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From the Times again - www.timesonline.co.uk/newspaper/0,,173-935361,00.html
Speed camera fines to triple as limit is cut
BY BEN WEBSTER
THREE million motorists will get speed camera fines next year, up from 1.1 million in 2001, and the number will keep rising as the “trigger speed” is lowered, a chief constable said yesterday.
In future drivers can expect to be prosecuted at 33mph in a 30mph zone, Richard Brunstrom, the Chief Constable of North Wales and head of road policing at the Association of Chief Police Officers (Acpo), said.
Cameras are now triggered only at 35mph, but Mr Brunstrom said that forces were under pressure from road safety groups “to enforce closer to the limit”. The 35mph threshold was chosen for the margin of error in the equipment. Acpo is conducting a review, to be completed within six months, which he expected would approve a lower cutoff.
Every mile per hour above 30mph added to the risk of death or serious injury in a collision, the chief constable said. He hoped that the threshold could be lowered to 33mph during 2004.
The 40mph limit, currently enforced at 46mph, would also be reduced, possibly to 43mph. "We can reduce the margin of error in the machines and also reduce the human error factor" he said.
Mr Brunstrom said that he also wanted to see cameras placed on roads where there was no history of crashes. At present cameras can only be introduced on a road where there have been more than four deaths or serious injuries in the previous three years. Mr Brunstrom told the Commons Transport Select Committee: "The guidelines are going to have to be loosened. As we eliminate crash hotspots we are going to have to look elsewhere to reduce casualties."
Speaking outside the committee, Mr Brunstrom said that the number of camera fines this year would exceed two million. He admitted that public support for cameras had declined slightly, although he said that 75 per cent were still in favour.
Mr Brunstrom said that all forces should have the option of allowing a driver to attend a road safety course rather than receive three points for a speeding offence. At present only a handful of forces offer such courses and there is no national policy.
Mr Brunstrom also announced trials of roadside fingerprinting next summer.
Police will be able to check the identities of people they stop for motoring offences and cross reference with the National Criminal Database. Several studies have shown that people who commit motoring offences are more likely than others to be involved in other illegal activity.
Speed camera fines to triple as limit is cut
BY BEN WEBSTER
THREE million motorists will get speed camera fines next year, up from 1.1 million in 2001, and the number will keep rising as the “trigger speed” is lowered, a chief constable said yesterday.
In future drivers can expect to be prosecuted at 33mph in a 30mph zone, Richard Brunstrom, the Chief Constable of North Wales and head of road policing at the Association of Chief Police Officers (Acpo), said.
Cameras are now triggered only at 35mph, but Mr Brunstrom said that forces were under pressure from road safety groups “to enforce closer to the limit”. The 35mph threshold was chosen for the margin of error in the equipment. Acpo is conducting a review, to be completed within six months, which he expected would approve a lower cutoff.
Every mile per hour above 30mph added to the risk of death or serious injury in a collision, the chief constable said. He hoped that the threshold could be lowered to 33mph during 2004.
The 40mph limit, currently enforced at 46mph, would also be reduced, possibly to 43mph. "We can reduce the margin of error in the machines and also reduce the human error factor" he said.
Mr Brunstrom said that he also wanted to see cameras placed on roads where there was no history of crashes. At present cameras can only be introduced on a road where there have been more than four deaths or serious injuries in the previous three years. Mr Brunstrom told the Commons Transport Select Committee: "The guidelines are going to have to be loosened. As we eliminate crash hotspots we are going to have to look elsewhere to reduce casualties."
Speaking outside the committee, Mr Brunstrom said that the number of camera fines this year would exceed two million. He admitted that public support for cameras had declined slightly, although he said that 75 per cent were still in favour.
Mr Brunstrom said that all forces should have the option of allowing a driver to attend a road safety course rather than receive three points for a speeding offence. At present only a handful of forces offer such courses and there is no national policy.
Mr Brunstrom also announced trials of roadside fingerprinting next summer.
Police will be able to check the identities of people they stop for motoring offences and cross reference with the National Criminal Database. Several studies have shown that people who commit motoring offences are more likely than others to be involved in other illegal activity.
Ian964 said:
From the Times again.........
Mr Brunstrom said that he also wanted to see cameras placed on roads where there was no history of crashes.
As we eliminate crash hotspots we are going to have to look elsewhere to reduce casualties."
How can you reduce casualties, when there hasn't been any in the first place????
The man is a prize plonker!!!!
Article said:
Several studies have shown that people who commit motoring offences are more likely than others to be involved in other illegal activity.
I seem to recall that this related to stuff like driving without tax/insurance/licence. Pretty insidious to link this to an article about speeding and cameras, that latter being unable to cross-check you, the individual, with the PNC.
Ian964 said:
Several studies have shown that people who commit motoring offences are more likely than others to be involved in other illegal activity.
What complete and utter shit!
There isnt a single one of the 30 million license holders in this nation that hasnt exceeded the speed limit at some point.
So the UK is a nation of criminals then Richard?
