A story of dishonesty, daylight robbery, disgust and deceit.
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vonhosen said:
NiceCupOfTea said:
Agreed - you'd only have to be able to tell if the next digit was a 1 or a 0 to see whether it was valid.
And on what we can see that isn't determinable.We can suppose all number of things, but the fact remains the TW gave the ticket because they were there & state they couldn't read it.
If an adjudicator sees that photo they'll go with that, not what people suppose.
Her only hope is to show the council she had a valid permit, misplaced by a small amount & plead for mercy. They don't have to show it, but they just might.
NiceCupOfTea said:
vonhosen said:
NiceCupOfTea said:
Agreed - you'd only have to be able to tell if the next digit was a 1 or a 0 to see whether it was valid.
And on what we can see that isn't determinable.We can suppose all number of things, but the fact remains the TW gave the ticket because they were there & state they couldn't read it.
If an adjudicator sees that photo they'll go with that, not what people suppose.
Her only hope is to show the council she had a valid permit, misplaced by a small amount & plead for mercy. They don't have to show it, but they just might.
They've said they couldn't read it & on the evidence before us I'd be quite happy to accept that.
vonhosen said:
NiceCupOfTea said:
vonhosen said:
NiceCupOfTea said:
Agreed - you'd only have to be able to tell if the next digit was a 1 or a 0 to see whether it was valid.
And on what we can see that isn't determinable.We can suppose all number of things, but the fact remains the TW gave the ticket because they were there & state they couldn't read it.
If an adjudicator sees that photo they'll go with that, not what people suppose.
Her only hope is to show the council she had a valid permit, misplaced by a small amount & plead for mercy. They don't have to show it, but they just might.
They've said they couldn't read it & on the evidence before us I'd be quite happy to accept that.
This doesn't seen as clear cut as you claim.
eldar said:
vonhosen said:
NiceCupOfTea said:
vonhosen said:
NiceCupOfTea said:
Agreed - you'd only have to be able to tell if the next digit was a 1 or a 0 to see whether it was valid.
And on what we can see that isn't determinable.We can suppose all number of things, but the fact remains the TW gave the ticket because they were there & state they couldn't read it.
If an adjudicator sees that photo they'll go with that, not what people suppose.
Her only hope is to show the council she had a valid permit, misplaced by a small amount & plead for mercy. They don't have to show it, but they just might.
They've said they couldn't read it & on the evidence before us I'd be quite happy to accept that.
This doesn't seen as clear cut as you claim.
An adjudicator faced with a TWs testimony & photo is going to see it as such. If you've tangible evidence to the contrary then put it up, but you have nothing but some weak supposition as to what he might have been able to see.
All the OP has realistically got, is a hope for mercy.
vonhosen said:
NiceCupOfTea said:
vonhosen said:
NiceCupOfTea said:
Agreed - you'd only have to be able to tell if the next digit was a 1 or a 0 to see whether it was valid.
And on what we can see that isn't determinable.We can suppose all number of things, but the fact remains the TW gave the ticket because they were there & state they couldn't read it.
If an adjudicator sees that photo they'll go with that, not what people suppose.
Her only hope is to show the council she had a valid permit, misplaced by a small amount & plead for mercy. They don't have to show it, but they just might.
They've said they couldn't read it & on the evidence before us I'd be quite happy to accept that.
However, if it had been me and I'd been able to make out a "1" there I'd have left it. But then I'm not a traffic warden with targets to meet.
NiceCupOfTea said:
vonhosen said:
NiceCupOfTea said:
vonhosen said:
NiceCupOfTea said:
Agreed - you'd only have to be able to tell if the next digit was a 1 or a 0 to see whether it was valid.
And on what we can see that isn't determinable.We can suppose all number of things, but the fact remains the TW gave the ticket because they were there & state they couldn't read it.
If an adjudicator sees that photo they'll go with that, not what people suppose.
Her only hope is to show the council she had a valid permit, misplaced by a small amount & plead for mercy. They don't have to show it, but they just might.
They've said they couldn't read it & on the evidence before us I'd be quite happy to accept that.
However, if it had been me and I'd been able to make out a "1" there I'd have left it. But then I'm not a traffic warden with targets to meet.
My mother has one that is hers but she doesn't drive, My brother takes her shopping three times a week so if he got a parking ticket for the blue badge not being displayed properly when it clearly states he is NOT allowed to use it does he have to pay the fine or her?
And playing devils advocate slightly, that photograph doesn't show there isn't a valid parking ticket on the vehical.
ypauly said:
NiceCupOfTea said:
vonhosen said:
NiceCupOfTea said:
vonhosen said:
NiceCupOfTea said:
Agreed - you'd only have to be able to tell if the next digit was a 1 or a 0 to see whether it was valid.
