F**King livid.
Discussion
PetrolTed said:
Toad, stop this 'filth' crap now.
There are a number of police officers that contribute to this site and your terminology is not welcome.
1) Other use that terminology without censure.
2) A policeman was *named* on this site a few days ago and I suggested to the mods it was innaproprate. It was felt to be ok.
3) www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?t=53629&f=98&h=0
4) I won't use the 'f' word again but this morning it was becuase I felt it was innapropriate. Now it's because someone else feels it is.
5) Which makes me think: if my perception about what is acceptable can be shifted by events maybe so can yours too.
206xsi: Very good point! How the hell are the people who aren't 'f' any more going to prove he was still in a 40 limit? They will have waited for him to gather speed and for all they know he'd be past the sign by the time they got him. (In fact maybe he *was* past the sign when they got him?)
>> Edited by toad_oftoadhall on Friday 31st October 16:46
Ted - I can see where the line is drawn.
The BiB on this site understand the pains that the public have with the scamera operators. As we have been informed by our serving BIBs, in general a policeman manning a trap chooses the location on it's safety.
The average civilian operator seems to choose cash-generating spots which in general are places where the speed limit is ridiculously low. These makes them scum.
The BiB on this site understand the pains that the public have with the scamera operators. As we have been informed by our serving BIBs, in general a policeman manning a trap chooses the location on it's safety.
The average civilian operator seems to choose cash-generating spots which in general are places where the speed limit is ridiculously low. These makes them scum.
Toad, I don't claim to be 100% consistent, but the sticky at the top of this forum asks you to show respect to the BiBs that are here.
We looked the report about the BiB that was named elsewhere and didn't feel it worth intervening.
I'm not going to get into a long debate about this.
'Filth' is not an acceptable term and I will censor anyone else using the term here when it comes to my attention.
We looked the report about the BiB that was named elsewhere and didn't feel it worth intervening.
I'm not going to get into a long debate about this.
'Filth' is not an acceptable term and I will censor anyone else using the term here when it comes to my attention.
Please blame the government and NOT the BiB.
I certainly wouldnt use/be part of one of these Vans but i know that the one or two that i do know that use them dont do it through choice.......its their job, sadly.
I wont give my feelings about the Vans again as most people on here already know them but suffice to say, theres no substitute for a real live Policeman, whether it be Trafpols or not.
Toad, i can understand your frustrations etc etc but i can assure you that most of my colleagues are, as you know...good honest people and certainly not filth.
I certainly wouldnt use/be part of one of these Vans but i know that the one or two that i do know that use them dont do it through choice.......its their job, sadly.
I wont give my feelings about the Vans again as most people on here already know them but suffice to say, theres no substitute for a real live Policeman, whether it be Trafpols or not.
Toad, i can understand your frustrations etc etc but i can assure you that most of my colleagues are, as you know...good honest people and certainly not filth.
PetrolTed said:
Toad, I don't claim to be 100% consistent, but the sticky at the top of this forum asks you to show respect to the BiBs that are here.
We looked the report about the BiB that was named elsewhere and didn't feel it worth intervening.
I'm not going to get into a long debate about this.
'Filth' is not an acceptable term and I will censor anyone else using the term here when it comes to my attention.
You misunderstand. I wasn't complaining about inconsistency! It's your site your site to be consistant or not as you wish.
I was merely pointing out that you agree with me.
In fact if you condense my point to "My brother would be more useful to the UK as a net contributor to the economy than a net drain on it." I'd say all but the most hardened appologists wouldn't be able to argue against it.
Burglars don't get sacked! If it's so f**king serious why don't they give him 28 days inside? He could take holiday, continue to pay tax and has a useful life in front of him once he's out!
Anyway I'm a lot calmer now. As I say above there are other ways out of this for him.
Will call him tomorrow when he's had a chance to calm down and I reckon things will be a bit less bleak.
If the *very* worst comes to the worst I'll *think* about take the ban.
Gonna be miserable for PH'ers, though, because I'm going to be very vocal about my martyrdom.
I will resume my policy of avoiding unpleasent language of any kind...
>> Edited by toad_oftoadhall on Friday 31st October 17:09
>> Edited by toad_oftoadhall on Friday 31st October 17:10
toad_oftoadhall said:
I also quietly take heart from the fact the snooped didn't go off.
>> Edited by toad_oftoadhall on Friday 31st October 16:03
Sorry to be the bearer of bad but the snooper (assuming it was a radar detector) will not have gone off.
My snoopers have never picked up laser, and even if they did by the time you have reacted you have already been done.
If he gets away, tell him to get a jammer pronto! THE ONLY defense against the scamera vans
toad_oftoadhall said:That might be true, but you subsequently admitted, "(it) was a civilian." - so don't lump the two together!
Toad, stop this 'filth' crap now.
There are a number of police officers that contribute to this site and your terminology is not welcome.
1) Other use that terminology without censure. ...
Just got a call from Pa Toad. [1]
Apparently the stretch was a 70 limit a short while ago.
He made a really good point. 2m people a year get criminalised in this way.
If Howard offered a points amnesty and banned cameras from issuing points in addition to the fine there would be two effects:
1) He would be prime minister.
2) Revenue would *increase* from the cameras because some people would still risk it.
[1] A combinaiton of in denial & hopping mad.
Apparently the stretch was a 70 limit a short while ago.
