smoking weed at home?

[hairykrishna]

Frix said:

horton said:

Mg6b said:

If your complainant can smell it strongly, I suggest you do an inventory visit to check stuff there.
Model tennants have been known to have ripped the interior of the house out to construct a cannabis factory causing tens of thousands of pounds damage.

Model cannabis factory tennants usually pay the rent on time and are no trouble whatsover because they don't want to attract attention that might uncover their nefarious activities and cause them a financila loss of both equipment and crops!

If your tennants in the 'odious' property pay by cash, I would get round there double quick!

what an idiot.

If you wished to grow marijuana at home, you would not need to rip out the interior of the house to grow it.
As a commercial enterprise you could have a very very good income from the amount grown in one small bedroom, however without major air filtration systems the entire street would smell it.

The difference in smell between someone either smoking a few joints a day/having a couple of plants and the smell from a commercial growing setup that requires ripping out the interior is huge.

Considering how much money is involved in a large scale growing operation, you would have enough money to rent a farmhouse in the middle of nowhere, rather than a flat with nosey neighbours.

I think this couple of posts demostrates which one of the posters has the experience of street cannabis factories.

For those of you that haven't - horton is also in your camp.

OP - nice friendly visit to make sure everyone knows where they stand. If you have driven past the place recently and it had snow on the roof like everyone else then it probably isn't a factory. Personal would still land you in the doo-doo though if it is permitted by you.

To be honest there are both types, right? Small scale where some has lined a bedroom/cupboard with plastic and is growing a few plants for personal consumption and/or to turn over a few ounces a month for extra income. Large scale where the the majority of the interior is gone and there are a few hundred plants under 10's of kilowatts of lights.

My guess is that it's neither of those things, they just like to have a joint in the evening and the neighbour is being an arse.

[Decky_Q]

As has been said before call round tell the good tenants the craic and that they need to be more low key or go outside to smoke their joints or smoke them up the fire place, and explain your legal responsibilities. I think this will resolve the issue completely if it is actually ganga rather than damp which can smell very similar.

[Mg6b]

horton said:

what an idiot.

You obviously know about this then,
How many cannabis factories have you been to in the last 10 years?

horton said:

If you wished to grow marijuana at home, you would not need to rip out the interior of the house to grow it.

You obviously have no idea about what you type!

horton said:

As a commercial enterprise you could have a very very good income from the amount grown in one small bedroom, however without major air filtration systems the entire street would smell it.

Really?

horton said:

The difference in smell between someone either smoking a few joints a day/having a couple of plants and the smell from a commercial growing setup that requires ripping out the interior is huge.

Another uninformed statement!

horton said:

Considering how much money is involved in a large scale growing operation, you would have enough money to rent a farmhouse in the middle of nowhere, rather than a flat with nosey neighbours.

Cannabis factories are set up in all sorts of houses. Some are in houses on expensive housing estates, some are set up in town centre flats, many are set up and successfully managed and run without neighbours or landlords suspecting anything, especially if the tennant pays up on time and has no reason to have the landlord pay an unannounced visit.

Many cannabis factories are discovered when a neighbour reports a 'funny smell'!

This 'idiot' has seen on many occasions the damage caused by cannabis set ups in residential housing in all sorts of areas and assisted in the dismantling and evidence gathering!
What an idiot

[Mg6b]

Frix said:

OP - nice friendly visit to make sure everyone knows where they stand. If you have driven past the place recently and it had snow on the roof like everyone else then it probably isn't a factory. Personal would still land you in the doo-doo though if it is permitted by you.

I have been to houses where the four bedrooms and the lounge have been converted to nurseries and growing areas. All the equipment is in the living areas within the house. The loft is only used to store redundant equipment, growing material and root balls. There would be no heat within the loft area to melt the snow.
Many cannabis factories have had a diversion of the mains electricity to bypass the meter. The landlord can be left with the resulting horrendous bill to sort out, including the costs of repairs to rectify the damage caused to the supply connections.

[Mg6b]

Oi! Horton!
http://images.google.co.uk/imgres?imgurl=http://ww...fficial%26sa%3DN%26um%3D1

Edited by Mg6b on Sunday 17th January 21:55

[Scraggles]

or to make it easier to see

http://www.propertyweek.com/Pictures/460xAny/l/f/j...

Looks like a nice little farm

Guess the farmers would not worry if chemicals or water is spilt onto the floor

[Mg6b]

Scraggles said:

or to make it easier to see

http://www.propertyweek.com/Pictures/460xAny/l/f/j...

Looks like a nice little farm

Guess the farmers would not worry if chemicals or water is spilt onto the floor

Thanks!
I am much better at cannabis farms than I am at links and computer stuff!

