Speeding whilst overtaking
Discussion
Kewy said:
blueg33 said:
I got 3 points and a £60m fine in August from a policeman for speeding whilst overtaking. I was caught by a laser and pulled over by an un-marked car. They wouldnt take the "I was overtaking" as a defence.
That is one seriously hefty fine.
JNW1 said:
And I reckon the two groups are often one of the same; when people have no interest in something they're often not very good at it and driving is no exception.
IMO people of the mindset "my car's purely a method of getting from A to B" should have stayed on public transport; the roads would be much quieter and the vast majority of poor drivers would be sat on buses or trains instead of in cars. Sadly, though, the "cars are for everyone" genie has been out of the bottle for many years and there's no putting it back in now; net result is those who do take an interest in driving are dumbed-down to the (low) level of those who don't.....
I think that many would argue the polar opposite! Cars are primarily a means of transport and those that think they are primarily for the recreation of a few enthusiasts are the ones that should be on the bus!IMO people of the mindset "my car's purely a method of getting from A to B" should have stayed on public transport; the roads would be much quieter and the vast majority of poor drivers would be sat on buses or trains instead of in cars. Sadly, though, the "cars are for everyone" genie has been out of the bottle for many years and there's no putting it back in now; net result is those who do take an interest in driving are dumbed-down to the (low) level of those who don't.....
Bert
I just pass cars in front of me using the throttle and then slow down again to an unobtrusive cruise. I have data on my sat nav showing likely camera locations (often on the safest overtaking zones) Mobiles or fixed scams can be visually acquired with that type of warning so, with advanced knowledge of where to look and 300bhp (a safe minimum - have 2 cars at that power output), I can still use the road space the revenue generators have decided to occupy on a good number of occasions.
I seldom look at the indicated speed during the process - do I 'speed' ?- really I dunno. I use enough speed to get past the particular queue of lemmings that's in my way and safely back to the left with plenty of visual room. Fortunately most lemmings telegraph an over-take that may interrupt mine with bizarre wobbles and positioning so I can hang back for dumbasses that never check behind.
If I see a scammer / fixed scam then obviously the process is changed slightly; if I can't get past at under the NSL / 50mph limit I do get a tad pissed off but just wait for the next opportunity. Seldom happens.
ASCs are more of a concern (and get used a lot more now on NSL). If they get the new Road Angel right (it computes averages and advises 'head room' to next scam location) one of those will probably open up most overtakes in such areas again, as the lemmings generally do 10mph below posted.
Happy days.
I seldom look at the indicated speed during the process - do I 'speed' ?- really I dunno. I use enough speed to get past the particular queue of lemmings that's in my way and safely back to the left with plenty of visual room. Fortunately most lemmings telegraph an over-take that may interrupt mine with bizarre wobbles and positioning so I can hang back for dumbasses that never check behind.
If I see a scammer / fixed scam then obviously the process is changed slightly; if I can't get past at under the NSL / 50mph limit I do get a tad pissed off but just wait for the next opportunity. Seldom happens.
ASCs are more of a concern (and get used a lot more now on NSL). If they get the new Road Angel right (it computes averages and advises 'head room' to next scam location) one of those will probably open up most overtakes in such areas again, as the lemmings generally do 10mph below posted.
Happy days.
Edited by Davidonly on Sunday 29th July 11:46
BertBert said:
JNW1 said:
And I reckon the two groups are often one of the same; when people have no interest in something they're often not very good at it and driving is no exception.
IMO people of the mindset "my car's purely a method of getting from A to B" should have stayed on public transport; the roads would be much quieter and the vast majority of poor drivers would be sat on buses or trains instead of in cars. Sadly, though, the "cars are for everyone" genie has been out of the bottle for many years and there's no putting it back in now; net result is those who do take an interest in driving are dumbed-down to the (low) level of those who don't.....