He made a really good point. 2m people a year get criminalised in this way.
If Howard offered a points amnesty and banned cameras from issuing points in addition to the fine there would be two effects:
1) He would be prime minister.
2) Revenue would *increase* from the cameras because some people would still risk it.
[1] A combinaiton of in denial & hopping mad.
streaky said:
That might be true, but you subsequently admitted, "(it) was a civilian." - so don't lump the two together!
We'll wait for the NIP but I think it will be a issued by the police.
On a practical matter, if it *is* a ban his wife could take it.
It was a front facing shot - will anybody check?
Personally I reckon he should go down the refusal to identify route.
Just out of interest what happens if he makes multiple suggestions of driver id.
In other words:
He waits a fortnight and ID's me.
I wait a fortnight and provide alibi.
They write to him again.
He waits a fortnight and ID's person No 2.
Pers 2 waits a fortnight and provides alibi.
They write again...
How long could such a game be played out?
I think alot of people here don't understand NIP's very well.
If you fail to id the driver then they stick on the registered owner. I'm assuming in this case that they are one and the same.
You can still be disqualified under certain circs for not providing driver details.
And please stop bleating on about police as filth. Not very mature of you.
If you fail to id the driver then they stick on the registered owner. I'm assuming in this case that they are one and the same.
You can still be disqualified under certain circs for not providing driver details.
And please stop bleating on about police as filth. Not very mature of you.
318ti said:
You can still be disqualified under certain circs for not providing driver details. [quote]
But it's not likely?
[quote=318ti]
And please stop bleating on about police as filth. Not very mature of you.
Feel free to prove your devotion to the cause by tearing up your license if you can't honestly say you haven't exceeded a limit 4 times in the last 3 years.
Your job might not depend on your license. Others do. You might not be ashamed of being dragged into court. Others are.
shoory to hear about this one m8. Its prity much normal pratis.
I had a nip for the same thing they were hiding in a bush
20 yards from a 70 to catch any one that put there foot down a few yards before the 70 sign.
even one of the bibs here saw them doing it in the same place and comented on the fact that they were there for one reson only that he could see to generate cash.
If i remember right it was tonyrec.
of course I never payed it or got any points and for fort it all the way.
they do it regualy now in the same location but aleast they stoped hiding in the bush just lately
court em doing it againg the other morning so stoped the car in the middel of the dule carage way and put the hasard lights on.
hope I
um up get some cash that day 
hence my smoked ham joke the other day but serously
i realy do think some going to tourch one, before long
pepole have had there fill of this crap.
that may be whats needed too wake em up to how pissed off the public are.
I had a nip for the same thing they were hiding in a bush
20 yards from a 70 to catch any one that put there foot down a few yards before the 70 sign.
even one of the bibs here saw them doing it in the same place and comented on the fact that they were there for one reson only that he could see to generate cash.
If i remember right it was tonyrec.
of course I never payed it or got any points and for fort it all the way.
they do it regualy now in the same location but aleast they stoped hiding in the bush just lately
court em doing it againg the other morning so stoped the car in the middel of the dule carage way and put the hasard lights on.
hope I
um up get some cash that day hence my smoked ham joke the other day but serously
i realy do think some going to tourch one, before long
pepole have had there fill of this crap.
that may be whats needed too wake em up to how pissed off the public are.
I agree that this is more about money than safety but you do have to be so careful.
As for the locus of the vans. Our scameraship people put little camera on the road side and the van is parked out of site. That could be what this was. Camera was in 40 zone so that when you see van, it's too late.
As for the locus of the vans. Our scameraship people put little camera on the road side and the van is parked out of site. That could be what this was. Camera was in 40 zone so that when you see van, it's too late.
318ti said:
As sad as it may sound to some of you, no i don't speed as i don't really want to shell out 60 quid.
They'll still get you! There will be a day when you blink and miss an inapropriate out of town 40.
As I say elsewhere my brother was a stickler for limits 'cos his job requires driving.
They just change a 70 to a 30 and put their van hidden in the 70 a few days later. Factor in a lorry between you and the 40 limit sign on a road you don't know and bingo: you'll be out of work too.
318ti said:
I think alot of people here don't understand NIP's very well.
If you fail to id the driver then they stick on the registered owner. I'm assuming in this case that they are one and the same.
You can still be disqualified under certain circs for not providing driver details.
And please stop bleating on about police as filth. Not very mature of you.
I can't wait until this issue is brought to the House of Lords or the European Courts of Justice.
This scandal will not continue!
outlaw said:
shoory to hear about this one m8. Its prity much normal pratis.
I had a nip for the same thing they were hiding in a bush
20 yards from a 70 to catch any one that put there foot down a few yards before the 70 sign.
even one of the bibs here saw them doing it in the same place and comented on the fact that they were there for one reson only that he could see to generate cash.
If i remember right it was tonyrec.
of course I never payed it or got any points and for fort it all the way.
they do it regualy now in the same location but aleast they stoped hiding in the bush just lately
court em doing it againg the other morning so stoped the car in the middel of the dule carage way and put the hasard lights on.
hope I
hence my smoked ham joke the other day but serously
i realy do think some going to tourch one, before long
pepole have had there fill of this crap.
that may be whats needed too wake em up to how pissed off the public are.
YEEEEAAAA..where you been big-lad? its been kind of quiet without you!!
or have i been reading the wrong threads?
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