Is it legal to go all the way round a Mini- roundabout ?
Discussion
citizen_smith said:
Highway code rule 188 said:
Mini roundabouts......... Avoid making U-turns at mini roundabouts, beware of others doing this.
S0 it's not illegal, as there is no "MUST NOT", but obviously not recommended.
iamed said:
A recent change to the HC relevant to mini-roundabouts: "All vehicles MUST pass round the central markings except large vehicles which are physically incapable of doing so."
Obviously this is ridiculous. Slowing down to pick your way around a mini-roundabout when you're going straight on is only going to serve to confuse other road users of your true intention...
Obviously this is ridiculous. Slowing down to pick your way around a mini-roundabout when you're going straight on is only going to serve to confuse other road users of your true intention...
Edited by gareth_r on Friday 27th November 11:45
Simbu said:
Saw someone in a classic mini go one better than a u turn on a mini roundabout. Roundabout had two lanes on approach (it was basically a glorified T junction). Anyway, there was a huge queue of traffic wanting to turn left, so mini flies up the right lane which was empty, does a 270 degree turn to go left! Perfectly legal manuveure but i imagine it left alot of drivers peeved! Only in Swindon 
Don't you mean a 450 degree turn.........?JumboBeef said:
Simbu said:
Saw someone in a classic mini go one better than a u turn on a mini roundabout. Roundabout had two lanes on approach (it was basically a glorified T junction). Anyway, there was a huge queue of traffic wanting to turn left, so mini flies up the right lane which was empty, does a 270 degree turn to go left! Perfectly legal manuveure but i imagine it left alot of drivers peeved! Only in Swindon
Don't you mean a 450 degree turn.........?
oldsoak said:
JumboBeef said:
Simbu said:
Saw someone in a classic mini go one better than a u turn on a mini roundabout. Roundabout had two lanes on approach (it was basically a glorified T junction). Anyway, there was a huge queue of traffic wanting to turn left, so mini flies up the right lane which was empty, does a 270 degree turn to go left! Perfectly legal manuveure but i imagine it left alot of drivers peeved! Only in Swindon
Don't you mean a 450 degree turn.........?turn right x 1 = 90
+
turn right x 1 = 180 (back the way you came)
+
turn right x 1 = 270
Edited by Ledaig on Friday 27th November 12:29
Ledaig said:
oldsoak said:
JumboBeef said:
Simbu said:
Saw someone in a classic mini go one better than a u turn on a mini roundabout. Roundabout had two lanes on approach (it was basically a glorified T junction). Anyway, there was a huge queue of traffic wanting to turn left, so mini flies up the right lane which was empty, does a 270 degree turn to go left! Perfectly legal manuveure but i imagine it left alot of drivers peeved! Only in Swindon
Don't you mean a 450 degree turn.........?turn right x 1 = 90
+
turn right x 1 = 180 (back the way you came)
+
turn right x 1 = 270
:confussed:
oldsoak said:
Ledaig said:
oldsoak said:
JumboBeef said:
Simbu said:
Saw someone in a classic mini go one better than a u turn on a mini roundabout. Roundabout had two lanes on approach (it was basically a glorified T junction). Anyway, there was a huge queue of traffic wanting to turn left, so mini flies up the right lane which was empty, does a 270 degree turn to go left! Perfectly legal manuveure but i imagine it left alot of drivers peeved! Only in Swindon
Don't you mean a 450 degree turn.........?turn right x 1 = 90
+
turn right x 1 = 180 (back the way you came)
+
turn right x 1 = 270
:confussed:
450 would give you a 1 & 1/4 phase turn which would have you turning right.
Or am I missing a Swindon in joke?