I think that many would argue the polar opposite! Cars are primarily a means of transport and those that think they are primarily for the recreation of a few enthusiasts are the ones that should be on the bus!IMO people of the mindset "my car's purely a method of getting from A to B" should have stayed on public transport; the roads would be much quieter and the vast majority of poor drivers would be sat on buses or trains instead of in cars. Sadly, though, the "cars are for everyone" genie has been out of the bottle for many years and there's no putting it back in now; net result is those who do take an interest in driving are dumbed-down to the (low) level of those who don't.....
Bert
I also stand by my sentiment expressed earlier; in my experience people who have an interest in an activity - and take a pride in doing it well - are far more likely to be good at that activity than someone who has little or no interest in it. Ergo, IMO those who have no interest in driving other than as a means of getting from A to B are likely to be poorer drivers than those who are interested in doing it well (and for the avoidance of doubt I'm not equating doing it well to driving quickly!).
JNW1 said:
IMO people of the mindset "my car's purely a method of getting from A to B" should have stayed on public transport
Which would be fine if said public transport left from my drive at a time of my choosing and went directly to my random destination, otherwise I guess I will have to use my car or pushbike.giantdefy said:
JNW1 said:
IMO people of the mindset "my car's purely a method of getting from A to B" should have stayed on public transport
Which would be fine if said public transport left from my drive at a time of my choosing and went directly to my random destination, otherwise I guess I will have to use my car or pushbike.RemyMartin81D said:
Kewy said:
blueg33 said:
I got 3 points and a £60m fine in August from a policeman for speeding whilst overtaking. I was caught by a laser and pulled over by an un-marked car. They wouldnt take the "I was overtaking" as a defence.
That is one seriously hefty fine.
Davidonly said:
ASCs are more of a concern (and get used a lot more now on NSL). If they get the new Road Angel right (it computes averages and advises 'head room' to next scam location) one of those will probably open up most overtakes in such areas again, as the lemmings generally do 10mph below posted.
Happy days.]
Most reasonably modernish cars have a trip computer of some sort that show average speed. Happy days.]
It's an easy process to re-set it for each ASC and then you know what your average speed is/was and can overtake when appropriate without worrying too much about the finer details of what your speedo displays during overtakes.
Graveworm said:
I am assuming this is a wind up.. But in case it isn't .. You anchor up knowing the dangers in case you are speeding. Then say you are going to lie about why. You are happy to risk potentially fatal consequences for you, and everyone else concerned. You will go on to put up with all the other hassle of an accident (Even non fault) to avoid the trivial hassle of knowing the speed limit and how fast you are driving? Technology these days does all this for you, in most cars and can be easily added to those that don't.
That's about the size of it. But lets put some realities into your indignation. Primarily paying attention to the road around me an the hazards, I'm not going to be sitting in a position where there is somebody close enough to me to cause any significant damage if I suddenly slow, unless of course they're not paying attention. The point here is that I totally give greater credence to paying attention to your surrounds, conditions, driving etc., than to fixating on an arbitrary speed. None of this requires any speeding to actually have taken place, merely a fear of being caught out for doing 25 in a 20 which should really be a 40, or whatever.Edited by Graveworm on Friday 27th July 17:12
But sure, get worked up about an Internet post, that'll help. Touch wood, I don't have any points, so seems to be driving the right behaviour.
-Dash- said:
That's about the size of it. But lets put some realities into your indignation. Primarily paying attention to the road around me an the hazards, I'm not going to be sitting in a position where there is somebody close enough to me to cause any significant damage if I suddenly slow, unless of course they're not paying attention. The point here is that I totally give greater credence to paying attention to your surrounds, conditions, driving etc., than to fixating on an arbitrary speed. None of this requires any speeding to actually have taken place, merely a fear of being caught out for doing 25 in a 20 which should really be a 40, or whatever.
But sure, get worked up about an Internet post, that'll help. Touch wood, I don't have any points, so seems to be driving the right behaviour.
