What would you do if you were banned?
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As a hypothetical question, what would you do if you were banned from driving? For example, you get a 6 month ban for doing 100mph on a motorway in the early hours of the morning. I'm sure it has happened to a few people from here.
If the above scenario occurred, what would you do? Would you continue to drive? Or would you risk losing your job, possibly house by not driving?
I imagine many would downgrade their car to something which they could "self insure", making it something which hasn't been registered to an owner in a while then not registering it. One could then continue driving until the ban had lifted, avoiding the cost of insurance, tax, MOT, further speeding fines, congestion charges.
In my opinion banning drivers so easily, just increases the number of uninsured on the roads, increases the number of dangerous cars on the roads, which will be near impossible to trace.
tonyrec - are you finding more and more people (by this I mean decent people, not pikeys) who get banned and continue driving?
If the above scenario occurred, what would you do? Would you continue to drive? Or would you risk losing your job, possibly house by not driving?
I imagine many would downgrade their car to something which they could "self insure", making it something which hasn't been registered to an owner in a while then not registering it. One could then continue driving until the ban had lifted, avoiding the cost of insurance, tax, MOT, further speeding fines, congestion charges.
In my opinion banning drivers so easily, just increases the number of uninsured on the roads, increases the number of dangerous cars on the roads, which will be near impossible to trace.
tonyrec - are you finding more and more people (by this I mean decent people, not pikeys) who get banned and continue driving?
I have absolutely no doubt I would continue to drive.
I would buy a very ordinary car at the auctions and register it to a company with the registered address at an accountants. Then I'd insure it any driver through the company insurance and just drive it.
However, even with bad luck it should not come to that as it is easy to get an S.Irish licence if your UK one got, say, six points. All you need is an Irish address (not that difficult - think about it a bit) then buy a car in Ireland (or re-register your UK car there)and tax and insure it there. You can drive it in the UK under Euro laws and you are unlikely to ever get challenged. Remember, your UK N.C.B. is transferable to Southern Ireland as all the UK insurers have Dublin offices.
And, yes, I've checked this out with my insurance broker and the DVLA in Swansea. It's all quite legal, but the vehicle should leave the UK at least once every 6 months (booze cruises to France, methinks).
I would buy a very ordinary car at the auctions and register it to a company with the registered address at an accountants. Then I'd insure it any driver through the company insurance and just drive it.
However, even with bad luck it should not come to that as it is easy to get an S.Irish licence if your UK one got, say, six points. All you need is an Irish address (not that difficult - think about it a bit) then buy a car in Ireland (or re-register your UK car there)and tax and insure it there. You can drive it in the UK under Euro laws and you are unlikely to ever get challenged. Remember, your UK N.C.B. is transferable to Southern Ireland as all the UK insurers have Dublin offices.
And, yes, I've checked this out with my insurance broker and the DVLA in Swansea. It's all quite legal, but the vehicle should leave the UK at least once every 6 months (booze cruises to France, methinks).
Cooperman1 said:
I have absolutely no doubt I would continue to drive.
I would buy a very ordinary car at the auctions and register it to a company with the registered address at an accountants. Then I'd insure it any driver through the company insurance and just drive it.
However, even with bad luck it should not come to that as it is easy to get an S.Irish licence if your UK one got, say, six points. All you need is an Irish address (not that difficult - think about it a bit) then buy a car in Ireland (or re-register your UK car there)and tax and insure it there. You can drive it in the UK under Euro laws and you are unlikely to ever get challenged. Remember, your UK N.C.B. is transferable to Southern Ireland as all the UK insurers have Dublin offices.
And, yes, I've checked this out with my insurance broker and the DVLA in Swansea. It's all quite legal, but the vehicle should leave the UK at least once every 6 months (booze cruises to France, methinks).
Only problem being is that your insurance wouldn't pay up if as whilst banned you have no cover. That is unless you could get a valid Irish license.
I absolutely refuse to bring myself down to the level of the scum we so rightly criticise on these very forums. We are all responsible for our actions and should therefore be prepared to bear the consequences. This may not apply to Mr Bliar but I ain't him.
Therefore I'd take it on the chin and enjoy the benefits of our wonderful public transport.
Therefore I'd take it on the chin and enjoy the benefits of our wonderful public transport.