And on what we can see that isn't determinable.We can suppose all number of things, but the fact remains the TW gave the ticket because they were there & state they couldn't read it.
If an adjudicator sees that photo they'll go with that, not what people suppose.
Her only hope is to show the council she had a valid permit, misplaced by a small amount & plead for mercy. They don't have to show it, but they just might.
They've said they couldn't read it & on the evidence before us I'd be quite happy to accept that.
However, if it had been me and I'd been able to make out a "1" there I'd have left it. But then I'm not a traffic warden with targets to meet.
My mother has one that is hers but she doesn't drive, My brother takes her shopping three times a week so if he got a parking ticket for the blue badge not being displayed properly when it clearly states he is NOT allowed to use it does he have to pay the fine or her?
And playing devils advocate slightly, that photograph doesn't show there isn't a valid parking ticket on the vehical.
The badge allows them exemptions from the parking etc restrictions. If they fail to display the badge as outlined that isn't itself an offence, but it means they aren't afforded the parking exemption & as such are ticketed for the parking offence just as if they had no badge.
vonhosen said:
ypauly said:
NiceCupOfTea said:
vonhosen said:
NiceCupOfTea said:
vonhosen said:
NiceCupOfTea said:
Agreed - you'd only have to be able to tell if the next digit was a 1 or a 0 to see whether it was valid.
And on what we can see that isn't determinable.We can suppose all number of things, but the fact remains the TW gave the ticket because they were there & state they couldn't read it.
If an adjudicator sees that photo they'll go with that, not what people suppose.
Her only hope is to show the council she had a valid permit, misplaced by a small amount & plead for mercy. They don't have to show it, but they just might.
They've said they couldn't read it & on the evidence before us I'd be quite happy to accept that.
However, if it had been me and I'd been able to make out a "1" there I'd have left it. But then I'm not a traffic warden with targets to meet.
My mother has one that is hers but she doesn't drive, My brother takes her shopping three times a week so if he got a parking ticket for the blue badge not being displayed properly when it clearly states he is NOT allowed to use it does he have to pay the fine or her?
And playing devils advocate slightly, that photograph doesn't show there isn't a valid parking ticket on the vehical.
The badge allows them exemptions from the parking etc restrictions. If they fail to display the badge as outlined that isn't itself an offence, but it means they aren't afforded the parking exemption & as such are ticketed for the parking offence just as if they had no badge.
vonhosen said:
ypauly said:
NiceCupOfTea said:
vonhosen said:
NiceCupOfTea said:
vonhosen said:
NiceCupOfTea said:
Agreed - you'd only have to be able to tell if the next digit was a 1 or a 0 to see whether it was valid.
And on what we can see that isn't determinable.We can suppose all number of things, but the fact remains the TW gave the ticket because they were there & state they couldn't read it.
If an adjudicator sees that photo they'll go with that, not what people suppose.
Her only hope is to show the council she had a valid permit, misplaced by a small amount & plead for mercy. They don't have to show it, but they just might.
They've said they couldn't read it & on the evidence before us I'd be quite happy to accept that.
However, if it had been me and I'd been able to make out a "1" there I'd have left it. But then I'm not a traffic warden with targets to meet.
My mother has one that is hers but she doesn't drive, My brother takes her shopping three times a week so if he got a parking ticket for the blue badge not being displayed properly when it clearly states he is NOT allowed to use it does he have to pay the fine or her?
And playing devils advocate slightly, that photograph doesn't show there isn't a valid parking ticket on the vehical.
The badge allows them exemptions from the parking etc restrictions. If they fail to display the badge as outlined that isn't itself an offence, but it means they aren't afforded the parking exemption & as such are ticketed for the parking offence just as if they had no badge.
ypauly said:
vonhosen said:
ypauly said:
NiceCupOfTea said:
vonhosen said:
NiceCupOfTea said:
vonhosen said:
NiceCupOfTea said:
Agreed - you'd only have to be able to tell if the next digit was a 1 or a 0 to see whether it was valid.
And on what we can see that isn't determinable.We can suppose all number of things, but the fact remains the TW gave the ticket because they were there & state they couldn't read it.
If an adjudicator sees that photo they'll go with that, not what people suppose.
Her only hope is to show the council she had a valid permit, misplaced by a small amount & plead for mercy. They don't have to show it, but they just might.
They've said they couldn't read it & on the evidence before us I'd be quite happy to accept that.
However, if it had been me and I'd been able to make out a "1" there I'd have left it. But then I'm not a traffic warden with targets to meet.