But that wasn't quite what your said in your previous post now was it? To paraphrase, you said I stamp on the brakes and I don't give a toss if someone drives intro me. I'll claim I had to do an emergency brake for a deer or something. So now it seems your tough words aren't quite as tough as first presented.But sure, get worked up about an Internet post, that'll help. Touch wood, I don't have any points, so seems to be driving the right behaviour.
JNW1 said:
Oh indeed so, most of us are now very reliant on the car and, as I said before, the genie's out of the bottle and there's no putting it back. However, IMHO having a large number of cars in the hands of people who have no interest in motoring goes a long way to explaining a lot of the poor driving we see on our roads.
Just as likely that the morons who believe they have an interest in motoring and that they are good drivers, but then apparently charge about not caring whether they’re rear ended or not, push others off the road and ‘touch wood’ as they avoid collecting penalties they would appear to deserve, explains poor standards a lot more clearly. The stupidity is astounding sometimes; the advice to surrender their licences is apt.
BertBert said:
But that wasn't quite what your said in your previous post now was it? To paraphrase, you said I stamp on the brakes and I don't give a toss if someone drives intro me. I'll claim I had to do an emergency brake for a deer or something. So now it seems your tough words aren't quite as tough as first presented.
REALIST123 said:
JNW1 said:
Oh indeed so, most of us are now very reliant on the car and, as I said before, the genie's out of the bottle and there's no putting it back. However, IMHO having a large number of cars in the hands of people who have no interest in motoring goes a long way to explaining a lot of the poor driving we see on our roads.
Just as likely that the morons who believe they have an interest in motoring and that they are good drivers, but then apparently charge about not caring whether they’re rear ended or not, push others off the road and ‘touch wood’ as they avoid collecting penalties they would appear to deserve, explains poor standards a lot more clearly. The stupidity is astounding sometimes; the advice to surrender their licences is apt.
I also don't understand why you think someone who takes a pride in their driving wouldn't be bothered about being rear-ended or would seek to push others off the road? If you go back to what I said earlier I did make it clear that I didn't equate good driving to fast or aggressive driving but I guess you just chose to ignore that bit?
I do agree there's lots of stupid and clueless driving on our roads but I think where we disagree is on the section of the motoring population which is most likely to be responsible for it!
REALIST123 said:
Just as likely that the morons who believe they have an interest in motoring and that they are good drivers, but then apparently charge about not caring whether they’re rear ended or not, push others off the road and ‘touch wood’ as they avoid collecting penalties they would appear to deserve, explains poor standards a lot more clearly.
The stupidity is astounding sometimes; the advice to surrender their licences is apt.
+1 ^The stupidity is astounding sometimes; the advice to surrender their licences is apt.
ghe13rte said:
REALIST123 said:
Just as likely that the morons who believe they have an interest in motoring and that they are good drivers, but then apparently charge about not caring whether they’re rear ended or not, push others off the road and ‘touch wood’ as they avoid collecting penalties they would appear to deserve, explains poor standards a lot more clearly.
The stupidity is astounding sometimes; the advice to surrender their licences is apt.
+1 ^The stupidity is astounding sometimes; the advice to surrender their licences is apt.
I'll try very hard not to go down the puerile ad hom route the pair of you have chosen...….. Instead of posting anecdotal assumptions; possibly one of you could have provided some evidence to refute JNW1's claim and to back up yours? Do you agree that the pair of you would look extremely foolish if there was evidence to show you were wrong and JNW1 was correct? JNW1 claims that the " just a means of getting from A to B " type, who take little interest in the process of driving, are responsible for many of the examples of poor driving seen on the roads. That is a logical assumption but clearly you do not agree and believe instead that people who take in interest in driving are actually morons who charge about pushing others off the road.
