Crossing double white lines
Discussion
Quinny said:
I got done for NOT crossing the white lines
Came up behind a car on my bike, he moved over and flashed his left indicator for me to pass....
Plenty of room between him and the solid white, so I did..... 3 points and £60 for NOT going over a white line....
Did you leave the scene at something over the posted limit? Otherwise, it doesn't sound as if you did anything wrong.....Came up behind a car on my bike, he moved over and flashed his left indicator for me to pass....
Plenty of room between him and the solid white, so I did..... 3 points and £60 for NOT going over a white line....
RegMolehusband said:
I think solid white lines are mostly sensibly implemented by traffic engineers so if you crossed them then I should just take it on the chin and try not to do it again.
You're 'avin a larff!
http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?num=50&hl=en&...
The double whites along this section suddenly jump from right to left with no warning.
I watched a driver passing a slow tractor suddenly find himself on the wrong side of the double lines here - tractor was towing slowly - I was passing it on the adjacent cycle path!
http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...
The roads engineer responsible for this set up is worse than useless, and is universally despised by nearly all who have to work with him or his hairbrained schemes.
goldblum said:
Absolute Offence I'm afraid.
I was given points years ago after overtaking a tractor and when pulling in clipped a double white with a rear wheel.
Police bike caught me,and showed me the video.I'd covered about 3 inches of the inside white line!
Bike Cop admitted his evidence was skeletal but as it was an absolute offence...
I'd have punched him on the nose, at least the punishment would have fitted the crime.I was given points years ago after overtaking a tractor and when pulling in clipped a double white with a rear wheel.
Police bike caught me,and showed me the video.I'd covered about 3 inches of the inside white line!
Bike Cop admitted his evidence was skeletal but as it was an absolute offence...
Mill Wheel said:
RegMolehusband said:
I think solid white lines are mostly sensibly implemented by traffic engineers so if you crossed them then I should just take it on the chin and try not to do it again.
You're 'avin a larff!
http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?num=50&hl=en&...
The double whites along this section suddenly jump from right to left with no warning.
I watched a driver passing a slow tractor suddenly find himself on the wrong side of the double lines here - tractor was towing slowly - I was passing it on the adjacent cycle path!
http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...
The roads engineer responsible for this set up is worse than useless, and is universally despised by nearly all who have to work with him or his hairbrained schemes.
Mill Wheel said:
RegMolehusband said:
I think solid white lines are mostly sensibly implemented by traffic engineers so if you crossed them then I should just take it on the chin and try not to do it again.
You're 'avin a larff!
http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?num=50&hl=en&...
The double whites along this section suddenly jump from right to left with no warning.
I watched a driver passing a slow tractor suddenly find himself on the wrong side of the double lines here - tractor was towing slowly - I was passing it on the adjacent cycle path!
http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...
The roads engineer responsible for this set up is worse than useless, and is universally despised by nearly all who have to work with him or his hairbrained schemes.
The Traffic Signs Manual sets out precise circumstances, measurements of restricted forward visibility etc, where solid white line systems may be used. The Manual specifically states that solid white line systems should NOT be used where those criteria are not met, as it devalues their message elsewhere (the message being that you can't see very far).
The TSM applies nationally, so it's not really up to individual councils to decide where to use them.
The TSM applies nationally, so it's not really up to individual councils to decide where to use them.
Vipers said:
Well the first one looks like a junction, whats the problem?
Well from a little further back, the road layout looks OK to pass a slow moving vehicle, with the double whites to the right of a hatched lane.http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?num=50&hl=en&...
Then suddenly the double whites jump sides.
The road was originally two lanes UP the hill, with double whites on the single lane down hill stretch. Then inexplicably the Highways Engineer decided to make a hatched lane on the DOWNHILL side, and put the double whites on the UPHILL side, so nobody could overtake a slow crawling HGV or bus going up hill!
Prior to this, a youth was killed after he passed a vehicle going up the hill, but was prevented from merging before double whites at the brow of the hill - by the vehicle he had been trying to pass. He struck an oncoming vehicle, and spun into the path of the one following it and broke his neck.
The new layout has done nothing to alleviate this potential pitfall - and the criss crossing of the double whites along the stretch merely confuses strangers, and is often ignored by regular users who risk all because they think the new layout is stupid and elect to take matters into their own hands!