I would say Mr Cooperman's S.Irish insurers would refuse to pay out once they found out about the UK ban. Once you have an accident in the UK and they find out about the UK address they will put 2 and 2 together and make a check on DVLA database.
No insurance
Fraud
Sums up to not being worth it.
No insurance
Fraud
Sums up to not being worth it.
Driving whilst banned is a sure way to having a short holiday in a small room and becoming 'Big Rons wife', even more so than rolling and old lady for her purse.
There are all sorts of tricks you could use to provide forged or bogus documents which may even fool the majority of Police officers and Police CDO's who take the details if you are stopped and given a producer.
It takes a very strong nerve to deal with a Police officer who has stopped you, yourself knowing that you are committing a serious offence without giving off stress signals which he/she is likely to pick up on and dig deeper.
The big problem comes when someone collides with you or you with them!
There are all sorts of tricks you could use to provide forged or bogus documents which may even fool the majority of Police officers and Police CDO's who take the details if you are stopped and given a producer.
It takes a very strong nerve to deal with a Police officer who has stopped you, yourself knowing that you are committing a serious offence without giving off stress signals which he/she is likely to pick up on and dig deeper.
The big problem comes when someone collides with you or you with them!
gone said:
Driving whilst banned is a sure way to having a short holiday in a small room and becoming 'Big Rons wife', even more so than rolling and old lady for her purse.
This is probably true and so shameful. What sort of
wit politicians got an once great nation into this diabolical state? It is high time we had a change of tac here. Deliberately robbing a citizen of her purse in the street should always carry a custodial sentence because it is the deliberate act of a criminal and a coward. Breaking the silly speed limit a few times should frankly be ignored. The fact that it results in a ban which face it for some means loss of livelihood and possibly family etc. I am suprised more of these ban happy judiciary types are not finding themselves waking up with a second smile. I seriously think civil servants who show so little respect for their employers in this way should be punished very severely, perhaps we should take a leaf from the Muslim judiciary system. The floggings would help the gates at the poorer football clubs. The current situation with banning is so silly I think the authorities deserve all they get and if they expect people to take notice of bans in the current anti car climate they need to wake up. Enough is enough.... gone said:
It takes a very strong nerve to deal with a Police officer who has stopped you, yourself knowing that you are committing a serious offence without giving off stress signals which he/she is likely to pick up on and dig deeper.
Get real
Cooperman1 said:
I have absolutely no doubt I would continue to drive.
Exactly what a mate of mine did after getting a ban for totting up. Stupid thing is he lived 30 minutes walk from the office and his ban started during early summer.
It turned out that the consciencious copper that pulled him for the 100+ on the motorway that resulted in the ban drove past his house every day on the way to work. He recognised the car that my mate was pulled in, noticed it wasn't there all the time, put two and two together and a 12 month ban turned into a longer ban + community service + a thoroughly
ed up life. Not worth the risk.
Muncher said:
As a hypothetical question, what would you do if you were banned from driving? For example, you get a 6 month ban for doing 100mph on a motorway in the early hours of the morning. I'm sure it has happened to a few people from here.
I know a lot of folks who would keep driving while banned. The risk of getting caught is small, and the consequences not so severe.
Me, I'd pack my job in and sit in the garden for six months drinking beer and scrounging off him indoors.
Muncher said:
In my opinion banning drivers so easily, just increases the number of uninsured on the roads, increases the number of dangerous cars on the roads, which will be near impossible to trace.
Exactly. For 100 mph up the quiet motorway in dry weather, I sincerely hope the coppers have got something better to do.
I know two people (I'm not one of them) who have done this, both got banned under totting up, neither were dangerous drivers, just a few mph over the limit and both need to drive for their living. (All points from Gatso/Talivan)
One of them borrowed his uncle's license so if stopped said he was his uncle. His uncle just bought another car and allowed this chap to use it. The other chap at one point had a moped I think, he might have applied for a new (learner) license in another name, I can't remember the exact details now.
Both these people were previously honest, reliable sensible people with good jobs, house, wife, children etc. Neither had had an accident in recent years and neither were dangerous or reckless.
The alternative was to loose their jobs and possibly their houses. What sensible, reasonable society allows a few flashes from an anonymous grey box to take away somebody's livlihood and possibly their home ?
