What planet are some people on?
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These Numpties always amaze me. Absolutely no hazard awareness whatsoever. The majority of them travel at 60-80Mph with no variation for roadworks, signs or weather except when they have to stop(if they can). They then get the car into top gear at 30 MPH and crawl back upto their "limit".
rospa said:
The problem, as I see it, is that to nick people for offences like careless driving often requires a lot of paperwork. Witness our very own Will Crash (recent AutoCar correspondent) who pulled people over and after a talking to, recommended them for a driver improvement course - Each driver's paperwork would take 1.5 hours to complete.
It is easy to see why BiB dish our FPN's for speeding because the hassle of other offences means they will spend even less time out on the road.
Why can't some minor careless driving offences be handled by FPN? Or can they now as I remember changes were afoot?
Keep it safe!
edited to correct spellings
>> Edited by rospa on Monday 29th March 13:10
Well it would be helpful if any change went hand in hand with changes to the rules the Police work under so that rather than filling in scores of forms etc they were out on the road educating people.
I assume the problem with careless driving etc is that it is a relatively subjective view. If the Police were able to send people on driving courses instead of charging them perhaps the procedures could be sped up. However I suppose the simple fact of seeing the police talking to adriver at the side of the raod does improve some peoples driving.
tonyrec said:
Going through the 40mph Speed limit at Contraflow Roadworks on the M1 at speeds around 80-90 mph.......total and utter idiots and deserve all they get...........next!
Sadly, excuses like, "i wasnt doing any harm", or "Im late for a meeting", or "I didnt realise what speed i was doing".....FFS, that means that they didnt even see the roadworks!!!!!!
For the record, i was very polite but very firm.
ok Mr Expert then point us toward the document/policy that provides data that it should be 40MPH so that we may see why driving past cones etc requires such a low speed, please post your responce here
I think its pretty well documented what damage a 40mph vehicle will do the human body. At least at that speed you stand some chance of avoiding a worker in the event of a mishap, or at least getting down to 30 or 20 mph before impact giving them at least a sporting chance of living to tell the tale.
Grow up.
I've been nicked for 56 in a 40 at roadworks - at 7am and deserted, so I can see why some people are cynical. Nevertheless, in some instances these limits are entirely justifiable.
You could argue that road works should ALWAYS be protected by those concrete barriers. Some advice to road workers injured in RTA's where only cones and speed limits are deployed - I think there should be a strong case for negligence on the part of the employers.
Grow up.
I've been nicked for 56 in a 40 at roadworks - at 7am and deserted, so I can see why some people are cynical. Nevertheless, in some instances these limits are entirely justifiable.
You could argue that road works should ALWAYS be protected by those concrete barriers. Some advice to road workers injured in RTA's where only cones and speed limits are deployed - I think there should be a strong case for negligence on the part of the employers.
[quote=Sgt^Roc]
ok Mr Expert then point us toward the document/policy that provides data that it should be 40MPH so that we may see why driving past cones etc requires such a low speed, please post your responce here
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Firstly im not a Coning/Road works expert and secondly, its down to pure common sense.
Like most responses on the Forum, my reply was based on real life experience and knowledge of the Law (regarding Speed Limits) and not some document which was/is written down to argue the point either way.
Hope that this answers your question and if you want an Experts opinion contact the Local Highways Agency who will be more than willing to answer your questions.
>> Edited by tonyrec on Tuesday 30th March 21:05
ok Mr Expert then point us toward the document/policy that provides data that it should be 40MPH so that we may see why driving past cones etc requires such a low speed, please post your responce here
[/quote]
Firstly im not a Coning/Road works expert and secondly, its down to pure common sense.
Like most responses on the Forum, my reply was based on real life experience and knowledge of the Law (regarding Speed Limits) and not some document which was/is written down to argue the point either way.
Hope that this answers your question and if you want an Experts opinion contact the Local Highways Agency who will be more than willing to answer your questions.
>> Edited by tonyrec on Tuesday 30th March 21:05
Well I work on the highway (not m/way) and the amount of twats who fly past at morethan 40+ in a 30 is amazing.
There are roadwork signs, road narrow signs and still they fly past or then have jam on the anchors hitting/ clipping my cones with me working there. That is bad awareness or not giving a toss to who works on the road.
There are roadwork signs, road narrow signs and still they fly past or then have jam on the anchors hitting/ clipping my cones with me working there. That is bad awareness or not giving a toss to who works on the road.
I went through the roadworks on the A1 near Buckden the other day in darkness. There were so many signs, flashing lights, floodlights, roadmarkings and cameras I really didn't have the time to look for people working.
This is the first time I can honestly say I was not sure where to look next. If they removed all the signs, maybe I would have had time to observe a bit more.
This isn't as cavalier as it first sounds, I was genuinely concerned as to whether I would be able to pick out the pertinent warning/information amongst all the garbage. Talk about information overload. This is nannying gone mad!
I wish I could have taken a picture, but I was busy! You can only believe it if you see it.