They don't. I have been to expensive property where the whole house apart from one small room has been chopped to bits with large ducting systems cut into and passing through ceilings to upstairs rooms. the one small room is usually the kitchen area if it big enough because that is where the 'minder' lives and cooks etc.
Floors are not protected from spillages of either water or chemicals and walls have holes cut through them to facilitate the hydroponic systems and electrical networks required to drive the fans and the lighting/extraction/timing switches. Racking is often constructed to support water tanks and feeder reservoirs where they screw battons to the ceilings. Racking is also used to section off seperate areas for the different stages of growing so there is a continual supply of growth from seeds to mature plants. The racking is lined with temporary wall coverings. The floors are sometimes ripped up where suspended wooden flooring is in place to get at gas and electricity supplies and divert them.

Sometimes it takes days to dismantle these factories and often several skips full of detritis and equipment for destruction, not to speak of the crop itself!

Last year in my area, we had dozens of these factories discovered, some having been in production for many months before they were discovered. Landlords are not suprisingly shockced at the damage and destruction. Furnished properties are often emptied of furniture by the tennants who sell it or just dispose of it in any way that suits them. The damage is more often uninsured as the premises are mostly let whilst mortgaged without the permission of the lender.
Not many landlords insure against this sort of problem and are left holding the extortionate bill for repairs and energy bills that would make your eyes pop out!
This is mainly because they are being paid cash for rent on the nail every month without question, delivered to the landlords hand at the landlords request so he doesn't even have to even leave his own house to go and obtain it. Being paid cash means they are also not liable for tax on their income from the rent and they are very happy that the tennant is so obliging to help them out like that until..................they get a knock on the door when the police want to speak to them about the shell of their former property!


Then, six months tax free rent at £1200 per month seems short shrift with a £30000 bill to stump up for repairs and payment of gas and electricity bills.

Still, I am only an idiot, what would I know???? .

Edited by Mg6b on Sunday 17th January 23:25

[Decky_Q]

my friends neighbours turned out to be a chinese gang who had done exactly as described, pulled down the non supporting walls and had buggered up the electric supply, the guy that was in the property was locked in there and slept in the porch as the rest of the house was for growing weed. It took a few skips to clear it away, and there were maybe 15 or so stacks of plant pots that were about 7foot high!

[Menguin]

Mg6b, while I respect you obviously have experience on the good side of the law regarding your so called 'cannabis factories' or grow rooms as they are more often called by non bib, I think you have misconstrued what Horton was saying.

Of course it is possible to rip out the interior of a house to grow weed, I'm sure you've seen exactly that. Horton however stated that you don't have to rip out the whole of the interior to grow, which is correct.

Maybe calling you an idiot got your back up, but his point stands. Growing weed in a house does not automatically mean either: Not growing or: Cannabis factory. You can, as Horton eluded to, grow enough weed to be very comfortably off from only 1 good sized bedroom - you don't have to be some sort of wannabe Mr Marks and rip out the whole house.

Regarding the difference in smell, I can see both points of view. As someone who has partaken in the 'evil' herb and somehow not ruined his life (in my eyes, anyway ) the smell of growing compared to the smell of smoking is completely, utterly different. I could (and would be eager to try ) confidently pass a series of blind smell tests in this area. However, I can accept that to the average joe, the smell of cannabis is the smell of cannabis, whether it emanates from a cutting, a full grown female, a joint or a bong.

So, if our landlord OP has a cannabis factory, it could be as bad as Mg6b makes out, or it could be a professional couple who aren't so keen on stella every friday night, and like to entertain themselves with a harmless plant, possibly even growing some in the spare room (so they don't have to buy from the evil dealer who funds terrorists, of course).

[mattdaniels]

Phone the alleged potheads and say that one of the neighbours has mentioned a smell of weed and ask them if they've smelt it as well, and if so, which flat they think its coming from. Tell them that you're just trying to find out if the neighbour is imagining it or not, because you appreciate it's a serious issue and whoever is doing it is getting their landlord in trouble so you want to go and have a quiet word with them.

I'll bet they'll tell you they haven't smelt anything but will let you know, the smell will magically stop happening and you can tell your other tenant you responded to the issue she raised.

[Scraggles]

house needs an inspection, if the house is not full of weed, then a little chat is needed, if you get loads of excuses as to why you can't visit the house, let the police know...

[andy_s]

Did anyone read the OPs OP? There's no massive factory with Columbian drug lords with mini-uzis and forests of Bob Hope wafting in the breeze, there's a slight smell of puff (i.e. dope-smoke) in the mornings.

PH's, drama matters.

[catso]

andy_s said:

Did anyone read the OPs OP? There's no massive factory with Columbian drug lords with mini-uzis and forests of Bob Hope wafting in the breeze, there's a slight smell of puff (i.e. dope-smoke) in the mornings.

PH's, drama matters.

Unless the OP knocks on the door and hears those immortal words 'Say hello to my little friend'.

Edited by catso on Monday 18th January 14:05

[Ganglandboss]

Can the OP not just demand a cut in the profits?

[hornetrider]

Ganglandboss said:

Can the OP not just demand a cut in the profits?

Or a cut off the plant?

