RE: Slow Down Luv
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What a bunch of arse.
Another Great British Dumb Down Alert methinks.
Of course it seems unlikely to change so long as people fall into line with the party line, as it were.
JMGS4's bang on with his comment about 'free roads for free people.'
Pork away with Captain Gatso in the built up areas as I'm sure most of us have no desire to drive like complete idiots but on the open road where the kipper roams free, it should be as Phil Lynott once gloriously implored, "You can do anything you wanna do!"
I mean this morning, en route in, the NSL once again demonstrated it's manifest irrelevence and I'm not saying that for any reason other than to pronounce the chasmic insanity of restrictions based on the dynamic environment of a 1960s car/driver interface compared to that currently often in evidence, as shown by the handful of early morning fellow blastees all cluttering the way at 100 mph or so.
Once again, the basic premise is ok, as Don says but I cannot help but slate the constant need of these dim witted civil service mandarins to so incessantly extinguish the fires of psychological predisposition to the very notion of speeding itself.
I love speed and driving damn fast but only where appropriate (yawn) but that doesn't include indecent acts of inner city Novatude.
Why don't these people go and arrest some bloody terrorists instaed of mithering the tax payer so pitifully?
Another Great British Dumb Down Alert methinks.
Of course it seems unlikely to change so long as people fall into line with the party line, as it were.
JMGS4's bang on with his comment about 'free roads for free people.'
Pork away with Captain Gatso in the built up areas as I'm sure most of us have no desire to drive like complete idiots but on the open road where the kipper roams free, it should be as Phil Lynott once gloriously implored, "You can do anything you wanna do!"
I mean this morning, en route in, the NSL once again demonstrated it's manifest irrelevence and I'm not saying that for any reason other than to pronounce the chasmic insanity of restrictions based on the dynamic environment of a 1960s car/driver interface compared to that currently often in evidence, as shown by the handful of early morning fellow blastees all cluttering the way at 100 mph or so.
Once again, the basic premise is ok, as Don says but I cannot help but slate the constant need of these dim witted civil service mandarins to so incessantly extinguish the fires of psychological predisposition to the very notion of speeding itself.
I love speed and driving damn fast but only where appropriate (yawn) but that doesn't include indecent acts of inner city Novatude.
Why don't these people go and arrest some bloody terrorists instaed of mithering the tax payer so pitifully?
Avocet said:
DfT said:
"...an average car travelling at 35 mph will need an extra 21 feet (or six metres) more to stop, than one travelling at 30 mph."
A few months ago I was at the launch of Volkswagen's new Transporter van. We got the chance to drive them on a test track and the people there wanted to impress us with it's ABS. He got me to drive it at 40 (yes 40) MPH towards a box marked out with cones that included a dog-leg bend and told me not to brake until he said so. The first time, I bottled-out and stood on the brake pedal much too early. The second time I managed to force myself to hang on and stopped within the box. I was truly amazed. It took about 4 van lengths to come to camplete stop and the van is about 15 feet long.
So where the hell do they get their "extra 21 feet at 35" from if a bloody VAN (FFS) can come to a complete stop from 40mph in about 60 feet whilst swerving??????
OK, it was unladen but even so it was probably heavier than the average hatchback AND had a much higher centre of gravity!
Because they base the figures on old Ford Anglias!
Have sturdy Morris 1000 - 30mph feels fast in that! Car could kill at 20mph as it is heavy! Overall stopping distance for this vehicle at 30 is per the article!
The Jag, on the other hand at 35mph, stops impressively without the whisper of a slide in less than half this distance.
Flat in Fifth said:Ah, but Sir John Stevens says that school-run-mums can drive at 25 or 26 mph in those areas ... so that's OK
[ ... ] then you get a certain Mary person on the radio claiming that if we reduce all limts around town to 20 mph then deaths will be reduced by 60%.
Yes she really did say that!
- Streaky
Drive as you were taught and engage your fecking brain safespeed said:
safespeed said:
I have read newspaper reports suggesting that at least 2/3rds of speed cameras are outside built up areas. Good data on camera locations is hard to come by.
