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superlightr

12,867 posts

264 months

Saturday 27th December 2003
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Paul /Safespeed - have you thought about writing for copy correspondence/detail relating to you that Brunstorm or the police hold as they are required to give it to you for £10 under the data protection act.

Might be interesting to actually see what they hold and may take them a bit of time to get together. ie any memos/letters with your mane in it. Not sure if the police would wriggle out of providing the info but it may be good newpaper fodder.

streaky

19,311 posts

250 months

Saturday 27th December 2003
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superlightr said:
Paul /Safespeed - have you thought about writing for copy correspondence/detail relating to you that Brunstorm or the police hold as they are required to give it to you for £10 under the data protection act.

Might be interesting to actually see what they hold and may take them a bit of time to get together. ie any memos/letters with your mane in it. Not sure if the police would wriggle out of providing the info but it may be good newpaper fodder.
Given comments attributed to Brunstrom, they would probably apply the exemption from the Rights of the Data Subject given by 28(1) of the Data Protection Act 1998 (as amended by the Freedom of Information Act 2000) - "(because the data are) required for the purpose of safeguarding national security." - Streaky

haggishead

8,472 posts

253 months

Saturday 27th December 2003
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sgtRoc said:
say I have bin noticing strange cut shapes around MaidenheAD the kind you see before lights and such but in very strange places, could they be sensors of some kind are they up to something again?

Maidenhead has a SCOOT traffic signal system - adjusts the traffic light timings according to the volume of traffic (rather than fixed time plans). SCOOT has counters that feed info back to the central system to calculate the plans. Those loops you see are probably count loops.

Never been to Madenhead in my life though so they might be something else!

>> Edited by haggishead on Saturday 27th December 10:43

bluepolarbear

1,665 posts

247 months

Saturday 27th December 2003
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deltaf said:
Make sure you have backups mate, and make sure theyre encrypted and secure. Who knows what these lentilists will try next.


Only of limited use, the RIP 2000 would compel Paul to reveal the encyprtion password, failure to do so would be two years inside, and if he did tell them and told anyone that he told them it would be 5 years inside.

Roadrage

603 posts

245 months

Saturday 27th December 2003
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bluepolarbear said:

deltaf said:
Make sure you have backups mate, and make sure theyre encrypted and secure. Who knows what these lentilists will try next.



Only of limited use, the RIP 2000 would compel Paul to reveal the encyprtion password, failure to do so would be two years inside, and if he did tell them and told anyone that he told them it would be 5 years inside.


yep great country that we live in aint it.

volvod5_dude

352 posts

246 months

Saturday 27th December 2003
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I have worked in Info' warfare for MoD and it's not hard to gain admin rights even through a firewall with the sophisticated tools, which are not available to the public. No system its totally safe from government agencies, especially the one in Cheltenham. I'm not prepared to say anymore as I don't want to be found dead with my wrists cut!

Marshy

2,748 posts

285 months

Saturday 27th December 2003
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Ah, a good old bit of cloak and dagger paranoia. I'd place money on there being a much less exciting reason for the problems Paul had.

Mallory

189 posts

250 months

Saturday 27th December 2003
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volvod5_dude said:
I have worked in Info' warfare for MoD and it's not hard to gain admin rights even through a firewall with the sophisticated tools, which are not available to the public. No system its totally safe from government agencies, especially the one in Cheltenham. I'm not prepared to say anymore as I don't want to be found dead with my wrists cut!

I'm sure it would actually be hanging from a tree in the park nearby.

Paul I'm sorry to hear you've been hacked, when did it happen?
Do you have your firewall logs, do they show abnormal activity imediately before.
I know we all love a good conspiracy theory, but is it not possible that some geek got a new computer for Xmas, and your IP was chosen randomly.
Script kiddies, as opposed to old school hackers, download a tool, that looks for specific exploits in a range of addresses. Could this be a possibility?

I'm not goint to join the "Paul YHM" as any advice I could give would be heavily dependant on the exact setup of your system - and I certainly would not expect you to pass any of that information over to a complete stranger.
you might however want to consider a penetration test.

No matter how long you spend configuring it - no fire wall is infallible.
Maybe it was opportunist.
Maybe someone had a grudge (Some of you may remeber the cybercafe that burnt down - But that is another story )
Maybe Paul is actually on holiday, and soeone is using an MIM hack to publish this just to provoke a raeaction.