Ledaig said:
oldsoak said:
Ledaig said:
oldsoak said:
JumboBeef said:
Simbu said:
Saw someone in a classic mini go one better than a u turn on a mini roundabout. Roundabout had two lanes on approach (it was basically a glorified T junction). Anyway, there was a huge queue of traffic wanting to turn left, so mini flies up the right lane which was empty, does a 270 degree turn to go left! Perfectly legal manuveure but i imagine it left alot of drivers peeved! Only in Swindon
Don't you mean a 450 degree turn.........?turn right x 1 = 90
+
turn right x 1 = 180 (back the way you came)
+
turn right x 1 = 270
:confussed:
450 would give you a 1 & 1/4 phase turn which would have you turning right.
Or am I missing a Swindon in joke?
(basically a T junction...two lanes on approach..left turn lane backed up, takes right lane does a 270 and still manages to turn left?...He would need to do at least a 360 to go back the way he'd come from...
oldsoak said:
Ledaig said:
oldsoak said:
He would need to do at least a 360 to go back the way he'd come from...
Is that the manoeuvre commonly known as a 180?You approach roundabout heading North, exits are West(left) and East(Right), this forms the T junction. You need to turn West, so you enter roundabout and turn 90deg to face East, you turn another 90deg to face South, you turn a further 90deg to face West - your exit left. Total 270deg
Show me where I'm missing something (please)
Although you do go all the way around the roundabout, you don't turn 360 +90 to do so.
Edited by Ledaig on Friday 27th November 14:08
Ledaig said:
oldsoak said:
Ledaig said:
oldsoak said:
He would need to do at least a 360 to go back the way he'd come from...
Is that the manoeuvre commonly known as a 180?You approach roundabout heading North, exits are West(left) and East(Right), this forms the T junction. You need to turn West, so you enter roundabout and turn 90deg to face East, you turn another 90deg to face South, you turn a further 90deg to face West - your exit left. Total 270deg
Show me where I'm missing something (please)
Ok....
at this T-junction -cum-roundabout...
If you turn immediately left you have turned 90 degrees ...Yes?
If there was a straight on road (which there isn't) that would be 180 degrees...yes?
If you went through the 180 and turned right you would have completed 270 degrees ...is it sinking in yet?
Go another 90 degrees (making 360) and you go back the way you came...travel another 90 degrees and you are back to that left turn again and you have completed how many degrees...go on take your socks off if it helps...
oldsoak said:
Ledaig said:
oldsoak said:
Ledaig said:
oldsoak said:
He would need to do at least a 360 to go back the way he'd come from...
Is that the manoeuvre commonly known as a 180?You approach roundabout heading North, exits are West(left) and East(Right), this forms the T junction. You need to turn West, so you enter roundabout and turn 90deg to face East, you turn another 90deg to face South, you turn a further 90deg to face West - your exit left. Total 270deg
Show me where I'm missing something (please)
Ok....
at this T-junction -cum-roundabout...
If you turn immediately left you have turned 90 degrees ...Yes?
If there was a straight on road (which there isn't) that would be 180 degrees...yes?
If you went through the 180 and turned right you would have completed 270 degrees ...is it sinking in yet?
Go another 90 degrees (making 360) and you go back the way you came...travel another 90 degrees and you are back to that left turn again and you have completed how many degrees
oldsoak said:
[...go on take your socks off if it helps...
Cheeky git this is gonna run.......
oldsoak said:
Ledaig said:
oldsoak said:
Ledaig said:
oldsoak said:
He would need to do at least a 360 to go back the way he'd come from...
Is that the manoeuvre commonly known as a 180?You approach roundabout heading North, exits are West(left) and East(Right), this forms the T junction. You need to turn West, so you enter roundabout and turn 90deg to face East, you turn another 90deg to face South, you turn a further 90deg to face West - your exit left. Total 270deg
Show me where I'm missing something (please)
Ok....
at this T-junction -cum-roundabout...
If you turn immediately left you have turned 90 degrees ...Yes?
If there was a straight on road (which there isn't) that would be 180 degrees...yes?
If you went through the 180 and turned right you would have completed 270 degrees ...is it sinking in yet?