Also to suggest that the risk of death increases with every 1mph is also utter toss.
plotloss said:As Tonyrec and the other BiB will tell us - it's the TrafPols who spot the little signs who pull the criminals - not the normal 46mph in a 40....
Several studies have shown that people who commit motoring offences are more likely than others to be involved in other illegal activity.
What complete and utter shit!
There isnt a single one of the 30 million license holders in this nation that hasnt exceeded the speed limit at some point.
So the UK is a nation of criminals then Richard?
Also to suggest that the risk of death increases with every 1mph is also utter toss.
He's knackered his own argument then in that case.
If this is true, if speed leads directly to rape, cannabis to heroin and wine gums to absinthe then how in the wide wide world of sports are camera triggering speed going to help at all?
Can you section someone without them being present?
If this is true, if speed leads directly to rape, cannabis to heroin and wine gums to absinthe then how in the wide wide world of sports are camera triggering speed going to help at all?
Can you section someone without them being present?
This is crazy - exactly what is an acceptible level of deaths on our roads? OK, I accept that we should be aiming for zero, but in reality this is going to be impossible. We are NEVER going to get to a zero death figure as accidents do happen.....
So Brunstrom is happy enough to remove all fun, entertainment, skill and independance from driving and turn it into a snails pace method of transport..... just because some "pressure group" says so! It is my belief that we are probably not far off the lowest level of deaths on our roads already. We have some way to go on the genuine loonies, but in general we have some of the safest roads in the world.... this is something to be proud of....
So what do we do? Aim for even lower deaths by taxing, forcing and prosecuting people off them..... now thats crime prevention.
What next, hike the interest rate so high that no one can afford houses - hence the burglary rate drops off the scale? Enforce a zero children policy on the nation so child murder isnt possible..... its a joke and must be stopped.
So Brunstrom is happy enough to remove all fun, entertainment, skill and independance from driving and turn it into a snails pace method of transport..... just because some "pressure group" says so! It is my belief that we are probably not far off the lowest level of deaths on our roads already. We have some way to go on the genuine loonies, but in general we have some of the safest roads in the world.... this is something to be proud of....
So what do we do? Aim for even lower deaths by taxing, forcing and prosecuting people off them..... now thats crime prevention.
What next, hike the interest rate so high that no one can afford houses - hence the burglary rate drops off the scale? Enforce a zero children policy on the nation so child murder isnt possible..... its a joke and must be stopped.
Deester said:Speedos are designed to over-read ... so accuracy should not be an issue. See also: www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?f=10&h=0&t=72339
Judging by the accuracy of an average cars speedo I see a lot of people will be more familiar with the abbreviation that is NIP!
Ian964 said:
Mr Brunstrom said that all forces should have the option of allowing a driver to attend a road safety course rather than receive three points for a speeding offence. At present only a handful of forces offer such courses and there is no national policy.
Now this is a good idea. Surely more productive than "hand us your cash - and your licence"?
Why isn't it offered nationally? The way things are going, with present policy all 32 million UK drivers will have some kind of conviction for speeding before long. People are losing their jobs and families over this (that's my bit of thinkofthechildrenism for today!), and are they learning anything?
In a word, no.
And while we're on the subject, why not introduce a road safety scheme whereby someone goes into schools and tells the kiddywinks about how to cross roads? Oh, and not to play on the roads! Don't get me started on this one though...
>> Edited by SGirl on Thursday 18th December 10:48
streaky said:
Judging by the accuracy of an average cars speedo I see a lot of people will be more familiar with the abbreviation that is NIP!
Speedos are designed to over-read ... so accuracy should not be an issue. See also: www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?f=10&h=0&t=72339
not at 30 they dont, they are more likely to UNDER read.
stooz said:
Deester said:
Judging by the accuracy of an average cars speedo I see a lot of people will be more familiar with the abbreviation that is NIP!
Speedos are designed to over-read ... so accuracy should not be an issue. See also: <a href="http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?f=10&h=0&t=72339">www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?f=10&h=0&t=72339</a>
not at 30 they dont, they are more likely to UNDER read.
It is illegal for speedos to underread. The legal limits are +10% -0%.
I just read this article in my Times with drop jawed amazement. I had to check the calendar to make sure it wasn't April 1st!
Fingerprinting at the roadside! FFS what is this
on? Why aren't his police committee standing up to him or all they all zombies? The guy is obviously off his trolley.
The comment about people who commit motoring offences being more likely to commit other crime is ridiculous and insulting to the millions of people who are being persecuted by scameras each year. Sure, people who drive uninsured, untaxed and in stolen cars are more likely to commit crime because they are criminals. People who do 43 in a 40 are not.
I cannot remember being so incensed by reading a single article in a newspaper.
Fingerprinting at the roadside! FFS what is this
on? Why aren't his police committee standing up to him or all they all zombies? The guy is obviously off his trolley. The comment about people who commit motoring offences being more likely to commit other crime is ridiculous and insulting to the millions of people who are being persecuted by scameras each year. Sure, people who drive uninsured, untaxed and in stolen cars are more likely to commit crime because they are
criminals. People who do 43 in a 40 are not. I cannot remember being so incensed by reading a single article in a newspaper.
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