Oh come on - Can't I have my own conspiracy theory

sgt^Roc

512 posts

250 months

Saturday 27th December 2003
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streaky said:
[quote=sgt^Roc]... say I have bin noticing strange cut shapes around MaidenheAD the kind you see before lights and such but in very strange places, could they be sensors of some kind are they up to something again?
Could be DS2 in-road installations or part of the national traffic monitoring scheme - Streaky[/quote]

Thanks yes and you recall EVI? hat new system the DfT are considering using which will easily be able to use existing technology, or better put technology that they are installing right now "get my point"

haggishead

8,472 posts

253 months

Saturday 27th December 2003
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There is a big step from a counter loop that can recognise "That's a car, that's a bus, that's a lorry" and add them up, to a system that can go "that's a car, reg no xxx xxx belonging to yyyyyy who should be charged £zz for this journey" - one step is the technology is totally different, another (more important) step is that you can't directly charge for using roads unless you have an order in place (a Parliamentary order I believe) and you can't instal the technology either, until then.

Take it easy...

mcspreader

328 posts

262 months

Sunday 28th December 2003
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If you are concerned with the govt prying into your daily business then why? Yes maybe they can but do you think they give a shit about your mistress or gambling addiction? Like all govt, they are skint. And ...the law doesn't let them play with our internal memos. Only international. Give the big Govt a break. Unless you want the next suicide bombing your town!

Roadrage

603 posts

245 months

Sunday 28th December 2003
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mcspreader said:
If you are concerned with the govt prying into your daily business then why? Yes maybe they can but do you think they give a shit about your mistress or gambling addiction? Like all govt, they are skint. And ...the law doesn't let them play with our internal memos. Only international. Give the big Govt a break. Unless you want the next suicide bombing your town!


thats what they want you to belive

forever_driving

1,869 posts

251 months

Sunday 28th December 2003
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mcspreader said:
If you are concerned with the govt prying into your daily business then why? Yes maybe they can but do you think they give a shit about your mistress or gambling addiction? Like all govt, they are skint. And ...the law doesn't let them play with our internal memos. Only international. Give the big Govt a break. Unless you want the next suicide bombing your town!


This so called 'government' won't be getting any breaks from me until I'm dead.

Back on topic, as much as I love conspiricy theories, I don't think that anyone has that much of a point to prove to try and collapse the SS website. I'm always finding that every couple of years I have to wipe my hard drive just because some corrupt data has buggered it up.

Next, people will be suggesting that the so called 'death threats' posted here were done by Brake themselves as a publicity stunt.

deltaf

6,806 posts

254 months

Sunday 28th December 2003
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Roadrage said:

mcspreader said:
If you are concerned with the govt prying into your daily business then why? Yes maybe they can but do you think they give a shit about your mistress or gambling addiction? Like all govt, they are skint. And ...the law doesn't let them play with our internal memos. Only international. Give the big Govt a break. Unless you want the next suicide bombing your town!



thats what they want you to belive


Agreed! Sock it to em, never quit.

hertsbiker

6,317 posts

272 months

Sunday 28th December 2003
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Yeah but like the US gov, our Gov probably has lots of nasty secret little "ways in" to almost any system we have. So it may not even be "brake". Just be careful what you write peeps.

theLemming

4,319 posts

266 months

Sunday 28th December 2003
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Ah rampant paranoia, guys this would be the same government that cant even pass internal emails without someone leaking the embarrasing ones?

haggishead

8,472 posts

253 months

Sunday 28th December 2003
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Jees I thought I was cynical...

streaky

19,311 posts

250 months

Monday 29th December 2003
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theLemming said:
Ah rampant paranoia, guys this would be the same government that cant even pass internal emails without someone leaking the embarrasing ones?
This government can't even pass water without cocking that up. (Anatomically difficult I know! )

haggishead said:
Jees I thought I was cynical...
Cynic? Moi?

Streaky

_DJ_

4,901 posts

255 months

Monday 29th December 2003
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I'd guess that this was some kind of virus attack.
If someone was going to attack your system, why sound the internal speaker? There are a number of viruses which perform actions similar to those desribed (such as http://vil.nai.com/vil/content/Print98194.htm) and I've seen a few previously on Windows based OS's. Presumably you're running Windows 9x and Word on your machine?

DJ

safespeed

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2,983 posts

275 months

Monday 29th December 2003
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_DJ_ said:
I'd guess that this was some kind of virus attack.
If someone was going to attack your system, why sound the internal speaker? There are a number of viruses which perform actions similar to those desribed (such as http://vil.nai.com/vil/content/Print98194.htm) and I've seen a few previously on Windows based OS's. Presumably you're running Windows 9x and Word on your machine?


I'd agree, except I've worked for the last decade as a computer engineer and have removed hundreds of virus infections from customers computers. I've never had an infection on any of my computers. Anyway, I recovered 100% of files and there's no virus to be found.

Neither have I been able to find a virus description where the FATs are overwritten with a 32bit incrementing number.

As for sounding the system beeper, maybe that was to hide the tick, tick, tick of the hdd as the FATs were overwritten?

I can't go into any more detail in a public forum.

Best Regards,
Paul Smith
Safe Speed
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