My mother has one that is hers but she doesn't drive, My brother takes her shopping three times a week so if he got a parking ticket for the blue badge not being displayed properly when it clearly states he is NOT allowed to use it does he have to pay the fine or her?
And playing devils advocate slightly, that photograph doesn't show there isn't a valid parking ticket on the vehical.
The badge allows them exemptions from the parking etc restrictions. If they fail to display the badge as outlined that isn't itself an offence, but it means they aren't afforded the parking exemption & as such are ticketed for the parking offence just as if they had no badge.
Mr Green said:
And no ticket(Blue badge holders don't need to by a ticket).
They do in our town, but only in certain car parks.Quite a few have been caught like that. A nice little earner for the council.
What made it worse was that some were allegedly given wrong information by a parking attendant that no P&D purchase was necessary in that car park. He/she was wrong, that car park's T&Cs had just been changed.
Some time later along came attendant B who knew the rules and issued tickets. Hell of a to do in the paper.
F i F said:
Mr Green said:
And no ticket(Blue badge holders don't need to by a ticket).
They do in our town, but only in certain car parks.Quite a few have been caught like that. A nice little earner for the council.
What made it worse was that some were allegedly given wrong information by a parking attendant that no P&D purchase was necessary in that car park. He/she was wrong, that car park's T&Cs had just been changed.
Some time later along came attendant B who knew the rules and issued tickets. Hell of a to do in the paper.
Why do the Traffic Wardens not have access to a national data base showing all who have a valid permit etc.
Police act on the National Insurance database and SORN's etc seize cars based on the results even if not yet updated yet Traffic Wardens have to rely on a piece of paper that could be misread, faked etc. One consistent rule would be good don't you think?
Police act on the National Insurance database and SORN's etc seize cars based on the results even if not yet updated yet Traffic Wardens have to rely on a piece of paper that could be misread, faked etc. One consistent rule would be good don't you think?
Dizeee said:
I received my correspondance from the court today statingg judgement has been entered against the defendant, PCM LTD. It is quite a scant piece of paper but never the less does the job.
Hopefully they will pay up, saving me the cost of having to enforce the judgement. I am partly surprised that they did not enter some sort of defence seeing as they entered that they would, but then again, I guess this buys them time in the hope I will not bother pursuing.
Congrats. Now, you want to get their attention? Hopefully they will pay up, saving me the cost of having to enforce the judgement. I am partly surprised that they did not enter some sort of defence seeing as they entered that they would, but then again, I guess this buys them time in the hope I will not bother pursuing.
Hand deliver a nice polite letter to their registered office (and, if you can find it, their trading address) enclosing a copy of the judgment and asking for payment by the end of the week.
If you don't get payment, present a winding up petition against them on Monday morning. The threat of liquidation concentrates the mind pretty quickly...
Greg66 said:
Dizeee said:
I received my correspondance from the court today statingg judgement has been entered against the defendant, PCM LTD. It is quite a scant piece of paper but never the less does the job.
Hopefully they will pay up, saving me the cost of having to enforce the judgement. I am partly surprised that they did not enter some sort of defence seeing as they entered that they would, but then again, I guess this buys them time in the hope I will not bother pursuing.
Congrats. Now, you want to get their attention? Hopefully they will pay up, saving me the cost of having to enforce the judgement. I am partly surprised that they did not enter some sort of defence seeing as they entered that they would, but then again, I guess this buys them time in the hope I will not bother pursuing.
Hand deliver a nice polite letter to their registered office (and, if you can find it, their trading address) enclosing a copy of the judgment and asking for payment by the end of the week.
If you don't get payment, present a winding up petition against them on Monday morning. The threat of liquidation concentrates the mind pretty quickly...
I would merely add to a hand-delivered letter that should they not pay within 7 days, they will be seeing my face and their name in the local paper when I come back with a reporter for a photo-shoot and a report on their tactics.
Mr Green said:
F i F said:
Mr Green said:
And no ticket(Blue badge holders don't need to by a ticket).
They do in our town, but only in certain car parks.Quite a few have been caught like that. A nice little earner for the council.
What made it worse was that some were allegedly given wrong information by a parking attendant that no P&D purchase was necessary in that car park. He/she was wrong, that car park's T&Cs had just been changed.
Some time later along came attendant B who knew the rules and issued tickets. Hell of a to do in the paper.
The case I mentioned above some of the council car parks were free to blue badge holder and some not. The differentiation didn't make sense. Car park right next to centre with flat access, free, one top of the steepest hill and longest flight of steps* you can imagine, disabled had to pay and display. Maybe council reasoned if they could park there they weren't that disabled?
- *Not quite the 199 steps up to Whitby Abbey admittedly.
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