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Todays Western mail has an article entitled 'College rethink on speed camera event'
[url]http://icwales.icnetwork.co.uk/0100news/0200wales/content_objectid=13965871_method=full_siteid=50082_headline=-College%2Drethink%2Don%2Dspeed%2Dcamera%2Devent-name_page.html[/url]
Seems that Paul and Francis are becoming dangerous people to be associated with.
Really. how dare you mock (or should that be question) the rhetoric.
If they allow the event to go ahead, 2 tickets please.
[url]http://icwales.icnetwork.co.uk/0100news/0200wales/content_objectid=13965871_method=full_siteid=50082_headline=-College%2Drethink%2Don%2Dspeed%2Dcamera%2Devent-name_page.html[/url]
Seems that Paul and Francis are becoming dangerous people to be associated with.
Really. how dare you mock (or should that be question) the rhetoric.
If they allow the event to go ahead, 2 tickets please.
viggen114 said:
Todays Western mail has an article entitled 'College rethink on speed camera event'
[url]http://icwales.icnetwork.co.uk/0100news/0200wales/content_objectid=13965871_method=full_siteid=50082_headline=-College%2Drethink%2Don%2Dspeed%2Dcamera%2Devent-name_page.html[/url]
Seems that Paul and Francis are becoming dangerous people to be associated with.
Really. how dare you mock (or should that be question) the rhetoric.
If they allow the event to go ahead, 2 tickets please.
First I've heard of this sabotage attempt. I'll follow it up and report back.
Best Regards,
Paul Smith
Safe Speed
www.safespeed.org.uk
Here we go. Note the "think of the children" type quote: "[Professor Jo Sibert, head of child health at the college,] said, "Anyone who has ever talked to parents who have lost a child in a road traffic accident would realise that anything we can do to reduce the heartbreak a brain-damaged or dead child causes is important."
Why does "anything" always mean cameras and speed limits? Never (or very seldom), road engineering, barriers, EDUCATION, etc? Wonderful for a university, not to mention "education"
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Streaky
Why does "anything" always mean cameras and speed limits? Never (or very seldom), road engineering, barriers, EDUCATION, etc? Wonderful for a university, not to mention "education"
. Streaky
Update:
The college of medicine has cancelled it with profuse apologies. The senior chap at the college of medicine says he has to act to protect the college from adverse publicity. He might even be right.
Idris is presently organising an alternative venue, from a list of prior possibles. It sound like we should be able to go ahead as planned but at a different venue.
The other side is scared and the tricks are getting dirtier. I guess we'll have a load more of this crap. Never mind. It's a sure sign that we have them on the run.
Best Regards,
Paul Smith
Safe Speed
www.safespeed.org.uk
The college of medicine has cancelled it with profuse apologies. The senior chap at the college of medicine says he has to act to protect the college from adverse publicity. He might even be right.
Idris is presently organising an alternative venue, from a list of prior possibles. It sound like we should be able to go ahead as planned but at a different venue.
The other side is scared and the tricks are getting dirtier. I guess we'll have a load more of this crap. Never mind. It's a sure sign that we have them on the run.
Best Regards,
Paul Smith
Safe Speed
www.safespeed.org.uk
Paul
Are you not concerned in the light in which this rag has portrayed you and Idris?
A causal reader could build up a particularly bad view of you guys based solely one one flawed editorial. Methinks an opportunity to respond to their comments should be allowed perahps in the form of a letter to the editor?
Edited as My fingers appear to have been disconnected to my brain and were rampaging across my computer keyboard without a thought for spelling. Now suitably controlled.
>> Edited by tvrslag on Thursday 19th February 14:17
Are you not concerned in the light in which this rag has portrayed you and Idris?
A causal reader could build up a particularly bad view of you guys based solely one one flawed editorial. Methinks an opportunity to respond to their comments should be allowed perahps in the form of a letter to the editor?
Edited as My fingers appear to have been disconnected to my brain and were rampaging across my computer keyboard without a thought for spelling. Now suitably controlled.