Why haven't Highways Engineers realised that painted markings designed to slow drivers, are merely seen as a challenge by the very drivers who need to slow down?
This attempt to force drivers into a tighter curve to slow their progress, rather than the quicker direct line... (you need to picture it from the drivers side of the road)
http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?f=q&source=s_q&a...
is good at slowing cautious drivers, but boy racers merely throw themselves into the tighter corner at ridiculous speeds in a show of bravado!
End result? The new layout is more dangerous than the old.
tvrgit said:
The Traffic Signs Manual sets out precise circumstances, measurements of restricted forward visibility etc, where solid white line systems may be used. The Manual specifically states that solid white line systems should NOT be used where those criteria are not met, as it devalues their message elsewhere (the message being that you can't see very far).
The TSM applies nationally, so it's not really up to individual councils to decide where to use them.
Precisely.The TSM applies nationally, so it's not really up to individual councils to decide where to use them.
Everyone I've met can do the job of Highways Designer better than any paid to do it, apparently.
marshalla said:
goldblum said:
Absolute Offence I'm afraid.
I was given points years ago after overtaking a tractor and when pulling in clipped a double white with a rear wheel.
Police bike caught me,and showed me the video.I'd covered about 3 inches of the inside white line!
Bike Cop admitted his evidence was skeletal but as it was an absolute offence...
Not quite absolute - if the vehicle being overtaken is slow (< 10 mph ISTR) then it is permissible to cross the line.I was given points years ago after overtaking a tractor and when pulling in clipped a double white with a rear wheel.
Police bike caught me,and showed me the video.I'd covered about 3 inches of the inside white line!
Bike Cop admitted his evidence was skeletal but as it was an absolute offence...
http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/TravelAndTransport/Hig... (rule 129)
Mill Wheel said:
I certainly wouldn't try anything there - there's a battenburged V70 coming up the road... 
Mill Wheel said:
Vipers said:
Well the first one looks like a junction, whats the problem?
Well from a little further back, the road layout looks OK to pass a slow moving vehicle, with the double whites to the right of a hatched lane.But I am surprised the hatching is not just double whites both sides, anyway you know the road better than I, sometimes difficult to grasp sitting in front of a screen.
8400rpm said:
tvrgit said:
The Traffic Signs Manual sets out precise circumstances, measurements of restricted forward visibility etc, where solid white line systems may be used. The Manual specifically states that solid white line systems should NOT be used where those criteria are not met, as it devalues their message elsewhere (the message being that you can't see very far).
The TSM applies nationally, so it's not really up to individual councils to decide where to use them.
Precisely.The TSM applies nationally, so it's not really up to individual councils to decide where to use them.
Everyone I've met can do the job of Highways Designer better than any paid to do it, apparently.
Sadly, it's also true that there are highway designers and highway designers, some better than others (just as in every profession). I did hear a head of department many years ago at a public meeting, on being interrogated by a Doctor who lived locally (and who was a right royal pain in the arse on every aspect of roads etc in his area) reply by saying "I have already said that this was an error which will be rectified - unfortunately, any errors on my department are on display for all to see - unlike the members of the medical profession who can bury their mistakes - sometimes literally". Didn't go down too well IIRC...
S10 GTA said:
So the general feeling is I should just take it on the chin then, and have 3 points on my licence, which I guess isnt the end of the world.
Unfortunately yes, I think so. Double white lines seem to be one of those areas where pretty much no police officer will exercise discretion - Prime example round where I live would be the climbing lanes on the A69 between Carlisle and Newcastle where various cops (both marked and unmarked) will turn a blind eye to folk going at quite high speeds but will *always* pull over people crossing the solid lines.Quinny said:
defblade said:
Quinny said:
I got done for NOT crossing the white lines
Came up behind a car on my bike, he moved over and flashed his left indicator for me to pass....
Plenty of room between him and the solid white, so I did..... 3 points and £60 for NOT going over a white line....
Did you leave the scene at something over the posted limit? Otherwise, it doesn't sound as if you did anything wrong.....Came up behind a car on my bike, he moved over and flashed his left indicator for me to pass....
Plenty of room between him and the solid white, so I did..... 3 points and £60 for NOT going over a white line....
A mistake I won't be making again
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