Pulled over for "giving a bad impression"
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y2blade said:
y2blade said:
how quick were you going before you spotted him?
well? 90+?
http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a... Claims Only Doing 90 and not 150mph
M5 Mark said:
Mr_annie_vxr said:
havoc said:
Waste of time. Regardless of the technicality of your 'offence', or the 'appearance' of it to another road user, 72 on an M-way should in no way be an issue unless there are severe meteo conditions or unless the average speed is <50mph (i.e. your overtake is way too quick vs the vehicles you're passing). The copper should have known all of that and left alone!
I'd suggest he was either bored or had too big an impression of himself.
Or the OP had been gaining on the officer at a greater speed but only passed at 70 odd, I'd suggest he was either bored or had too big an impression of himself.
The OP was also committing another offence that made him stand out.
For the two offences he got a pull and polite chat.
The OP has not stated what speed the officer said he was doing.
Patrol speeds are anything between 60-90 mph.
The officer is polite and explains why he stopped the OP and applied discretion, yet still gets vilified.
He may as well have just stuck the OP on for his number plate and called the OP a rude name and been obnoxious as he would have got just as much stick.
I've had similar with ambler gamblers who have gone through when they shouldn't have but not by large margins. I've stopped them and had a quick chat more for the impression it gives to the public who were there, i.e I am not ignoring it.
Does that make me think I'm God ?
I've stated several times I did not think the officer was out of order, I was simply curious about the reasoning behind this. It was not my intention to create an "US vs THEM" thread but it appears there is a clear line of thought here between the posters who are obviosuly coppers and those who are not. I think that is a shame. It's a shame the BiB here clearly think black and white and jump to defend their colleague. I see less of a PH spirit in this section, from BiB and public then any other forum section. I think the whole thing is a shame. Mr_annie_vxR you are ofcourse right, 71mph IS an offence, but I really think your black and white view of this is exactly what gives the police a bad name. Not the officer stopping me, he couldn't have been nicer about it and had a lot less attitude than you are giving me. My whole point is what was the thinking behind it. Mr_annie_vxR is simply giving me a negative impression that I didn't have before this thread! If your attitude is actually the thinking behind why I was stopped then I find myself drawing the conclusion that maybe some police are narrow minded.
Once again apologies my intention was not to have a go at the police or create a division between public and police.
You're asking a bunch of people who weren't there to comment on it - all people are different, and as such all police officers are different. All have different priorities and thresholds, and indeed every day is different. You could probably have done what you did dozens of times on a different day, at a different time, or in front of a different officer and got a different response. It may just have been that your misspaced plate was the tipping point? We just don't know. It may be that it was a particularly 'slow' day (no pun intended) and he thought having a chat with you was worth his while for whatever reason. All that is clear, is that you were committing an offence by displaying the plates but were neither ticketed, nor given a VDRS to rectify it - some would see that as lenient, some would see simply stopping you as a little harsh. As I say, all people are different.
From reading this thread i'm reminded of the thread about the PCSO who didn't deal with an offence (i forget the full details). Surely had another PHer been behind the BiB, and he'd let it go, there could have been a thread entitled 'BMW driver overtakes marked BiB on motorway with dodgy plates but BiB did nothing' with accompanying BiB bashing comments? Everything is subjective and if minded to, one can consider all these things from various different perspectives and come out with a different picture each time.
At the end of the day, and i'll apologise in advance for being a bit black and white here, any vehicle can be pulled over to check driver documents - most times you drive your car you won't be, but if you give a reason and BiB thinks it's worth their while, then you can and will be stopped. It's part of being a driver. I've certainly been stopped on several occasions over my 11 years of car driving and 6 years of motorcycling.
The simple fact is, that you were stopped perfectly legitimately, the officer was polite and reasonable, and despite committing a black and white offence (plates), you left without any paperwork to fill out or fines to pay. Surely that's reasonable?