>> Edited by tvrslag on Thursday 19th February 14:17
tvrslag said:
Paul
Are you not concerned in the light in which this rag has potrayed you and Idris?
A causal reader could build up a particularly bad view of you guys based solely one one flawed editorial. Methinks an opportunity to respond to their comments should be allowed perahps in the form of a letter to the editor?
Yes, you're damn right I'm concerned. I'm on it.
Best Regards,
Paul Smith
Safe Speed
www.safespeed.org.uk
Prof Sibert said that anything to reduce child death and brain damage is important. Agreed!
and also said "Road traffic accidents are probably the most common cause of death in children under 14"
(Note LESS children appear to end up in the "run over" stats in mainland Europe! - but then again, the road safety education is possibly of better overall standard!)
Article said that "mobile cameras save lives and reduce injuries". How? Too many do not see the scam until too late - and get copped! Obviously made them slow down! And what about all these other reports showing that overall deaths have increased? (Not safespeed et al's figures - but their own!)
Per article - parents are requesting 1200 cameras per year? Cousin lives there, is mother of 4 and is violent opposer of scams! Also had run in with the weird one over his views on drugs (She's a medic!)
Perhaps instead of concentrating on speed cameras as sole saviour of the children, they would do better to start teaching these children and their parents the art and discipline of crossing a road safely, using crossings, etc, etc.!
Then as a great many here have said time and time again - encourage periodic refresher courses for all drivers, get the trafpols back on the road, discourage drink and drug use (and lock up weird ones in Wales who think they should be legalised!), and re-engineer all those really dangerous stretches of road!
Then revise those sillier speed limits!
and also said "Road traffic accidents are probably the most common cause of death in children under 14"
(Note LESS children appear to end up in the "run over" stats in mainland Europe! - but then again, the road safety education is possibly of better overall standard!)
Article said that "mobile cameras save lives and reduce injuries". How? Too many do not see the scam until too late - and get copped! Obviously made them slow down! And what about all these other reports showing that overall deaths have increased? (Not safespeed et al's figures - but their own!)
Per article - parents are requesting 1200 cameras per year? Cousin lives there, is mother of 4 and is violent opposer of scams! Also had run in with the weird one over his views on drugs (She's a medic!)
Perhaps instead of concentrating on speed cameras as sole saviour of the children, they would do better to start teaching these children and their parents the art and discipline of crossing a road safely, using crossings, etc, etc.!
Then as a great many here have said time and time again - encourage periodic refresher courses for all drivers, get the trafpols back on the road, discourage drink and drug use (and lock up weird ones in Wales who think they should be legalised!), and re-engineer all those really dangerous stretches of road!
Then revise those sillier speed limits!
WildCat said:
and also said "Road traffic accidents are probably the most common cause of death in children under 14"
Probably.
So you don't know, or don't have the numbers and are basing this on a gut reaction?
Probably a correct assessment, but quite honestly, what else to 14 year olds die of exactly?
Mr E said:
and also said "Road traffic accidents are probably the most common cause of death in children under 14"
Probably.
So you don't know, or don't have the numbers and are basing this on a gut reaction?
Probably a correct assessment, but quite honestly, what else to 14 year olds die of exactly?
More children die before their first birthday than between the ages of 2-10 put together. That includes homicide statistics.
safespeed said:
Paul
Are you not concerned in the light in which this rag has potrayed you and Idris?
A causal reader could build up a particularly bad view of you guys based solely one one flawed editorial. Methinks an opportunity to respond to their comments should be allowed perahps in the form of a letter to the editor?
Yes, you're damn right I'm concerned. I'm on it.
Best Regards,
Paul Smith
Safe Speed
www.safespeed.org.uk
As someone who spent long tedious periods in Leipzig, GDR before wall came down, this reminds me of the very same tactics they used to tarnish the reputations of "dissidents"
Mr E said:
WildCat said:
and also said "Road traffic accidents are probably the most common cause of death in children under 14"
Probably.