It's utter madness and must be stopped. I guess it's only when a significant number of MP's and Plod get banned that we'll see that happen, in the meantime there are 1000's of normal people out there who are going to loose their jobs.
What does it achieve ? Are there any figures that show banned drivers are more careful or less likely to have an accident after a ban ?
One of them borrowed his uncle's license so if stopped said he was his uncle. His uncle just bought another car and allowed this chap to use it. The other chap at one point had a moped I think, he might have applied for a new (learner) license in another name, I can't remember the exact details now.
Both these people were previously honest, reliable sensible people with good jobs, house, wife, children etc. Neither had had an accident in recent years and neither were dangerous or reckless.
The alternative was to loose their jobs and possibly their houses. What sensible, reasonable society allows a few flashes from an anonymous grey box to take away somebody's livlihood and possibly their home ?
It's utter madness and must be stopped. I guess it's only when a significant number of MP's and Plod get banned that we'll see that happen, in the meantime there are 1000's of normal people out there who are going to loose their jobs.
What does it achieve ? Are there any figures that show banned drivers are more careful or less likely to have an accident after a ban ?
nonegreen said:
Driving whilst banned is a sure way to having a short holiday in a small room and becoming 'Big Rons wife', even more so than rolling and old lady for her purse.
This is probably true and so shameful. What sort of
gone said:
It takes a very strong nerve to deal with a Police officer who has stopped you, yourself knowing that you are committing a serious offence without giving off stress signals which he/she is likely to pick up on and dig deeper.
Get real
I think we must distinguish be banned for DD etc to being banned for being talivanned.
If I drive 50k miles per year my guess I'd be gaining points at rate I'd be out of business by the end of two years. Such is the level of enforcement. I have not had an accident in the last 500k miles of driving.
I currenrly have six points, one set ok fair play, one talivanned on a dual through farnborough. I can pass 3 or 4 talivans in one day, let alone countless gatso's.
I can see why people would do it, simply buy a car with tax & mot & don't register it, simple & easy to do, ANPR proof too.
The system has got to such an incriminating level, that it's going to encourage uninsured drivers, which means when they hit us it's going to cost us. I think it's us drivers who are legal that stand up & say enough is enough.
If I drive 50k miles per year my guess I'd be gaining points at rate I'd be out of business by the end of two years. Such is the level of enforcement. I have not had an accident in the last 500k miles of driving.
I currenrly have six points, one set ok fair play, one talivanned on a dual through farnborough. I can pass 3 or 4 talivans in one day, let alone countless gatso's.
I can see why people would do it, simply buy a car with tax & mot & don't register it, simple & easy to do, ANPR proof too.
The system has got to such an incriminating level, that it's going to encourage uninsured drivers, which means when they hit us it's going to cost us. I think it's us drivers who are legal that stand up & say enough is enough.
Agree with you all!
There is big difference between driving dangerously and a ban for 4 rather minor transgressions under the totting up procedure - and it is the latter which is turning decent law abiding folk to a more serious offence of "driving whilst disqualified"
Not a very sensible approach to road safety is it!
(But then chaps - you get 3mph over whatever speed in prissy Switzerland, usually concealed in a wheely bin or otherwise bizarrely disguised - which is why you have to suffer me over 'ere
Oh! They also have high proportion of "chancers" on their roads too. Gosh! Have no idea why of course! )
There is big difference between driving dangerously and a ban for 4 rather minor transgressions under the totting up procedure - and it is the latter which is turning decent law abiding folk to a more serious offence of "driving whilst disqualified"
Not a very sensible approach to road safety is it!
(But then chaps - you get 3mph over whatever speed in prissy Switzerland, usually concealed in a wheely bin or otherwise bizarrely disguised - which is why you have to suffer me over 'ere
Oh! They also have high proportion of "chancers" on their roads too. Gosh! Have no idea why of course!
) nonegreen said:
gone said:
It takes a very strong nerve to deal with a Police officer who has stopped you, yourself knowing that you are committing a serious offence without giving off stress signals which he/she is likely to pick up on and dig deeper.
Get real
When you've done your probationary period at least, I think you may be qualified to comment until then you can roll your eyes all you like. Its you that needs to get real!
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