Road rage or just plain drunk?

[canam-phil]

My son was pushed off the road onto the curb early on Christmas day morning (1am) The other driver purposely drove him off and he had to have passed the wrong side of a traffic island to do it. He didn't stop and just drove on with the passenger looking back and seeing the car on the curb. We weren't injured, just the usual stiff neck the day after.

Got the other cars number and description so called the police. Initially they did not want to attend but when I phoned and insisted they came out. Our car was still on the curb with the skid marks very visible to back up the incident.

I'm not sure whether I have any way of getting the scrotes address so that I can get photographic evidence (possibly) of the damage to his car before he has it fixed.

Any ideas anyone? I'm very interested in prosecuting the other driver if the police don't to recover uninsured losses and injury costs. Has anyone taken out procedings against another driver in similar incidents?

[DustyC]

Very similar stories here. Thought perhaps you should know as it may help you out.

www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&f=23&t=73466

[Apache]

Unfortunately the police do not want to bother themselves with these types of incident, you can do whatever you like on the roads (except speed natch) Unless you give chase and ram the bastard you wont get anywhere

[gh0st]

Apache said:

Unfortunately the police do not want to bother themselves with these types of incident, you can do whatever you like on the roads (except speed natch) Unless you give chase and ram the bastard you wont get anywhere

And then you will get prosecuted for every single law known to man while scrote gets away with a huge payout for stress and psychological damage.

Are there any good places to live on the Moon or has president bliar got that place under his control yet?

[canam-phil]

I fear Apache is right about the BIB not being interested in nabbing this type of criminal. But my reading is that this driver will constantly be a potential killer on the roads if he carries on. Its this type of vicious driving that would have been dealt with by a prosecution leading to a ban in the past that may have changed this drivers habits.

Make no mistake, this driver has offended before, you dont drive like he did as a one off on an empty road without intending to.

When are the BIB interested in stopping crime, perhaps some BIB on here can comment?

[silverback mike]

BIB are interested in stopping crime wherever it manifests itself.

[canam-phil]

silverback mike said:

BIB are interested in stopping crime wherever it manifests itself.

I'm sorry to say that on this occasion the 999 line did not show the remotest interest in following up saying that cases such as my son first reported are dealt with as purely insurance matters. They had no interest in following up what could have been far more serious. in terms of injury caused by a rager or a drunk.

It seems to me that if you are cause of an accident with no independant witnesses, then drive off and when you are interviewed (much later if at all) then just say you were not there.

My view is if you drive away without stopping then you generally have something to hide.

[forever_driving]

Where are these safety cameras when you need them eh?

I know it's too late now for your son, but I've found it invaluble to go on a defensive driving course a while ago. Not that I've needed to do J turns to escape my assassins yet . Seriously though, it's worthwhile doing if this incident has shaken him up even in the slightest.

[Steve-B]

just *always* say someone is injured. then when you find the scrote you can call the BiB in, as you'll have an incident number.

injury can be psychological IMHO.

[canam-phil]

Steve-B said:

just *always* say someone is injured. then when you find the scrote you can call the BiB in, as you'll have an incident number. injury can be psychological IMHO.

I mentioned that they refused to attend when my son called. When I made the call I said that the passenger was suffering an injury and they did attend. So Steve's advice really works. I now have the necessary incident number.

Does anyone know how I can get a forensic test on the paint left on my car together with a traffic accident analysis done on the skid marks on the road that we photographed?

I am determined to follow up on this 'cos I now have his address and I will prosecute privately if necessary.

[Dwight VanDriver]

Re paint samples.

You will need sample from your car damaged area.
You will need control sample from your car undamaged area.

By another person:
You will need sample from damaged area of other car
You will need control sample from undamaged area of other car.

You will need Forensic analysis of these to prove contact. Home Office do not do it private cases. If IRC
many years ago Manchester Uni used to do them. HO Forensics may have a list of private contractors - address from Plod. Don't forget also that you will have to prove continuity of samples from vehicles to Forensic to the nth degree.

So you prove contact. Next thing how do you prove who was the driver?.

Have you a NOIP served on Reg Keeper?

Naming and shaming to get details of driver can only be done by Chief Plod. So you ask the owner, Guess what he will say???? What proof have you who it was?.

With what you've got I doubt Mags Clerk is going entertain a private prosecution.

No disrespect to BiB on site but it is incidents like these where no action is taken that the respect by public is lost. Ten to one if investigated an OPB would be filled with offences.

DVD
Narpo rules

>> Edited by Dwight VanDriver on Tuesday 30th December 15:34

[silverback mike]

canam-phil said:

Steve-B said: just *always* say someone is injured. then when you find the scrote you can call the BiB in, as you'll have an incident number. injury can be psychological IMHO. I mentioned that they refused to attend when my son called. When I made the call I said that the passenger was suffering an injury and they did attend. So Steve's advice really works. I now have the necessary incident number. Does anyone know how I can get a forensic test on the paint left on my car together with a traffic accident analysis done on the skid marks on the road that we photographed? I am determined to follow up on this 'cos I now have his address and I will prosecute privately if necessary.

If you told the 'civilian' 999 operator that you were reporting a fail to stop injury RTA then the job should have been passed to officers to attend and deal, also to circulate obs for the vehicle.

As I said earlier, the police deal with crime. You have a valid complaint.

The conversation will have been taped, quote the time you called in a letter to complaints, and it will be investigated.

However, you must be able to substantiate the fact that there is an injury.

Even if there are allegations, an officer attends.

If your son stated that he had no injury, the offender had gone, and there was no blockage, there would be no point in officers attending where you were, the offender had gone, and no injury was caused, and you have insurance.
However, what you must check, is whether a log was raised, so that observations / registered keeper check could be carried out. If they didn't bother, then that is wrong, and another cause of valid complaint.

I hate drink / drugged / non insured drivers, and from the pointy end, all police officers want to catch the lot of them.
Please do not think the 'Police' can't be bothered due to a numpty in a call centre not doing their job.
We can be bothered.

You would not believe the amount of complete rubbish we attend to.


>> Edited by silverback mike on Tuesday 30th December 15:54

>> Edited by silverback mike on Tuesday 30th December 15:56

[canam-phil]

Dwight VanDriver said:

So you prove contact. Next thing how do you prove who was the driver?. Have you a NOIP served on Reg Keeper? Naming and shaming to get details of driver can only be done by Chief Plod. So you ask the owner, Guess what he will say???? What proof have you who it was?. >> Edited by Dwight VanDriver on Tuesday 30th December 15:34

My son could identify him very positively along with his passenger. They got a very good look at both the other driver and his passenger. But all this seems too far to go for a RTA. I must have been watching too many cop films on TV!!!!

[hertsbiker]

get a 4x4.... you don't get hassled anywhere near as much.