If you are correct then it is logical to expect that accident data would show a disproportionately large number of cars driven by enthusiasts i.e sports cars, performance cars, hot hatches ( Porsches, Audis, BMW, Mercs etc ) to be involved in accidents. If JNW1 is correct then you would expect there to be a larger number of incidents involving the type of car driven by the A to B types i.e. basic MPVs, entry level hatchbacks ( Entry level Vauxhalls, Fords, French mpvs, Hondas )
The govenment's make and model data appears to indicate you owe JNW1 an apology...……...or are you going to continue posting nonsense on each and every thread where speed is discussed on PH?
https://data.gov.uk/dataset/cb7ae6f0-4be6-4935-927...
Edited by Crackie on Sunday 5th August 20:43
ghe13rte said:
REALIST123 said:
Just as likely that the morons who believe they have an interest in motoring and that they are good drivers, but then apparently charge about not caring whether they’re rear ended or not, push others off the road and ‘touch wood’ as they avoid collecting penalties they would appear to deserve, explains poor standards a lot more clearly.
The stupidity is astounding sometimes; the advice to surrender their licences is apt.
+1 ^The stupidity is astounding sometimes; the advice to surrender their licences is apt.
Crackie said:
ghe13rte said:
REALIST123 said:
Just as likely that the morons who believe they have an interest in motoring and that they are good drivers, but then apparently charge about not caring whether they’re rear ended or not, push others off the road and ‘touch wood’ as they avoid collecting penalties they would appear to deserve, explains poor standards a lot more clearly.
The stupidity is astounding sometimes; the advice to surrender their licences is apt.
+1 ^The stupidity is astounding sometimes; the advice to surrender their licences is apt.
I'll try very hard not to go down the puerile ad hom route the pair of you have chosen...….. Instead of posting anecdotal assumptions; possibly one of you could have provided some evidence to refute JNW1's claim and to back up yours? Do you agree that the pair of you would look extremely foolish if there was evidence to show you were wrong and JNW1 was correct? JNW1 claims that the " just a means of getting from A to B " type, who take little interest in the process of driving, are responsible for many of the examples of poor driving seen on the roads. That is a logical assumption but clearly you do not agree and believe instead that people who take in interest in driving are actually morons who charge about pushing others off the road.
If you are correct then it is logical to expect that accident data would show a disproportionately large number of cars driven by enthusiasts i.e sports cars, performance cars, hot hatches ( Porsches, Audis, BMW, Mercs etc ) to be involved in accidents. If JNW1 is correct then you would expect there to be a larger number of incidents involving the type of car driven by the A to B types i.e. basic MPVs, entry level hatchbacks ( Entry level Vauxhalls, Fords, French mpvs, Hondas )
The govenment's make and model data appears to indicate you owe JNW1 an apology...……...or are you going to continue posting nonsense.
https://data.gov.uk/dataset/cb7ae6f0-4be6-4935-927...
Shocker.
A number of regulars and numerous 'newbies' posting emotive crap about dead children, probably either brainwashed by the endless propaganda or just the sort of individual that has a passing vehicle at 40mph down as doing 60 when asked.
And Gerty pushing his sales pitch because the more people that buy into it the bigger his pay-packet is and the more secure his employment. And a job stacking shelves is the only other job fit for him.
A number of regulars and numerous 'newbies' posting emotive crap about dead children, probably either brainwashed by the endless propaganda or just the sort of individual that has a passing vehicle at 40mph down as doing 60 when asked.
And Gerty pushing his sales pitch because the more people that buy into it the bigger his pay-packet is and the more secure his employment. And a job stacking shelves is the only other job fit for him.
-Dash- said:
This. I always slam on the anchors when I see a "safety camera" pointing at me. Is it unsafe to do this? Probably. Hopefully whatever ploughs into the back of me has low enough mass not to cause me serious injury. Car will be repaired or replaced, non-fault accident after all: "I thought I saw a deer about to dart across the road".
No way I'm knowingly going to walk into a fine/points/increased insurance if I can avoid it.