All IMHO,
Dave
14-7 said:
y2blade said:
y2blade said:
how quick were you going before you spotted him?
well? 90+?
http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a... Claims Only Doing 90 and not 150mph
shame the BIB in question isn't on here isn't it
M5 Mark said:
Mr_annie_vxr said:
havoc said:
Waste of time. Regardless of the technicality of your 'offence', or the 'appearance' of it to another road user, 72 on an M-way should in no way be an issue unless there are severe meteo conditions or unless the average speed is <50mph (i.e. your overtake is way too quick vs the vehicles you're passing). The copper should have known all of that and left alone!
I'd suggest he was either bored or had too big an impression of himself.
Or the OP had been gaining on the officer at a greater speed but only passed at 70 odd, I'd suggest he was either bored or had too big an impression of himself.
The OP was also committing another offence that made him stand out.
For the two offences he got a pull and polite chat.
The OP has not stated what speed the officer said he was doing.
Patrol speeds are anything between 60-90 mph.
The officer is polite and explains why he stopped the OP and applied discretion, yet still gets vilified.
He may as well have just stuck the OP on for his number plate and called the OP a rude name and been obnoxious as he would have got just as much stick.
I've had similar with ambler gamblers who have gone through when they shouldn't have but not by large margins. I've stopped them and had a quick chat more for the impression it gives to the public who were there, i.e I am not ignoring it.
Does that make me think I'm God ?
I've stated several times I did not think the officer was out of order, I was simply curious about the reasoning behind this. It was not my intention to create an "US vs THEM" thread but it appears there is a clear line of thought here between the posters who are obviosuly coppers and those who are not. I think that is a shame. It's a shame the BiB here clearly think black and white and jump to defend their colleague. I see less of a PH spirit in this section, from BiB and public then any other forum section. I think the whole thing is a shame. Mr_annie_vxR you are ofcourse right, 71mph IS an offence, but I really think your black and white view of this is exactly what gives the police a bad name. Not the officer stopping me, he couldn't have been nicer about it and had a lot less attitude than you are giving me. My whole point is what was the thinking behind it. Mr_annie_vxR is simply giving me a negative impression that I didn't have before this thread! If your attitude is actually the thinking behind why I was stopped then I find myself drawing the conclusion that maybe some police are narrow minded.
Once again apologies my intention was not to have a go at the police or create a division between public and police.
Since you have decided to highlight myself.
What attitude am I giving you exactly?
My comments where nothing more than observations to explain what the officers reasoning was as to why you got pulled. I thought that was why you came on here? Otherwise why did you post? I then answered other peoples posts, yet you are now claim I'm "giving you attitude"
From asking people why he pulled you over you have then decided to attack me based on my observations of his thought process and declare that I give a bad impression of the police due to my black and white views of the law.
Since we are clearly in the bounds of drawing conclusions. I conclude you were doing a damn site more than 70 before he pulled you, no doubt slowing down as he came down the slip road. No-one drives at 70-71 on the motorway. You then overtook him and had a misplaced number plate. You attracted his attention.
Me, I've let people off with warnings at 130. I would never give a ticket for less than 90, indeed probably not for less than a 100.
You've created a division about officers jumping to defend their colleague and the for the record I think you will find that actually very few of the posters you think are police officers actually are. No-one has defended him other than to explain the possible reasons for the pull in the first place. Since when did his actions (of letting you off two offences by your own admission) and him being nothing but polite require defending?
You clearly have no interest in the thought process (which has been explained) as when its mentioned you start accusing people of having an 'attitude' when they are offering their thoughts about what happened.
I wouldn't have even pulled you over.
Edited by Mr_annie_vxr on Friday 7th May 18:54
Mr_annie_vxr said:
M5 Mark said:
Mr_annie_vxr said:
havoc said:
Waste of time. Regardless of the technicality of your 'offence', or the 'appearance' of it to another road user, 72 on an M-way should in no way be an issue unless there are severe meteo conditions or unless the average speed is <50mph (i.e. your overtake is way too quick vs the vehicles you're passing). The copper should have known all of that and left alone!
I'd suggest he was either bored or had too big an impression of himself.
Or the OP had been gaining on the officer at a greater speed but only passed at 70 odd, I'd suggest he was either bored or had too big an impression of himself.
The OP was also committing another offence that made him stand out.
