest groups pursuing an obsessional and irrational scheme to discredit the government's National Safety Camera project."
He added: "They're not going to succeed."
Mr Brunstrom has recently faced tabloid newspaper attacks pillorying him as possibly the worst policeman in Britain and asking readers to give their views.
Attacks on him were heightened recently when he described a pensioner who had been caught in a camera speed trap as being guilty of "anti-social behaviour" and comparing him with a 17-year-old yob."
Further criticism of his alleged "obsession" with speeding, to the detriment of fighting crime in other areas, came the day after at a meeting of the North Wales Police Authority, in Colwyn Bay.
Mr Brunstrom revealed new figures which showed the worse burglary detection rates yet with only 6% of burglaries solved in April.
He told the authority the figures were no more than a statistical "blip."
In his BBC Wales Today interview, Mr Brunstron made no apologies for his hard line on speeding.
He said: "It is against the law and there is no excuse for drifting over the limit any more than there is for drifting a knife into someone."
Brunstrom on speeding;
"It is against the law and there is no excuse for drifting over the limit any more than there is for drifting a knife into someone."
Full article at;
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wales/3127351.stm
Police chief attacks critics
Chief Constable Richard Brunstrom: tabloid media target
Police chief Richard Brunstrom has hit back at "unpleasant" attacks on him over his alleged obsession with catching speeding drivers.
In a robust interview on the BBC's Wales Today programme, he also repeated his call to make prescrption heroin available to addicts.
The North Wales chief constable said: "If we can give heroin away, which is perfectly possible (as) it can be done legally in this country now to people who need it, it would be cheaper and we would significantly reduce the crime rate."
Mr Brunstrom has previously called for the decriminalisation of drugs, including heroin and cocaine, on the grounds that addicts turn to crime to pay for illegal drugs to feed their habit.
At a meeting of the Police Federation in May 2002, he told the 700 delegates of the 128,000-strong organisation, that all drugs, including heroin and cocaine, should be decriminalised.
Only 30 officers at the Bournemouth conference backed him, but Mr Brunstrom has continued to press for a Royal commission on the legalisation of drugs.
In his interview on Tuesday on BBC Wales, he referred to the drugs problem and official policy on drugs as having: "A grave danger of destroying British society as we know it."
Drugs "may destroy" British society, said police chief
He also hit out at attacks on him for his force's police on detecting and catching speeding drivers.
He said there was: "A quite unpleasant thread running through some of the national media and some of the interest groups pursuing an obsessional and irrational scheme to discredit the government's National Safety Camera project."
He added: "They're not going to succeed."
Mr Brunstrom has recently faced tabloid newspaper attacks pillorying him as possibly the worst policeman in Britain and asking readers to give their views.
Attacks on him were heightened recently when he described a pensioner who had been caught in a camera speed trap as being guilty of "anti-social behaviour" and comparing him with a 17-year-old yob."
Further criticism of his alleged "obsession" with speeding, to the detriment of fighting crime in other areas, came the day after at a meeting of the North Wales Police Authority, in Colwyn Bay.
Mr Brunstrom revealed new figures which showed the worse burglary detection rates yet with only 6% of burglaries solved in April.
He told the authority the figures were no more than a statistical "blip."
In his BBC Wales Today interview, Mr Brunstron made no apologies for his hard line on speeding.
He said: "It is against the law and there is no excuse for drifting over the limit any more than there is for drifting a knife into someone."
cazzo said:
More madness from our 'favourite' plod
Police chief attacks critics
Chief Constable Richard Brunstrom: tabloid media target
Police chief Richard Brunstrom has hit back at "unpleasant" attacks on him over his alleged obsession with catching speeding drivers.
He also hit out at attacks on him for his force's police on detecting and catching speeding drivers.
He said there was: "A quite unpleasant thread running through some of the national media and some of the interest groups pursuing an obsessional and irrational scheme to discredit the government's National Safety Camera project."
He added: "They're not going to succeed."
Mr Brunstrom has recently faced tabloid newspaper attacks pillorying him as possibly the worst policeman in Britain and asking readers to give their views.
Attacks on him were heightened recently when he described a pensioner who had been caught in a camera speed trap as being guilty of "anti-social behaviour" and comparing him with a 17-year-old yob."