And none of the above even requires I'm speeding, but with silly 20mph limits, and poor signage everywhere, I'm not going to risk thinking I've got the correct limit. Drop your speed, assess the conditions, drive carefully on looking at only your speedo.
"OMG, you should know the limit already", I know that's the theory, but I'm more interested in driving safely than playing number-wang with arbitrary numbers.
Other top tips for avoiding speeding cameras, especially on motorways and the like where most people speed, is: to drive unreasonably and arguably dangerously close to the car in front, to avoid that laser from catching you unaware. Unless it's proper cops, it's only speed they care about so you won't get done for driving too close.
And at the end of it all, remember that "safety" cameras drive good and safe behaviour on the roads.
<ignites touchpaper>
Schools out post, or complete and utter No way I'm knowingly going to walk into a fine/points/increased insurance if I can avoid it.
And none of the above even requires I'm speeding, but with silly 20mph limits, and poor signage everywhere, I'm not going to risk thinking I've got the correct limit. Drop your speed, assess the conditions, drive carefully on looking at only your speedo.
"OMG, you should know the limit already", I know that's the theory, but I'm more interested in driving safely than playing number-wang with arbitrary numbers.
Other top tips for avoiding speeding cameras, especially on motorways and the like where most people speed, is: to drive unreasonably and arguably dangerously close to the car in front, to avoid that laser from catching you unaware. Unless it's proper cops, it's only speed they care about so you won't get done for driving too close.
And at the end of it all, remember that "safety" cameras drive good and safe behaviour on the roads.
<ignites touchpaper>
?My anecdote on this topic:
We were experiencing the A82 from Fort William to Tyndrum (spectacular, highly recommended) and I was following a HGV. Single carriageway, very light rain good visibility. HGV indicates that its safe to pass, I pull out to have a look, decide it is a bit marginal and pull in again. He signals left to suggest the same. I have a pretty new BMW 5 series behind also keen to pass. He does it again in a couple of miles, and this time overtake was on. Car I was in has plenty of power so used a good amount to overtake, definitely exceeded the limit, probably 80-85 mph. Slowed down again to 60-65 when manoeuvre was complete. BMW follows me past.
BMW stays pretty close and I get the feeling he wants to go faster than I do, but there's slower traffic ahead. Follows me for a mile or so, next thing I know blues light up (this is an unmarked car) and I instantly back off the power. BMW comes past and I thought I was done for, 3 points minimum. Then blues go off and he continues down the road. I am stting it now, but nothing happens. 5er does a number of other passes ahead of my overtaking motorhomes as is common up there in August. I follow and continue to overtake at a distance. Nothing else happens.
Eventually we catch up as other traffic pulls off to look at the views and we are behind the trafpol again. He lights up again, turns into a side road and goes back in the other direction.
We were experiencing the A82 from Fort William to Tyndrum (spectacular, highly recommended) and I was following a HGV. Single carriageway, very light rain good visibility. HGV indicates that its safe to pass, I pull out to have a look, decide it is a bit marginal and pull in again. He signals left to suggest the same. I have a pretty new BMW 5 series behind also keen to pass. He does it again in a couple of miles, and this time overtake was on. Car I was in has plenty of power so used a good amount to overtake, definitely exceeded the limit, probably 80-85 mph. Slowed down again to 60-65 when manoeuvre was complete. BMW follows me past.
BMW stays pretty close and I get the feeling he wants to go faster than I do, but there's slower traffic ahead. Follows me for a mile or so, next thing I know blues light up (this is an unmarked car) and I instantly back off the power. BMW comes past and I thought I was done for, 3 points minimum. Then blues go off and he continues down the road. I am s
tting it now, but nothing happens. 5er does a number of other passes ahead of my overtaking motorhomes as is common up there in August. I follow and continue to overtake at a distance. Nothing else happens.Eventually we catch up as other traffic pulls off to look at the views and we are behind the trafpol again. He lights up again, turns into a side road and goes back in the other direction.
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