For the two offences he got a pull and polite chat.
The OP has not stated what speed the officer said he was doing.
Patrol speeds are anything between 60-90 mph.
The officer is polite and explains why he stopped the OP and applied discretion, yet still gets vilified.
He may as well have just stuck the OP on for his number plate and called the OP a rude name and been obnoxious as he would have got just as much stick.
I've had similar with ambler gamblers who have gone through when they shouldn't have but not by large margins. I've stopped them and had a quick chat more for the impression it gives to the public who were there, i.e I am not ignoring it.
Does that make me think I'm God ?
I've stated several times I did not think the officer was out of order, I was simply curious about the reasoning behind this. It was not my intention to create an "US vs THEM" thread but it appears there is a clear line of thought here between the posters who are obviosuly coppers and those who are not. I think that is a shame. It's a shame the BiB here clearly think black and white and jump to defend their colleague. I see less of a PH spirit in this section, from BiB and public then any other forum section. I think the whole thing is a shame. Mr_annie_vxR you are ofcourse right, 71mph IS an offence, but I really think your black and white view of this is exactly what gives the police a bad name. Not the officer stopping me, he couldn't have been nicer about it and had a lot less attitude than you are giving me. My whole point is what was the thinking behind it. Mr_annie_vxR is simply giving me a negative impression that I didn't have before this thread! If your attitude is actually the thinking behind why I was stopped then I find myself drawing the conclusion that maybe some police are narrow minded.
Once again apologies my intention was not to have a go at the police or create a division between public and police.
Since you have decided to highlight myself.
What attitude am I giving you exactly?
My comments where nothing more than observations to explain what the officers reasoning was as to why you got pulled. I thought that was why you came on here? Otherwise why did you post? I then answered other peoples posts, yet you are now claim I'm "giving you attitude"
From asking people why he pulled you over you have then decided to attack me based on my observations of his thought process and declare that I give a bad impression of the police due to my black and white views of the law.
Since we are clearly in the bounds of drawing conclusions. I conclude you were doing a damn site more than 70 before he pulled you, no doubt slowing down as he came down the slip road. No-one drives at 70-71 on the motorway. You then overtook him and had a misplaced number plate. You attracted his attention.
Me, I've let people off with warnings at 130. I would never give a ticket for less than 90, indeed probably not for less than a 100.
You've created a division about officers jumping to defend their colleague and the for the record I think you will find that actually very few of the posters you think are police officers actually are. No-one has defended him other than to explain the possible reasons for the pull in the first place. Since when did his actions (of letting you off two offences by your own admission) and him being nothing but polite require defending?
You clearly have no interest in the thought process (which has been explained) as when its mentioned you start accusing people of having an 'attitude' when they are offering their thoughts about what happened.
I wouldn't have even pulled you over.
Edited by Mr_annie_vxr on Friday 7th May 18:54
I guess you've already touched on the strangest thing of the event. I may have been doing quite a bit more than 70 maybe only 10mins prior to this, was actually running on fumes and reading 1 mile less than the range to the petrol station so 70 seemed sensible. It genuinely is strange to me that at the time I was actually only doing 70ish and this should happen.
As for the plate, I do around 35k a year and not once been stopped once for it. Maybe I should be greatful for that rather than shocked it did happen.
Apologies for the singling you out, you gave me what I asked for, I should be man enough to accept people have different opinions, so genuinely where as I might not agree thanks for sharing.
M5 Mark said:
Mr_annie_vxr said:
M5 Mark said:
Mr_annie_vxr said:
havoc said:
Waste of time. Regardless of the technicality of your 'offence', or the 'appearance' of it to another road user, 72 on an M-way should in no way be an issue unless there are severe meteo conditions or unless the average speed is <50mph (i.e. your overtake is way too quick vs the vehicles you're passing). The copper should have known all of that and left alone!
I'd suggest he was either bored or had too big an impression of himself.
Or the OP had been gaining on the officer at a greater speed but only passed at 70 odd, I'd suggest he was either bored or had too big an impression of himself.
The OP was also committing another offence that made him stand out.
