Crossing double white lines

[S10 GTA]

I got stopped the other night on the A326 spur road, after overtaking a tanker. There was a police dog van parked up who stopped me. The road has a tiny bit of dual lane which is where I passed him, although he didn't make it easy which caused me to half cross the double white line. I was given a fixed penalty, but wondered if I could argue the toss because it was just him in his dog van against me. Help?

[y2blade]

did you cross or straddle the white line with any part of your vehicle?

[scenario8]

So long as the dog was wearing a helmet you're screwed, I'm afraid.

[Road2Ruin]

So you admit you crossed the white lines? Hmmmmmm. Not going to end well for you.

[RegMolehusband]

I think solid white lines are mostly sensibly implemented by traffic engineers so if you crossed them then I should just take it on the chin and try not to do it again.

[S10 GTA]

Yes I did.

Just to clarify before anyone flames me the road is essentially a one way road although there is an industrial estate on it, hence why the white lines.

[y2blade]

S10 GTA said:

Yes I did.

take it on the chin then

[covboy]

S10 GTA said:

Yes I did.

Just to clarify before anyone flames me the road is essentially a one way road although there is an industrial estate on it, hence why the white lines.

"essentially a one way road" ?

Is that like being "nearly pregnant" ? ;-)

[goldblum]

Absolute Offence I'm afraid.

I was given points years ago after overtaking a tractor and when pulling in clipped a double white with a rear wheel.

Police bike caught me,and showed me the video.I'd covered about 3 inches of the inside white line!

Bike Cop admitted his evidence was skeletal but as it was an absolute offence...

[tex200]

S10 GTA said:

Yes I did.

Just to clarify before anyone flames me the road is essentially a one way road although there is an industrial estate on it, hence why the white lines.

I've read this a few times now, but it sure isn't making anything clear to me.

Could you draw a picture of it please?

[marshalla]

goldblum said:

Absolute Offence I'm afraid.

I was given points years ago after overtaking a tractor and when pulling in clipped a double white with a rear wheel.

Police bike caught me,and showed me the video.I'd covered about 3 inches of the inside white line!

Bike Cop admitted his evidence was skeletal but as it was an absolute offence...

Not quite absolute - if the vehicle being overtaken is slow (< 10 mph ISTR) then it is permissible to cross the line.

http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/TravelAndTransport/Hig... (rule 129)

[S10 GTA]

I'll put a map up in a bit. I thought I'd take it on the chin, but just wondered as it was just his word against mine, and no evidence.

[goldblum]

I seem to remember the tractor was trundling along quite happily at a bit more than that,unfortunately.

I think you can also cross x2 whites to overtake bicycles? Might be wrong though.

[Jobbo]

White lines: don't do it.

[SS2.]

goldblum said:

I think you can also cross x2 whites to overtake bicycles? Might be wrong though.

TSRGD 2002 said:

(2) The requirements conveyed by a road marking mentioned in paragraph (1) shall be that—

(b) subject to paragraph (6), every vehicle proceeding on any length of road along which the marking has been so placed that, as viewed in the direction of travel of the vehicle, a continuous line is on the left of a broken line or of another continuous line, shall be so driven as to keep the first-mentioned continuous line on the right hand or off side of the vehicle.

and..

(6) Nothing in paragraph (2)(b) shall be taken to prohibit a vehicle from being driven across, or so as to straddle, the continuous line referred to in that paragraph, if it is safe to do so and if necessary to do so—

(a) to enable the vehicle to enter, from the side of the road on which it is proceeding, land or premises adjacent to the length of road on which the line is placed, or another road joining that road;
(b) in order to pass a stationary vehicle;
(c) owing to circumstances outside the control of the driver;
(d) in order to avoid an accident;
(e) in order to pass a road maintenance vehicle which is in use, is moving at a speed not exceeding 10 mph, and is displaying to the rear the sign shown in diagram 610 or;
(f) in order to pass a pedal cycle moving at a speed not exceeding 10 mph;
(g) in order to pass a horse that is being ridden or led at a speed not exceeding 10 mph; or
(h) for the purposes of complying with any direction of a constable in uniform or a traffic warden.

[goldblum]

Jobbo said:

White lines: don't do it.

= fine and possible custodial sentence.

[Road2Ruin]

Jobbo said:

White lines: don't do it.

What's your name? Zamo?

[rs1952]

RegMolehusband said:

I think solid white lines are mostly sensibly implemented by traffic engineers so if you crossed them then I should just take it on the chin and try not to do it again.

Wandering off on a tangent, I feel that's rather a strong statement.

Solid white lines have been increasingly used in recenty years to take out safe overtaking opportunities, often on dubious pretexts eg. "there's a field entrance that gets used a couple of times a month down that long straight stretch, so we must stop people overtaking there"

[S10 GTA]

Lets see if this works

I overtook near the lights on Jacobs Gutter Lane, the police van was parked in the industrial estate.

http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?f=q&source=s_q&a...

If you zoom in to the street view near the lights (Jacobs Gutter Lane) you will see the two lane section.

[S10 GTA]

rs1952 said:

RegMolehusband said:

I think solid white lines are mostly sensibly implemented by traffic engineers so if you crossed them then I should just take it on the chin and try not to do it again.

Wandering off on a tangent, I feel that's rather a strong statement.

Solid white lines have been increasingly used in recenty years to take out safe overtaking opportunities, often on dubious pretexts eg. "there's a field entrance that gets used a couple of times a month down that long straight stretch, so we must stop people overtaking there"

Have a look at the street view....does this road need double white lines? I don't think so.

Edited by S10 GTA on Monday 8th November 11:39