So you don't know, or don't have the numbers and are basing this on a gut reaction?
Probably a correct assessment, but quite honestly, what else to 14 year olds die of exactly?
Some stats for 1999 (from UK government website www.statistics.gov.uk/):
"Despite increasing volumes of traffic, UK road casualties fell in 1999. [ ... ]. Within Great Britain there were 221 child deaths, ..."
Contrast with (from the same site):
"Death rates for children in the United Kingdom fell dramatically during the 20th century, largely due to the huge decrease in infant mortality. In 1998-2000 cancers were the most common cause of death among girls aged 5 to 15 in England and Wales, accounting for 23 per cent of the total in this age group. They were the second most common cause among boys in this age group, accounting for 24 per cent of deaths. Since the 1980s there have been notable improvements in cancer survival among children aged 5 to 14, largely due to better medical treatment. Between 1985 and 2000 cancer mortality rates in this age group fell by a third, even though the incidence of cancers changed little. In 1998-2000 accidents [of all types - S] were the most common cause of death among boys aged 5 to 15, representing 27 per cent.
The total number deaths - in the 0 to 15 age group - for 1998-2000 (3 years) was 5,020. So dividing by 3 (assuming reasonable constancy) gives a total number of deaths per annum of 1,673. Assuming that this is not heavily biased to the 15 year-olds, makes a mockery of Prof Sibert's claim!
Note for Prof Sibert: 221 = 13.21% of 1,673. THIS IS NOT A MAJORITY!
Streaky
PS - if anyone (e.g. Paul Smith) can get the exact figures for a particular year ...
>> Edited by streaky on Thursday 19th February 16:19
Mr E said:
and also said "Road traffic accidents are probably the most common cause of death in children under 14"
Probably.
So you don't know, or don't have the numbers and are basing this on a gut reaction?
Probably a correct assessment, but quite honestly, what else to 14 year olds die of exactly?
Um! Who is "you" - was quoting Mr Sibert's view per the article.
Actually - The "Mad Moggie" (my partner in "crime" as we both drive and dislike scams!) - specialist in lurgies would say that meningitis, asthma and suicides seem to account for quite a few deaths in this age -group!
WildCat said:
Um! Who is "you" - was quoting Mr Sibert's view per the article.
That's the one. Annoying that he can have a guess at a statistic and get it reported......
Thanks for the info streaky. Makes interesting reading.
It's a bit like the Heart Charities (who do excellent work) saying that more and more people are dying of heart disease. Well yes, but have they considered that people are surviving other things and living longer. Something has to get you in the end.
If Prof Lyons looked on the ROSPA site, he would learn some REAL facts. Sad to say, MORE children die in the HOME , than on the roads, and has been this way for many years.3 Million Adults are Injured and 4 thousand are killed,, OR should I say ---"OVER 3 MILLION Killed and injured "in home each year.Anyone seen a Home safety campaign lately???.Of course!!! thats how they will get the Scameras in yer home,1984 was right.
Re astonishing and biassed Western Mail report, which lead to the UCW Medical School cancelling our booking for the ABD/Safespeed presentation.
Now rearranged for Holiday Inn North, as below, 2 miles or so away, same day, same time, and perhaps much more publicity than we would otherwise have achieved! See you there!
Directions:
Fron Junction 30 of M4, take A4232 South.
Straight across the first roundabout,
Turn right at angled T juncion
Pentwyn Road is the 1st on the Right, Holiday Inn is on the right.
Hotel No 0870 4008141
My numbers 01730 829 416, 07717222459
Idris
Idris Francis
Now rearranged for Holiday Inn North, as below, 2 miles or so away, same day, same time, and perhaps much more publicity than we would otherwise have achieved! See you there!
Directions:
Fron Junction 30 of M4, take A4232 South.
Straight across the first roundabout,
Turn right at angled T juncion
Pentwyn Road is the 1st on the Right, Holiday Inn is on the right.
Hotel No 0870 4008141
My numbers 01730 829 416, 07717222459
Idris
Idris Francis
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