Could you not ask the GPS companies to share their databases? Presumably they have the coordinates for most known fixed cameras and known mobile sites?
Yes. I tried that. They regard their camera information as commercially sensitive. I presume they are scared of folk forming the opinion that they might not have all the camera sites. I can't say I really understood it, but I got the same answer from all of them last summer.
Perhaps they also worry about my work helping spoil their gravy train?
Best Regards,
Paul Smith
Safe Speed
www.safespeed.org.uk
Try this link:
www.pocketgps.co.uk/uksafetycameras.php
You can import it into AutoRoute etc. I found it fairly accurate, some are missing but better than nothing. The amount around oxford is crazy
I would have so much more respect for the campaigns if there was at least the same amount spent to ensure that pedestrians of all ages regard roads as dangerous places - It doesn't really matter if I am driving at 15 or 38mph - if someone steps straight out in front of me it will hurt.
Lets see education/preaching/nannying for ALL road/pavement users, not just the motorist who pays for the facility. When did you last see the green cross code or any other such system advertised?
Lets see education/preaching/nannying for ALL road/pavement users, not just the motorist who pays for the facility. When did you last see the green cross code or any other such system advertised?
andyps said:
I would have so much more respect for the campaigns if there was at least the same amount spent to ensure that pedestrians of all ages regard roads as dangerous places - It doesn't really matter if I am driving at 15 or 38mph - if someone steps straight out in front of me it will hurt.
Lets see education/preaching/nannying for ALL road/pavement users, not just the motorist who pays for the facility. When did you last see the green cross code or any other such system advertised?
Hear! Hear!
Do not get me started on the hedgehogs with the unintelligible song again! Have already been told to write to the your DfT with alternative! Only, the alternative as given by my kids needs an 18 cert! They would probably lock me up for bringing my kids up to be too realistic!
The great Jimmy Young sounded off about cyclists in the "Sunday Express" a couple of weeks ago! Today's paper carried some readers' letters which were probably written by Nanny T2000 wallies - namely that we drivers congest, pollute and murder more vulnerable road users! One quoted Amsterdam as shining example of cycle paths! Yes, and they FINE cyclists who fail to use them - as they do in Northern Germany!
The problem is not just pedestrians who don't look where they're going - this week I had a youngster try to sprint across a slip-road leading to a motorway just as I was turning into it. He had clearly seen me, but he slipped on a rough surface and sprawled headlong in front of me. I wasn't in a hurry and I had the advantage of Porsche brakes - I stopped in a very short distance, much to his obvious relief! He was fast enough to have been clean across the road well before I got there if he hadn't fallen, but as it was, he and I were grateful for quick reactions and good brakes!
Question: If a car is travelling at 30mph and a squealer(kid) jumps out in front of it, the driver slams on the brakes and just stops with the bumper resting against the aforementioned darwinised kids legs,(big breath) then how fast would the same car HIT the kids legs at if he was doing 35mph when the kid jumped out in front of him?
My guess is that itd be around 10mphor whatever maybe? (my mafematical brains aint good
) so from the above scenario, its obvious that at 35 mph no kids would die....cos youll only hit em at a low speed.
Raise it to 40 and see what happens......
>> Edited by deltaf on Sunday 15th February 23:11
My guess is that itd be around 10mphor whatever maybe? (my mafematical brains aint good
) so from the above scenario, its obvious that at 35 mph no kids would die....cos youll only hit em at a low speed. Raise it to 40 and see what happens......
>> Edited by deltaf on Sunday 15th February 23:11
deltaf said:
Question: If a car is travelling at 30mph and a squealer(kid) jumps out in front of it, the driver slams on the brakes and just stops with the bumper resting against the aforementioned darwinised kids legs,(big breath) then how fast would the same car HIT the kids legs at if he was doing 35mph when the kid jumped out in front of him?
21.7mph (assuming good modern brakes in both cases (0.9g braking), and assuming 0.75 seconds reaction time in both cases)
Fortunately (for us) real world accident data proves that the scenario is far too artificial to be useful. See this Safe Speed page:
www.safespeed.org.uk/thatad.html
Best Regards,
Paul Smith
Safe Speed
www.safespeed.org.uk
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