Further criticism of his alleged "obsession" with speeding, to the detriment of fighting crime in other areas, came the day after at a meeting of the North Wales Police Authority, in Colwyn Bay.
Mr Brunstrom revealed new figures which showed the worse burglary detection rates yet with only 6% of burglaries solved in April.
He told the authority the figures were no more than a statistical "blip."
In his BBC Wales Today interview, Mr Brunstron made no apologies for his hard line on speeding.
He said: "It is against the law and there is no excuse for drifting over the limit any more than there is for drifting a knife into someone."
So Brunstrom doesn't like some of his own medicine, he can lash out quite unpolicemanlike against a motorist, but where he is justly due some criticism he starts throwing his pacifier out of his pram.
Brunstrom grow up, get your politics sorted and resign.....
you'll do more good mowing your lawn than you ever will being a PC lentilist sandalista socialist scum propaganda propagater.
cazzo said:
More madness from our 'favourite' plod
Brunstrom on speeding;
"It is against the law and there is no excuse for drifting over the limit any more than there is for drifting a knife into someone."
Of course the difference here being that one is accidental and the other deliberate.....or has he missed that small distinction?
He said there was: "A quite unpleasant thread running through some of the national media and some of the interest groups pursuing an obsessional and irrational scheme to discredit the government's National Safety Camera project."
He added: "They're not going to succeed."
Looks like his little spies have been out gathering intelligence....quite what theyll do with it is something different altogether.
As for " Theyre not going to succeed"....er...want to bet on it brunsy? One Petition of the locals to get him removed coming right up!
(prick) >> Edited by deltaf on Thursday 7th August 09:12
>> Edited by deltaf on Thursday 7th August 09:13
"The North Wales chief constable said: "If we can give heroin away, which is perfectly possible (as) it can be done legally in this country now to people who need it, it would be cheaper and we would significantly reduce the crime rate." "
Perhaps we should give cigarettes and alchol away too. I personally am addicted large staight six engines, I cannot help myself. Maybe I could get an M3 on prescrption otherwise I may have to turn to crime to feed my addiction.
"Drugs could destroy British Society", No mate! British Society has been in trouble for a long time that why people end up on smack.
Perhaps we should give cigarettes and alchol away too. I personally am addicted large staight six engines, I cannot help myself. Maybe I could get an M3 on prescrption otherwise I may have to turn to crime to feed my addiction.
"Drugs could destroy British Society", No mate! British Society has been in trouble for a long time that why people end up on smack.
XM5ER said:
Maybe I could get an M3 on prescrption otherwise I may have to turn to crime to feed my addiction.
Hear, hear. I've truly never heard such nonsense. Drifting over the speed limit is no less serious than drifting a knife into someone!!
I'm waiting for Jeremy Beadle to pop up and confirm that it's all a piss take as there is no way this guy can be serious.
plotloss said:
Brunstrom, as far as speeding goes is a complete and utter cnut.
His views on the legalisation of drugs however are to be applauded as the most open minded and pragmatic view any government official has ever taken.
The two are not linked, never have been and never will be.
Here here!
(or "Hear hear!", I've never known which it's meant to be)
>> Edited by FastShow on Thursday 7th August 12:45
plotloss said:
Brunstrom, as far as speeding goes is a complete and utter cnut.
His views on the legalisation of drugs however are to be applauded as the most open minded and pragmatic view any government official has ever taken.
The two are not linked, never have been and never will be.
I'm going to get involved here, and explain some bitter experience. I have had to carry the coffins of two girlfriends whose lives were destroyed, albeit in very different ways, by messing about with drugs. The first was 21 when she and her 12 year old brother were shot dead by drug dealers in South Africa. She had got involved with drugs at university, starting with cannabis and graduating to Class A stuff. They were gunned down in their car after she'd stopped off from taking him home from school to pick up some ecstacy tablets. Nobody ever properly explained why this happened.
The second died in March this year. We had remained very close friends despite our romantic attachment ending several years ago. She was one of the most beautiful women you could ever meet, inside and out. She went to Hollywood to seek her fortune some years ago and also fell in with a bad crowd. When she came home she was addicted to heroin and alcohol and over the course of the next five or so years completely fell apart, suffering disastrous mental illness.
