Brunstrom wants our fingerprints
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Further to the post below, to the effect that Brunstrom wants any drivers who have been stopped for any offence to be put in a squad car and fingerprinted, it seems prints are then to be checked against the national database in case we happen to be wanted criminals, "since those who commit motoring offnces are also quite likely to be bank robbers paedophiles, murderers etc. "
Though Fuhrer Dick has said the trial will begin next summer, the Home Office says police have no powers at present to carry out this fingerprinting.
So if he goes ahead without a change in the law, will he be guilty of malfeasance in public office?
And of course, we could be fingerprinted for something as trivial as a blown sidelight bulb.
Blunkett should be receiving letters about this gentleman to remind him that most of the 29 million UK drivers have a vote.
>>> Edited by Tafia on Monday 22 December 15:07
Though Fuhrer Dick has said the trial will begin next summer, the Home Office says police have no powers at present to carry out this fingerprinting.
So if he goes ahead without a change in the law, will he be guilty of malfeasance in public office?
And of course, we could be fingerprinted for something as trivial as a blown sidelight bulb.
Blunkett should be receiving letters about this gentleman to remind him that most of the 29 million UK drivers have a vote.
>>> Edited by Tafia on Monday 22 December 15:07
Yes but Blunkett doesn't care about that either. He is already the one who has brought in the most anti-citizen and anti-freedom (and wants more) policies and laws since WWII.
He wants us all to be fingerprinted and iris scanned for his new ID card so what's he going to care if a few million more of us get done in the "name of saving lives on our roads".
He wants us all to be fingerprinted and iris scanned for his new ID card so what's he going to care if a few million more of us get done in the "name of saving lives on our roads".
They would have to drag me out of my car and forcibly prize my clenched fists open first!!!! I'll happily go to court and face the music rather than cave in to a Brainstorm initiative such as this.
Gawd!! My father was in the North Wales Police for 30 years, I used to have a high regard for them, I hate muggers, murderers, thieves, hooligans etc etc. I'd never knowingly deprive or hurt anybody - and now look what Brainstorm has done to me!!
Gawd!! My father was in the North Wales Police for 30 years, I used to have a high regard for them, I hate muggers, murderers, thieves, hooligans etc etc. I'd never knowingly deprive or hurt anybody - and now look what Brainstorm has done to me!!
Pies said:
Blunkett should be receiving letters about this gentleman to remind him that most of the 29 million UK drivers have a vote.
Just out of interest how would Blunkett go about reading a sack full of mail, surely somebody doesn't read each one to him
I am told such people have e-mail managers who sort the wheat from the chaff.
"Would the Minister be pleased to receive this e-mail? No? Oh, better bin it then"
Whilst I don't agree at all with this over enthusiastic crackdown on speeding motorists, I do however feel that those who have nothing to hide shouldn't be concerned about the fingerprinting idea. Fingerprints are only good for identifying the culprit if they have already been nicked for something. Therefore the more people we have fingerprint records for the better, in my view.
I'd happily go give my fingerprints at my local police station right now (although I've not committed an offence, not even a speeding one today [yet]).
I'd happily go give my fingerprints at my local police station right now (although I've not committed an offence, not even a speeding one today [yet]).
zoomzoomzoom said:
Whilst I don't agree at all with this over enthusiastic crackdown on speeding motorists, I do however feel that those who have nothing to hide shouldn't be concerned about the fingerprinting idea. Fingerprints are only good for identifying the culprit if they have already been nicked for something. Therefore the more people we have fingerprint records for the better, in my view.
I'd happily go give my fingerprints at my local police station right now (although I've not committed an offence, not even a speeding one today [yet]).
OK how about this scenario - scrote breaks into my shed and nicks my tools, which are covered in my greasy prints. Said scote then uses my tools to do another crime, leaves my tool (stop sniggering at the back) at the scene of the crime, having worn gloves himself. Given that I'm always cutting myself when using tools the police would find themselves in possession of my prints AND my DNA. QED and I'm banged up in no time.
The other problem it misunderstanding of what the evidence is particular in the case of DNA. Odds of 10 million to 1 that the DNA does not belong to the defendant does not mean >99.999% certainty that the defendant is guilty. Rather it means that the likelyhood is that at least 5 other people in the UK share the same DNA segments as the sample
zoomzoomzoom said:
Whilst I don't agree at all with this over enthusiastic crackdown on speeding motorists, I do however feel that those who have nothing to hide shouldn't be concerned about the fingerprinting idea. Fingerprints are only good for identifying the culprit if they have already been nicked for something. Therefore the more people we have fingerprint records for the better, in my view.
I'd happily go give my fingerprints at my local police station right now (although I've not committed an offence, not even a speeding one today [yet]).
But as finger prints are only currently taken by those charged with a crime then suddenly we all become criminals. THAT is the point. Next you'll be saying that you have no problem with them taking your DNA and keeping it on file!
Sorry, the "if you've got nothing to hide" line DOES NOT wash. If I have nothing to hide then why do the government want my details? Why do they want to infringe my rights and civil liberties.
At the end of the day we have fought NUMEROUS wars (including a very recent one) to give people their liberty and freedom from tyranny. I don't want it here thank you very much.
If you really don't see why there is a problem I suggest you do some hunting on the Internet for things like Amnesty International, Privacy International and other such organisations.
>> Edited by icamm on Tuesday 23 December 14:14
icamm said:
Whilst I don't agree at all with this over enthusiastic crackdown on speeding motorists, I do however feel that those who have nothing to hide shouldn't be concerned about the fingerprinting idea. Fingerprints are only good for identifying the culprit if they have already been nicked for something. Therefore the more people we have fingerprint records for the better, in my view.
I'd happily go give my fingerprints at my local police station right now (although I've not committed an offence, not even a speeding one today [yet]).
But as finger prints are only currently taken by those charged with a crime then suddenly we all become criminals. THAT is the point. Next you'll be saying that you have no problem with them taking your DNA and keeping it on file!
Sorry, the "if you've got nothing to hide" line DOES NOT wash. If I have nothing to hide then why do the government want my details? Why do they want to infringe my rights and civil liberties.
At the end of the day we have fought NUMEROUS wars (including a very recent one) to give people their liberty and freedom from tyranny. I don't want it here thank you very much.
If you really don't see why there is a problem I suggest you do some hunting on the Internet for things like Amnesty International, Privacy International and other such organisations.
>> Edited by icamm on Tuesday 23 December 14:14
well said.
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