Oh goody, I've got myself a section 59.

Oh goody, I've got myself a section 59.

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thinfourth2

32,414 posts

205 months

Tuesday 9th February 2010
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djohnson said:
10 Pence Short said:
Where's Von...?
At Tescos with a fresh pad of s59 notices for the local shoppers?
I'm sorry madam grey cars cause me offence here have a section 59

NEXT

I'm sorry you have a can of spam in the car it causes me offence here have a section 59

NEXT

I'm sorry madam I don't like the radio station you are listening too here have a section 59

Next

I'm sorry madam etc and so on





T89 Callan

8,422 posts

194 months

Tuesday 9th February 2010
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14-7 said:
ZOLLAR said:
T89 Callan said:
More illegal and unjust abuse and punishment aimed at innocent members of the public under the banner of section 59

I hope all the PH police are proud of yourselves and your colleagues, well done to all involved.
Talk about "Tarring with the same brush" rolleyes Not all the Bib use their power incorrectly!
Yes, but it's far easier to tar all the Bib with the same brush isn't it?

In this case the bobby has been out of order and even I reckon a complaint is needed if the OPs story is 100% accurate.
Maybe if the Police were actually shamed by these bullying illegal incidents that they and their colleagues perpotrate then they might actually do something about it?

Maybe if as a group they realise that these incidents are unnacepatable and disgusting they may actually take action and stop reeling out they same old 'it was just one bad egg' line over and over again.

If you keep adding on 'one bad egg' over and over agin you end up with lots and lots of bad eggs.

Then there is the question of why this Police acted in this manner? Maybe he was a bullying before he became a Police? Or maybe he is just following the example of his trainers, his superiors and his peers? If you see people acting in a way for long enough it becomes acceptable.... it's even more widely acknowledged that people are easily lead by people in positions of power and will do out of character and sometimes unspeakable things when ordered to or lead by example, especially when it's their livelyhood involved.

A very close freind of mine joined the Police last year and some of the things he has told me about the way his colleagues treat the public have truly shocked me.... but what has shocked me more is that a man who I knew to be about the nicest person I know has become increasingly blase' (in the space of less than a year) about these incidents, they don't shock or ven offend him anymore. And that is very very sad that a group of his colleagues who supposedly serve the public have dragged him down with them.

Maybe the Police should use incidents like this as a spring board to take action and make change instead of just brushing it under the carpet and blaming someone else?

GC8

19,910 posts

191 months

Tuesday 9th February 2010
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A very good friend of mine joined when we were younger: and became the biggest prick that I have come across.

bluepolarbear

1,665 posts

247 months

Tuesday 9th February 2010
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ookware said:
IfWhen you get no luck with the letter to the CC
For the OP remember the S59 applies to you when driving any car and your car when driven by any driver.

erdnase

1,963 posts

202 months

Tuesday 9th February 2010
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Well done guys - we've got to 3 pages without any "I suspect we may not be getting the full story.." type replies smile

OP, good luck with getting this sorted. S.59 seems like a much abused piece of legislation.

skwdenyer

16,622 posts

241 months

Tuesday 9th February 2010
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Quinny said:
T89 Callan said:
A very close freind of mine joined the Police last year and some of the things he has told me about the way his colleagues treat the public have truly shocked me.... but what has shocked me more is that a man who I knew to be about the nicest person I know has become increasingly blase'
Over the years I've known a few guys and gals who've joined up.... Some are still serving others aren't......

Not one of them is the same person that I knewfrown


In fact a very good friend of mine's son joined up 2 years ago.... His dad has seen such a change in him, he says he's not sure he's his son anymorefrown

He actually said... "I'm not sure I even like him anymore".... Pretty sad thing for a dad to say about a lad that was the apple of his eyefrown

Somthing in the training isn't working
On the contrary, it seems that something in the training is working only too well. It just doesn't seem that that "something" is especially in tune with the needs, desires or - more importantly - consent of the public.

mat205125

17,790 posts

214 months

Tuesday 9th February 2010
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Where's Von tonight?