She later told me that she started doing it "because everybody else was," and that the dealers gave her the stuff FOC, until she was addicted, when suddenly it became very expensive indeed.
She was found dead in her rented cottage in March. She had been dead for approximately two weeks, at the age of 32, and nobody had noticed. She apparently died of double pneumonia and weighed less than six stone. She just wasted away, mentally and physically.
I tried so hard to push her in the right direction and, in the end, was the only friend that hadn't given up and deserted her. She wanted to reform but just couldn't. The addiction completely took over.
You won't be surprised to hear that I feel pretty raw about the whole thing. Particularly because I was the only friend she had left and I didn't go and find out why she wasn't answering my calls leading up to and after that two weeks.
You won't believe the sleepless nights I have had over this and the feeling that I wasn't a good enough friend to have been close enough when she really needed it.
Please, no more of this "drugs are harmless" bullshit. They don't just fcuk up the lives of people who use them, they also fcuk up the lives of friends and family. As far as I'm concerned drug dealers are the lowest scum on earth and should be shot on sight. Brunstrom, as an apologist who is inciting people to break the law and encouraging young people to destroy their lives, and those of their loved ones, should be lined up along the same wall. Sorry for the sense of humour failure.
>> Edited by Mon Ami Mate on Thursday 7th August 13:17
>> Edited by Mon Ami Mate on Thursday 7th August 13:18
Mon Ami Mate said:
Please, no more of this "drugs are harmless" bullshit. They don't just fcuk up the lives of people who use them, they also fcuk up the lives of friends and family. As far as I'm concerned drug dealers are the lowest scum on earth and should be shot on sight. Brunstrom, as an apologist who is inciting people to break the law and encouraging young people to destroy their lives, and those of their loved ones, should be lined up along the same wall. Sorry for the sense of humour failure.
Hear Hear MonAmi, you've hit the nail right on the head, people who say that drugs are harmless or should be legalised are as dangerous as a Blair with a majority....... and should be shot!
JMGS4 said:
Hear Hear MonAmi, you've hit the nail right on the head, people who say that drugs are harmless or should be legalised are as dangerous as a Blair with a majority....... and should be shot!
Where did anyone say drugs weren't harmful? All I can see are a couple of people saying that the current drug laws are harmful; a point backed up by Mon Ami's post above.
Just read it again and notice how the drug dealers assist in the whole sordid process of getting people hooked. Read again how these two girls "graduated" from soft to hard drugs, a situation that occurs almost entirely because have to obtain them illegally. Read how one of the girls was gunned down in some sort of drug-related crime.
All of the above are caused or exagerated simply because drugs are illegal. Legalise them and bring them into the open and things will be very different.
After all, people don't "graduate" from cigarettes and alcohol to hard drugs in their droves. People don't get shot when dealing with the chap who sells them their weekly B&H's. Yet both cigarettes and alcohol are as much drugs as the next substance, albeit legal ones.
Mon Ami, you have my utmost sympathy for what happened to your friends, but you must see that at least some of the things you describe above happened because the drugs were illegal and would most likely have been avoided if they weren't?
>> Edited by FastShow on Thursday 7th August 13:45
I disagree fastshow. If the drugs were available freely, it just means thered be more people getting addicted legally.... i dont see any advantage therefore to legalising them. Heroin, crack, coke etc ARE addictive, in some cases they are fatal upon first useage. To legalise them would just screw up a load more families who ordinarily WOULDNT have had their loved ones involved because of the present illegality of them. Its not a viable or morally justifiable position to argue from.
Mon Ami, theres nothing you could have done.
Mon Ami, theres nothing you could have done.
I think the legalisation issue is missing the point. The problem is that there is a demand for drugs. Current policy is all about restricting supply but whilst demand remains high the dealers will supply.
My proposals (please shoot them down):
1) Start putting 'respectable' middle class drug users in prison. That'll scare a lot of people away from drugs, particularly those with the money for a large habit.
2) Make drugs available at cost price via the NHS to registered addicts. This will wipe out dealers profit margins and legalisation would not be necessary.
Registered addicts would not be imprisoned but treatment would be compulsory and employers would be informed.