Go another 90 degrees (making 360) and you go back the way you came...travel another 90 degrees and you are back to that left turn again and you have completed how many degrees...go on take your socks off if it helps...
To complete a 360 turn (on it's axis)the car would have to be facing the way it started the manouvre. Which it never is if you circle a rbt once, you would have to complete 1 1/2 rbt to achieve that.
So the 270 degree calc makes sense when measured on the cars axis.
But I also agree that to complete 1 1/4 turns of a roundabout would equal a manouvre covering 360 + 90= 450 degrees.
Think the viewpoints are using two different basis for the calc.
Get's flame suit.
oldsoak said:
Ledaig said:
oldsoak said:
He would need to do at least a 360 to go back the way he'd come from...
Is that the manoeuvre commonly known as a 180?Edited by oldsoak on Friday 27th November 14:03
To go straight on would be 0 degrees, to turn around and come back the way you came from would be 180 degrees and to go round the roundabout completely and straight on would be 360.
3/4 of the way round is 270 degrees clockwise and has the same effect as 90 degrees anticlockwise
Grebby said:
oldsoak said:
Ledaig said:
oldsoak said:
He would need to do at least a 360 to go back the way he'd come from...
Is that the manoeuvre commonly known as a 180?Edited by oldsoak on Friday 27th November 14:03
To go straight on would be 0 degrees, to turn around and come back the way you came from would be 180 degrees and to go round the roundabout completely and straight on would be 360.
3/4 of the way round is 270 degrees clockwise and has the same effect as 90 degrees anticlockwise
This is all going to end in tears
Ledaig said:
Greenpis said:
Could be both rightish???
Oi you can pack that in for a start Need to add, that a car when negotiating a rbt, inluding mini, does not turn on it's axis. It follows the circumference of the rbt island or marking, so on that basis it would be a 450 degree turn.
Alternatively if you handbrake turn over a mini rbt marking, extremely accurately, you may be able to class this as the car turning on it's axis. Giving a 270 degree turn, possible but bleeding difficult.
Greenpis said:
Ledaig said:
Greenpis said:
Could be both rightish???
Oi you can pack that in for a start Need to add, that a car when negotiating a rbt, inluding mini, does not turn on it's axis. It follows the circumference of the rbt island or marking, so on that basis it would be a 450 degree turn.
Alternatively if you handbrake turn over a mini rbt marking, extremely accurately, you may be able to class this as the car turning on it's axis. Giving a 270 degree turn, possible but bleeding difficult.
Ledaig said:
oldsoak said:
Ledaig said:
oldsoak said:
Ledaig said:
oldsoak said:
He would need to do at least a 360 to go back the way he'd come from...
Is that the manoeuvre commonly known as a 180?You approach roundabout heading North, exits are West(left) and East(Right), this forms the T junction. You need to turn West, so you enter roundabout and turn 90deg to face East, you turn another 90deg to face South, you turn a further 90deg to face West - your exit left. Total 270deg
Show me where I'm missing something (please)
Ok....
at this T-junction -cum-roundabout...
If you turn immediately left you have turned 90 degrees ...Yes?
If there was a straight on road (which there isn't) that would be 180 degrees...yes?
If you went through the 180 and turned right you would have completed 270 degrees ...is it sinking in yet?
Go another 90 degrees (making 360) and you go back the way you came...travel another 90 degrees and you are back to that left turn again and you have completed how many degrees
oldsoak said:
[...go on take your socks off if it helps...
Cheeky git this is gonna run.......
OK so I've nowt better to do and it is Friday so what the 'l'
Zero degrees is your starting point...lets call it South (just for $hits and giggles you understand?) If you are on a roundabout west(left) is 90 degrees North is 180 degrees and east (right) is 270, you need to pass west north and east to get back to south where you started. On doing that you have completed 360 degrees...in fact turned a full circle. Now WAKE UP AT THE BACK THERE! travel a further 90 degrees and you are back at the West (left) turn 360 plus 90 is....?
na na ne nah nah...you suck at geometry!
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