[Mg6b]

Menguin said:

Of course it is possible to rip out the interior of a house to grow weed, I'm sure you've seen exactly that. Horton however stated that you don't have to rip out the whole of the interior to grow, which is correct.

I am well aware of that. I have found hydropnic set ups in wardrobes!
That is hardly likely to have a neighbour complain of a 'funny smell'
Many of the factories that are discovered are discovered because of a change in wind direction and neighbours becoming suspicious of activity and odour. This would not necessarily happen with a small system in the corner of a room. A large number of plants together give off a substantial odour!

Menguin said:

Maybe calling you an idiot got your back up, but his point stands. Growing weed in a house does not automatically mean either: Not growing or: Cannabis factory. You can, as Horton eluded to, grow enough weed to be very comfortably off from only 1 good sized bedroom - you don't have to be some sort of wannabe Mr Marks and rip out the whole house.

My point about that was that the original OP posted something that has in my experience lead to the discovery of cannabis factories. Rent paid on time with no problems from the tennant, oftne paid in cash and then the report of funny smells by neighbours leading to suspicions about the activity or lack of it at the house during normal hours including window blackouts and only activity late at night when equipment is brought in or out under cover of darkness along with the harvested crop and its resulting waste.

Menguin said:

Regarding the difference in smell, I can see both points of view. As someone who has partaken in the 'evil' herb and somehow not ruined his life (in my eyes, anyway ) the smell of growing compared to the smell of smoking is completely, utterly different. I could (and would be eager to try ) confidently pass a series of blind smell tests in this area. However, I can accept that to the average joe, the smell of cannabis is the smell of cannabis, whether it emanates from a cutting, a full grown female, a joint or a bong.

Many people will not know what cannabis smells like, either smoked or growing. Many people who live in celubrious housing areas will not have come into contact with this sort of activity or even realise a smell could be associated with cannabis. Not everyone is 'scrolling their nurds' on the stuff either. If you have never had any dealings with cannabis, how would you know what it is?

Menguin said:

So, if our landlord OP has a cannabis factory, it could be as bad as Mg6b makes out, or it could be a professional couple who aren't so keen on stella every friday night, and like to entertain themselves with a harmless plant, possibly even growing some in the spare room (so they don't have to buy from the evil dealer who funds terrorists, of course).

I doubt the smell of a couple of burning refers wafting out of the kitchen window would cause anyone any concern unless they had a real issue with the people doing it or the landlord relating to other agenda!

The opening gambit of Horton basically showed that he knows little about this sort of activity and quite frankly, I have been called a lot worse than 'what an idiot' .
He is probaby right in some aspects of my life. I say it to myself often enough!
Personally, I don't care about the OP's problem. I posted to give him a clue that he 'might' have a problem if he was unaware about how cannabis factories happen.
Whether he acts on that tip is up to him. It will not affect me in one way or another unless I am correct, it is in my area, I have to provide the staff to take it apart and then investigate who was responsible!

[Mg6b]

andy_s said:

Did anyone read the OPs OP? There's no massive factory with Columbian drug lords with mini-uzis and forests of Bob Hope wafting in the breeze, there's a slight smell of puff (i.e. dope-smoke) in the mornings.

PH's, drama matters.

It's usually Vietnamese not Collumbian!

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Update:

First I spoke to the complaining tenant to explain that while i would be speaking to the smoking tenant I was not really in a position and didnt want to start telling him what to do in the four walls he calls home. What i was prepared to do is tell him that the smell is causing her some discomfort and to see if he can do "something diferent" to help. I also explain to her that as she is already aware these tenants are good lads and im sure she could end up with far worse if they were to leave. They never hold parties never play music loud etc etc, in the early hours of a sunday morning they are more likely to be found fishing at the local resorvoir than partying!! she fully understands what im saying and is very happy for me to just bring it to their attention and not to, "lay down the law".

Called around and spoke to the smoking tenant, (only one of them enjoys a smoke) explained to him that the neighbour had asked me to mention to him that her Kitchen has a really strong smell of weed usually in the morning and could I just "mention it to him".

He said he used to have a smoke at the window but the particular "roll ups" that he smokes are so strong that he was concerned the smoke would waft in through one of her windows. In other words he was trying to help by keeping the window shut! he fully understands because he admits these "rollups" are really strong. his words were "It f*****g Stinks"

He is cool with everything and now that its been brought it to his attention he will smoke his "roll ups" at the other side of the house at the window and this should resolve the problem.


Both tenants happy, Me happy

cheers for all the replies, some of them very amusing.

[Ganglandboss]

Glad it's all sorted. Just to be sure of no future complaints, why not get some of the model tenant's stash, let yourself into the moaning tenant's house and slip a bit in her tea pot? It might chill her out a bit.

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Ganglandboss said:

Glad it's all sorted. Just to be sure of no future complaints, why not get some of the model tenant's stash, let yourself into the moaning tenant's house and slip a bit in her tea pot? It might chill her out a bit.