As for the speeding no different to stabbing, if he genuinely believes that, the man is not fit to be in his job.
My proposals (please shoot them down):
1) Start putting 'respectable' middle class drug users in prison. That'll scare a lot of people away from drugs, particularly those with the money for a large habit.
2) Make drugs available at cost price via the NHS to registered addicts. This will wipe out dealers profit margins and legalisation would not be necessary.
Registered addicts would not be imprisoned but treatment would be compulsory and employers would be informed.
As for the speeding no different to stabbing, if he genuinely believes that, the man is not fit to be in his job.
said:
"It is against the law and there is no excuse for drifting over the limit any more than there is for drifting a knife into someone."
That quote should be dug up, and if found to be true and accurate used to crucifix the man (literally if needs be).
>> Edited by 206xsi on Thursday 7th August 14:45
plotloss said:
Oh fcuk it, I cant be arsed.
The Daily Mail still have a healthy readership for some time it seems.
I am genuinely sorry to hear of your loss Malcolm.
Plotloss, please be arsed. I honestly don't understand the argument for legalising drugs and would genuinely like to. As Delta says, all I can see is that by legalising drugs there will be many more people legally able to ruin their lives and those of their loved ones.
Thank you for your condolences. I don't read the Mail, I read the Telegraph!
I suppose that you're prepared to overlook the enormous influence that psychotropics have had on our (arguably) greatest artists?
Would Billy Shakespeare have ended up writing the gossip column for "Ye OK!" Magazine instead of his great works, had he been a clean and respectable member of society?
Would Led Zep have been writing sitcom theme tunes instead of Stairway etc..?
As Bill Hicks pointed out, was there ever an artist who was against drugs and was any good? All the ones I can think of suck bigtime.
I think people forget that drugs are *NOT* an altogether bad thing, simply because of the fact that some people come a cropper with them.
Malc - I'm genuinely sorry for the experience you've had. In the circumstances I can see why you feel how you feel.
Would you be prepared to concede that your friends' experiences were more indicative of human falability and cruelty rather than the malevolence of naturally occuring substances?
Also, you're a biker - ever lost a friend in a motorbike accident? Would it make you want to see motorbikes outlawed?
In my mind, to acknowledge the absurdity of speed limits (and their enforcement) on the basis of the individual's right to know what's best and use his own judgement yet to support the criminalisation of drug use is hypocrisy of the highest order.
On a matter of principle, either one supports the right of the individual to make his own decisions based on his own experience and preference or one does not. Picking and choosing the areas in which one is allowed to exercise free-will is to me an unacceptable fudge.
Finally, there is no way to stem the demand for narcotics. The human body likes them. In fact it can't get enough of them. Until you can fix that problem, you cannot suppress the demand for narcotic drugs.
>> Edited by CarZee (moderator) on Thursday 7th August 14:54
Would Billy Shakespeare have ended up writing the gossip column for "Ye OK!" Magazine instead of his great works, had he been a clean and respectable member of society?
Would Led Zep have been writing sitcom theme tunes instead of Stairway etc..?
As Bill Hicks pointed out, was there ever an artist who was against drugs and was any good? All the ones I can think of suck bigtime.
I think people forget that drugs are *NOT* an altogether bad thing, simply because of the fact that some people come a cropper with them.
Malc - I'm genuinely sorry for the experience you've had. In the circumstances I can see why you feel how you feel.
Would you be prepared to concede that your friends' experiences were more indicative of human falability and cruelty rather than the malevolence of naturally occuring substances?
Also, you're a biker - ever lost a friend in a motorbike accident? Would it make you want to see motorbikes outlawed?
In my mind, to acknowledge the absurdity of speed limits (and their enforcement) on the basis of the individual's right to know what's best and use his own judgement yet to support the criminalisation of drug use is hypocrisy of the highest order.
On a matter of principle, either one supports the right of the individual to make his own decisions based on his own experience and preference or one does not. Picking and choosing the areas in which one is allowed to exercise free-will is to me an unacceptable fudge.
Finally, there is no way to stem the demand for narcotics. The human body likes them. In fact it can't get enough of them. Until you can fix that problem, you cannot suppress the demand for narcotic drugs.
>> Edited by CarZee (moderator) on Thursday 7th August 14:54
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