This is the first time I can honestly say I was not sure where to look next. If they removed all the signs, maybe I would have had time to observe a bit more.
This isn't as cavalier as it first sounds, I was genuinely concerned as to whether I would be able to pick out the pertinent warning/information amongst all the garbage. Talk about information overload. This is nannying gone mad!
I wish I could have taken a picture, but I was busy! You can only believe it if you see it.
tonyrec said:
Going through the 40mph Speed limit at Contraflow Roadworks on the M1 at speeds around 80-90 mph.......total and utter idiots and deserve all they get...........next!
Here's a though:
Why not let roadworks speeders select the limit themselves?
They can be sentenced to wear an orange suit with a reflective white band round their middles, and an orange dunce's cap with a reflective band round it on their heads.
And select whatever speed limit sign they want to hold up.
As they stand in for a roadworks roadcone for a day.
bogush said:
Going through the 40mph Speed limit at Contraflow Roadworks on the M1 at speeds around 80-90 mph.......total and utter idiots and deserve all they get...........next!
Here's a though:
Why not let roadworks speeders select the limit themselves?
They can be sentenced to wear an orange suit with a reflective white band round their middles, and an orange dunce's cap with a reflective band round it on their heads.
And select whatever speed limit sign they want to hold up.
As they stand in for a roadworks roadcone for a day.
Ah well, in that case I would select a minimum speed limit of 90 and enforce it rigorously. I would definatlely not want w*nkers singing "ya better watch out ya better be ware" any where near me at speeds like 40. Oh no.....
Perhaps we should take a leaf out of the Yanks book then - where traffic fines are doubled in construction areas! Whaddya think tonyrec - it would certainly make people think again - and double points too? I'm all for the safety of the construction guys - but like others here I'm appalled at bad signage and superfluous limits when no ones working.
keithyboy said:
Perhaps we should take a leaf out of the Yanks book then - where traffic fines are doubled in construction areas! Whaddya think tonyrec - it would certainly make people think again - and double points too? I'm all for the safety of the construction guys - but like others here I'm appalled at bad signage and superfluous limits when no ones working.
Double fines in Roadworks? Agreed! Alternatively if there's no-one working, the coning and signs MUST be removed.... I've driven for miles with cones and no sign of anyone, no activity past or present and no people! I suspect purely a money grabbing exercise by the so-called road maintenance...they get paid for signing!!! The old A74 north of Carlisle was particularly bad for that......and I'm sure there are other stretches similar......
TonyOut said:
I went through the roadworks on the A1 near Buckden the other day in darkness. There were so many signs, flashing lights, floodlights, roadmarkings and cameras I really didn't have the time to look for people working.
This is the first time I can honestly say I was not sure where to look next. If they removed all the signs, maybe I would have had time to observe a bit more.
This isn't as cavalier as it first sounds, I was genuinely concerned as to whether I would be able to pick out the pertinent warning/information amongst all the garbage. Talk about information overload. This is nannying gone mad!
I wish I could have taken a picture, but I was busy! You can only believe it if you see it.
Very good point, esp at night.
To be honest the layout of works on the M90 (for example) is not very good and is very inconsistant. Have seen the warning lorries (big orange ones with bright lights and huge signs)set up and the information (lane closure lane merging etc)was completly opposite to the works layout!!
Cue complete bedlam. (Bridge of Allen junction, southbound couple of months ago).
MoJo.
d-man said:
I think the number of motorway 'roadworks' where there is nobody working, no lane closures and a temporary speed limit are making this worse.
If you cry wolf enough times, people will stop taking any notice.
Then it is the job of Camera partnerships and Police to remind those that stop taking notice
oggs said:
Well I work on the highway (not m/way) and the amount of twats who fly past at morethan 40+ in a 30 is amazing.
There are roadwork signs, road narrow signs and still they fly past or then have jam on the anchors hitting/ clipping my cones with me working there. That is bad awareness or not giving a toss to who works on the road.
Do you have the same attitude when you drive through someone elses or your own residential area?
Hmmmmmm
I wonder Having worked as an engineer on m/way works, 40mph still seems bloody quick!
The 40 limits are there for a reason - to protect the workforce and to give drivers better reaction time for unforeseen events.
With regard to the roadworks around heathrow on the M25, i have seen numerous people being flashed by the gatsos - they are so obvious!!!
The 40 limits are there for a reason - to protect the workforce and to give drivers better reaction time for unforeseen events.
With regard to the roadworks around heathrow on the M25, i have seen numerous people being flashed by the gatsos - they are so obvious!!!
[quote=Sgt^Roc]
ok Mr Expert then point us toward the document/policy that provides data that it should be 40MPH so that we may see why driving past cones etc requires such a low speed, please post your responce here.[/quote]
Steady up. We are lucky to have serving police on this forum but they wont stay long if we treat them badly.
ok Mr Expert then point us toward the document/policy that provides data that it should be 40MPH so that we may see why driving past cones etc requires such a low speed, please post your responce here.[/quote]
Steady up. We are lucky to have serving police on this forum but they wont stay long if we treat them badly.
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