Dracoro

8,691 posts

246 months

Tuesday 9th February 2010
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mat205125 said:
Where's Von tonight?
As said earlier, out giving people S59's biggrin

I think he's allowed to a life outside PH so he's probably working biggrin

vonhosen

40,281 posts

218 months

Tuesday 9th February 2010
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10 Pence Short said:
Where's Von...?
wavey

BliarOut

72,857 posts

240 months

Tuesday 9th February 2010
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Quick boys, it's the rozzers biggrin

hondafanatic

4,969 posts

202 months

Tuesday 9th February 2010
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BliarOut said:
Quick boys, it's the rozzers biggrin
Say nothing...it's the only way.

fluffnik

20,156 posts

228 months

Tuesday 9th February 2010
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S59 is evil, those who deploy it should be regarded as the enemy.

We should not be tolerating this fascist twuntery.

fluffnik

20,156 posts

228 months

Tuesday 9th February 2010
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FishFace said:
I don't think you need a letter of literary genius to address this. Go and have a chat with the duty Inspector at the local nick.
Yes he does, it won't just go away if there's a letter.

fluffnik

20,156 posts

228 months

Tuesday 9th February 2010
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T89 Callan said:
14-7 said:
In this case the bobby has been out of order and even I reckon a complaint is needed if the OPs story is 100% accurate.
Maybe if the Police were actually shamed by these bullying illegal incidents that they and their colleagues perpotrate then they might actually do something about it?
Maybe if some of the unsuitable ones, as described by the OP, got sacked we'd all be better off...

skwdenyer

16,622 posts

241 months

Wednesday 10th February 2010
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fluffnik said:
T89 Callan said:
14-7 said:
In this case the bobby has been out of order and even I reckon a complaint is needed if the OPs story is 100% accurate.
Maybe if the Police were actually shamed by these bullying illegal incidents that they and their colleagues perpotrate then they might actually do something about it?
Maybe if some of the unsuitable ones, as described by the OP, got sacked we'd all be better off...
Or perhaps if we, as a society, demand the return of proper "due process" then things will improve?

rypt

2,548 posts

191 months

Wednesday 10th February 2010
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saaby93 said:
What I dont like about this is that you get one numpty officer and everyone thinks all officers are the same, and all officers think that everyone's implying they're the same, none of which is good.
Abuse of power (which what issuing an S59 when no offence has occurred) is still a criminal act afaik, as such perhaps if the other BiB cared about their collective reputation they should go and arrest and build a case against their fellow abusing officers.

berg1

224 posts

174 months

Wednesday 10th February 2010
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Dracoro said:
mat205125 said:
Where's Von tonight?
As said earlier, out giving people S59's biggrin

I think he's allowed to a life outside PH so he's probably working biggrin
or checking his insurance policy

Ross1988

1,234 posts

184 months

Wednesday 10th February 2010
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I've not read the thread in its entirety, but was it traffic police who pulled you?

I've been pulled by normal cops and traffic cops, and the traffic cops seem to be so much more courteous and respectful towards road users.

The traffic police who pulled me on Saturday night were a delight to talk to and I had a jolly good natter with them, I appreciated the fact they pulled me as they were checking most 'sporty' (yeah yeah, I laughed as well) cars, as a few had been stolen, and had started a routine check in the area.


Some bobbies have been right sausages though, I know there in the minority but they do still exist.



andrewrob

2,913 posts

191 months

Wednesday 10th February 2010
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Ross1988 said:
I've not read the thread in its entirety, but was it traffic police who pulled you?

I've been pulled by normal cops and traffic cops, and the traffic cops seem to be so much more courteous and respectful towards road users.

The traffic police who pulled me on Saturday night were a delight to talk to and I had a jolly good natter with them, I appreciated the fact they pulled me as they were checking most 'sporty' (yeah yeah, I laughed as well) cars, as a few had been stolen, and had started a routine check in the area.


Some bobbies have been right sausages though, I know there in the minority but they do still exist.
I think he said it was an Astra so probably not traffic just normal ones as you say

saaby93

32,038 posts

179 months

Wednesday 10th February 2010
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Ross1988 said:
I've not read the thread in its entirety, but was it traffic police who pulled you?
Are there any left confused
I thought they'd all been privatised to HATOs, CPOs and parking wardens frown