For the two offences he got a pull and polite chat.
The OP has not stated what speed the officer said he was doing.
Patrol speeds are anything between 60-90 mph.
The officer is polite and explains why he stopped the OP and applied discretion, yet still gets vilified.
He may as well have just stuck the OP on for his number plate and called the OP a rude name and been obnoxious as he would have got just as much stick.
I've had similar with ambler gamblers who have gone through when they shouldn't have but not by large margins. I've stopped them and had a quick chat more for the impression it gives to the public who were there, i.e I am not ignoring it.
Does that make me think I'm God ?
I've stated several times I did not think the officer was out of order, I was simply curious about the reasoning behind this. It was not my intention to create an "US vs THEM" thread but it appears there is a clear line of thought here between the posters who are obviosuly coppers and those who are not. I think that is a shame. It's a shame the BiB here clearly think black and white and jump to defend their colleague. I see less of a PH spirit in this section, from BiB and public then any other forum section. I think the whole thing is a shame. Mr_annie_vxR you are ofcourse right, 71mph IS an offence, but I really think your black and white view of this is exactly what gives the police a bad name. Not the officer stopping me, he couldn't have been nicer about it and had a lot less attitude than you are giving me. My whole point is what was the thinking behind it. Mr_annie_vxR is simply giving me a negative impression that I didn't have before this thread! If your attitude is actually the thinking behind why I was stopped then I find myself drawing the conclusion that maybe some police are narrow minded.
Once again apologies my intention was not to have a go at the police or create a division between public and police.
Since you have decided to highlight myself.
What attitude am I giving you exactly?
My comments where nothing more than observations to explain what the officers reasoning was as to why you got pulled. I thought that was why you came on here? Otherwise why did you post? I then answered other peoples posts, yet you are now claim I'm "giving you attitude"
From asking people why he pulled you over you have then decided to attack me based on my observations of his thought process and declare that I give a bad impression of the police due to my black and white views of the law.
Since we are clearly in the bounds of drawing conclusions. I conclude you were doing a damn site more than 70 before he pulled you, no doubt slowing down as he came down the slip road. No-one drives at 70-71 on the motorway. You then overtook him and had a misplaced number plate. You attracted his attention.
Me, I've let people off with warnings at 130. I would never give a ticket for less than 90, indeed probably not for less than a 100.
You've created a division about officers jumping to defend their colleague and the for the record I think you will find that actually very few of the posters you think are police officers actually are. No-one has defended him other than to explain the possible reasons for the pull in the first place. Since when did his actions (of letting you off two offences by your own admission) and him being nothing but polite require defending?
You clearly have no interest in the thought process (which has been explained) as when its mentioned you start accusing people of having an 'attitude' when they are offering their thoughts about what happened.
I wouldn't have even pulled you over.
Edited by Mr_annie_vxr on Friday 7th May 18:54
I guess you've already touched on the strangest thing of the event. I may have been doing quite a bit more than 70 maybe only 10mins prior to this, was actually running on fumes and reading 1 mile less than the range to the petrol station so 70 seemed sensible. It genuinely is strange to me that at the time I was actually only doing 70ish and this should happen.
As for the plate, I do around 35k a year and not once been stopped once for it. Maybe I should be greatful for that rather than shocked it did happen.
Apologies for the singling you out, you gave me what I asked for, I should be man enough to accept people have different opinions, so genuinely where as I might not agree thanks for sharing.
As I said I'd not pull you for that speed, people regularly go past me at 75-80.
M5 Mark said:
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Still fair play didn't get a ticket and as he pointed out he could have given me one for my number plate. Glad I stopped.... was sooo tempting to dissapear! As much as I think the whole thing was BS I must say he was actually the nicest most polite copper I've encountered! Just rattles me that do the police really have little to do?!
the number plate was all the excuse he needed Still fair play didn't get a ticket and as he pointed out he could have given me one for my number plate. Glad I stopped.... was sooo tempting to dissapear! As much as I think the whole thing was BS I must say he was actually the nicest most polite copper I've encountered! Just rattles me that do the police really have little to do?!
you obviously passed the RAT so he spun you that line and decided to NFA/ verbal advice the plate
if you'd been a muppet when he stopped you he'd have gone over the car looking for other things to add to the plate and sent you on your way with at least the FPN and a VDRS for the plate plus whatever else he could find ...
