F**King livid.
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hertsbiker said:
No we aren't! I was just incensed at reading it. I think a few other people are too. I can't post much these days, but it was enough that I had to write something. And how do you think ordinary people make up time lost to the go slow brigade? easy - go faster for a while. Got a life to lead, and spending it at 70mph dead on the m-way because someone said so, is not how I see Britain moving forward. I wasn't suggesting running down granny & the kids in town! Oh and by the way, Toads generalisation was wrong for the most part, but there are some despicable people out there, either side of the blue line. Thankfully none of 'em are in here.
Shhhhh..... or he'll come back!
volvod5_dude said:
Hi Toad,
I agree with everything you say, and hope your brother doesn't get a NIP.
I've just joined this site, I've had enough of HJ and all his PC cronies.
VD5D.
Hi Volvo Dude! Welcome!!! Yeah, I've calmed down a lot now! Almost certain that, despite the claims of the guy in the van, this wasn't a speed van.
Welcome again. Agree about HJ's. I popped in a few weeks back! There was a thread on Concorde - a subject of interest to most on the site judging by the length of the thread.
Great thinks I. In th eold days MRLBS woul dhave toasted that. PErhaps he's getting better.
But no. He whined a bit then toasted the thread.
I liked the people on HJ's but PH is far better.
Now, if we could get DVD and middleman over here!!...
>> Edited by toad_oftoadhall on Thursday 6th November 13:18
volvod5_dude said:
Hi Toad,
I agree with everything you say, and hope your brother doesn't get a NIP.
I've just joined this site, I've had enough of HJ and all his PC cronies.
VD5D.
Hey dude, a near neighbour as I recall.
Welcome indeed, I'm here too, yet another renegade.
Re HJ (though he's not the culprit!) how can you have a discussion forum where any discussion is effectively banned!!
cheers,
FiF
318ti said:
But for the scamera operators defence, they do put the locations of the scamera in the local newspaper and they also have a web site telling which roads they will be on each week. So there really is no defence to getting your picture taken.
To be honest giving details of the location of the cameras in the local press may be fine for local residents, but it isn't much use to those out of the area. The same applies to giving the information on a website. If you are doing a long journey you can't check half a dozen or more Scamera websites to see where the cameras will be.
Surely it would be much better to have warning sighs about the accident blackspots together with camera warning signs? Then there truly would be no defence.
puggit said:
Arrrgghhhh - sorry
Seeing as you're obviously interested puggit a few details. Toad if you object let me know pronto and I'll delete.
Brother Toad's scare/offence occurred just down the road from Villa FiF. Obviously we don't know what the result will be yet.
However a site visit revealed evidence which supports Toad's description of the location.
Clearly someone had been parking on the verge right behind a sign in the NSL. However when I was there road works were being set up so this could conceivably have been a road works contractor's vehicle marks. Not HGV though I would say, well not twin rear wheels anyway.
West Mercia use Speedmaster DS3 which relies on three loops buried in the road. At the site in question there is no evidence of such loops , nor the little grey post which is the data connection point between the camera kit and the loops. There is also none of the little white lines either side of the loops used to focus and aim the camera and maybe as collaborating evidence.
The kit can be used remotely from the van, so it was quite possible from the parking location that the camera was looking into the 40.
West Mercia use ANPR vans which look almost identical to the speed vans except they have a small sign saying what they are. From what I've seen the speed vans are always clearly marked that includes an unmarked black Vectra Estate which is sometimes used. Allegedly the van had nothing about speed on it.
My opinion, and I hope this is correct for a happy Christmas at Toad Hall, is that this was an ANPR van.
OK so you might ask why not keep till 40 until after the NSL, it's what I do and as said above it takes some willpower for at this point you are faced with an open dual for a few hundred metres but with 40 limit.
The reason the 40 limit is in place is because of problems with fast moving traffic headed northbound running into tailbacks from some traffic lights, plus also there is a junction and entrance to a works site which can be a bit dodgy exiting if someone is getting a wiggle on. That was the official reason given when the 40 speed order was put in place. Remember - NORTHBOUND!!!!
However the 40 limit is in place because something in UK law prevents different speed limits being in force in different directions. Therefore southbound the limit continues past the real problem spot for quite some way, about half a mile. Not measured it exactly.
Now if, and it's a big if, this van was measuring speed why put it in the position it was looking at traffic travelling away from the problem spot?
Furthermore if they really wanted to measure speed in the 40 properly why not park the van further north in a lay by(!!!!) where they could measure stuff near to a junction? A junction which hasn't been any trouble, but nevertheless a more significant hazard than the last 50 m of a 40 limit before it turns NSL.
Finally I mentioned roadworks. The reason for these is that they intend to block any crossovers at the two other junctions because of accidents, make the dual a single lane in each direction and drop the NSL limit to 50. It could actually be 40 as quite frankly Worcestershire are being a set of total tossers right now.
I'd also bet a quid or three they will also put a set or two of the speed detection loops in place.
And people want to come and live in Britain!
edited to fix formatting errors and other typos, also to make some points abit more clear, sorry for the inconvenience!
>> Edited by Flat in Fifth on Saturday 15th November 18:29
centurion07 said:
If Howard offered a points amnesty and banned cameras from issuing points in addition to the fine there would be two effects:
1) He would be prime minister.
2) Revenue would *increase* from the cameras because some people would still risk it.
You forgot the 3rd: Anyonewit earning enough money can drive any speed he likes becasue he can afford any fine that the court gives him!! What a great idea.....NOT.
The rich don't go to jail 'cos they can afford the best lawyers & they know the right people. Actually having the law provide them with a "get out of jail free" card by only fining them & not taking their licence away is ridiculous.
And if you can't do the time, don't do the crime, i.e. if your job depends on your driving licence, don't do anything to jeopardise it. I've had a few points on mine in the past (only 3 at the mo), so I'm not taking a holier than thou stance, just saying if it means that much to you, why risk it?
That's not really true. The fines are means tested (like my £800 for an 85 in a 50), and a good lawyer will still likely as not fail to get you off, no matter how much you pay them.
Believe me, being very wealthy has not let me speed at all. If anything, the access to very fast vehicles has meant that now I have to make a conscious decision to buy something slower, to try and hold on to those precious last three points.
centurion07 said:
Secondly, be honest, are you really incapable of keeping your car under the limit?
That's a disingenuous question, as I imagine you know full well. Intellectually dishonest too, as fits in well with the anti-speeding proponents.
Yes, I am quite capable of keeping my car or bike under the limit, thankyou.
I am not, however, capable of keeping my car under the limit, while simultaneously keeping close enough to the limit to stop too many people dangerously overtaking me through frustration, AND keeping my full attention on the road ahead, to look out for the changing situation as it happens.
northernboy said:
Secondly, be honest, are you really incapable of keeping your car under the limit?
That's a disingenuous question, as I imagine you know full well. Intellectually dishonest too, as fits in well with the anti-speeding proponents.
Yes, I am quite capable of keeping my car or bike under the limit, thankyou.
I am not, however, capable of keeping my car under the limit, while simultaneously keeping close enough to the limit to stop too many people dangerously overtaking me through frustration, AND keeping my full attention on the road ahead, to look out for the changing situation as it happens.
Absolutely correct, as I said before my SAAB has cruise, I set it at 30mph in town and it is a revelation to be able to concentrate on errant kids/pets and be so much more aware of the odd driving habits of my fellow motorists.
Driving and concentrating on your speedo is an unnessecary and dangerous distraction.
You appear to have been brainwashed by the hype, you are not immortal or beyond fallability if you adhere to an arbitary speed limit.
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