Mad Dave said:
The simple fact is, that you were stopped perfectly legitimately, the officer was polite and reasonable, and despite committing a black and white offence (plates), you left without any paperwork to fill out or fines to pay. Surely that's reasonable?
All IMHO,
Dave
Whilst I don't disagree with your points, I will reiterate that being pulled to the side on a motorway for any reason has an element of riskr, we are all told if you pull over on the hard shoulder, get out of the car and move away to the grassy bitty.All IMHO,
Dave
So here we are being pulled for a seemingly minor infringment, and putting the policeman and joe public at risk. I think even if it was for the plate, it is out of order to do it on a motorway.
I would have thought the police have better things to do. If there is no paperwork involved, why pull in the first place, for a chat?
Accelebrate said:
MC Bodge said:
The more considerate Police drivers travel at 60mph.
Only for everyone else to slam on their anchors and crawl along behind at 59mph clogging up all three lanes.the sheeple will slam on for any marked vehicle with a blue or clear lightbar on the roof , in my volunteer role i drive a variety of fully marked and blue lighted 4*4s ( as well as ambulances) and the sheeple slam on , even for the vehicle which has the organisation in question's logo covering the entire rear windscreen ... and the one that didn't used to have the logo on the bonnet was even worse despite the fact it has a yellow bonnet ...
Vipers said:
Mad Dave said:
The simple fact is, that you were stopped perfectly legitimately, the officer was polite and reasonable, and despite committing a black and white offence (plates), you left without any paperwork to fill out or fines to pay. Surely that's reasonable?
All IMHO,
Dave
Whilst I don't disagree with your points, I will reiterate that being pulled to the side on a motorway for any reason has an element of riskr, we are all told if you pull over on the hard shoulder, get out of the car and move away to the grassy bitty.All IMHO,
Dave
So here we are being pulled for a seemingly minor infringment, and putting the policeman and joe public at risk. I think even if it was for the plate, it is out of order to do it on a motorway.
I would have thought the police have better things to do. If there is no paperwork involved, why pull in the first place, for a chat?
A traffic stop is never a waste of time, even if all you do is check that the driver has permission to have the car, is sober, licensed and insured. It's also a chance to have a friendly chat with the driver which can often build bridges (e.g. deal with them fairly and politely and they'll remember you if you ever need their assistance with another matter).
Once again, all IMVHO.
D
If there is a line of cars travelling behind a police car, probably just on or below the speed limit and someone has the sheer cheek to step out of line and break away from the pack and overtake, thus challenging the authority of the police, then it is very likely that the miscreant will be pulled over as an example to those who were too afraid to overtake themselves - thus reinforcing the authority. Annoying but true.
Mad Dave said:
Rusty Arches said:
Hope you got his number, make a complaint.
Have I missed something here? 
OP commits offence. OP is pulled over. OP is dealt with with civility and not prosecuted for the offence. OP is allowed on his way.
just the usual "hate the police" attitude of some people
personally I still think there is more to this than meets the eye, like I said earlier it would be good if the Officer in question could give his side of events
Rusty Arches said:
Mad Dave said:
Rusty Arches said:
Hope you got his number, make a complaint.
Have I missed something here? OP commits offence. OP is pulled over. OP is dealt with with civility and not prosecuted for the offence. OP is allowed on his way.
Mad Dave said:
Rusty Arches said:
Mad Dave said:
Rusty Arches said:
Hope you got his number, make a complaint.
Have I missed something here? OP commits offence. OP is pulled over. OP is dealt with with civility and not prosecuted for the offence. OP is allowed on his way.
Like with anything involving men (in the main) it's all about egos. If he's at what he thinks is 70 and you pass him, he may think that you've in some way offended him, are taking the mickey/whatever. The ego/sense of self importance thing won't change unless we all become Buddhists so I would always assume that offence could be taken and not overtake.
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