60 tonne, 82' 10" road trains outside your local store
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Longer lorries = fewer lorries which = fewer lorry drivers ( i am not one by the way).This also has a knock on effect, less tyre fitters, service technicians, logistics personel, tea boys (you get my drift)
This seems to be the downside of progress, the poulation increases
and the number of available jobs decrease.
This seems to be the downside of progress, the poulation increases
and the number of available jobs decrease.
cahami said:
Longer lorries = fewer lorries which = fewer lorry drivers ( i am not one by the way).This also has a knock on effect, less tyre fitters, service technicians, logistics personel, tea boys (you get my drift)
This seems to be the downside of progress, the poulation increases
and the number of available jobs decrease.
That is a good point. The population is increasing. This seems to be the downside of progress, the poulation increases
and the number of available jobs decrease.
I don't have the figures for fuel consumption of a wagon hauling an additional trailer but I would expect it to be more with the extra weight but significantly less than two wagons carrying the load between them.
The majority of food consumed in the UK is from imports and we are not self sustaining, currently logistics is via road freight as this is the only practical way to deliver goods and the infrastructure is not there for other means. As the population grow the demand on logistics is only going to get greater, as is congestion and the time it takes to get from one place to another, in turn so is the demand on resources such as fuel so many practical measures will need to be taken into account.
Naturally some stores are located in such a place that will not accommodate long vehicles and alternative measures would be taken but that is not to say the idea is without merit.
My message to complainers is this; it seems obvious to me that unless you are able to grow your own food, make everything you need, keep yourself warm and cook your food by burning wood you grow then you have nothing to complain about because just by existing as an individual in an increasing population you are putting a demand on the infrastructure so have minimal rights to complain about the burdens you'll suffer as a result of your own existence.
Edited by RV8 on Tuesday 1st February 14:20
A lex said:
Had them here in NL for ages - infact the haulage company based in the village uses them. They are fine and hardly different to any other truck - stop being so sensationalist OP.
When Tesco took over a local general store, they promised that no articulated vehicles would be used for deliveries, and that only one delivery would be made each day. Now there are at least three deliveries by Tesco-liveried articulated vehicles and several deliveries by non-Tesco vehicles throughout the day.Why?
Well, it's "more convenient".
For whom?
Well, Tesco ... of course.
There will be locations where large companies consider it more economical to deliver using ever-larger vehicles. So it is not unreasonable - and therefore not "sensationalist" - to predict that someone, somewhere, will have a 'road train' delivering to their local convenience store.
Those of us who have lived long enough to have seen that, done that, and worn out several batches of cynicism along the way, generally find that our predictions, based as they are on experience and the evidence of history, do come to pass. Those of the B'Liarite school who eschew the lessons of history, will be continue to be astounded when they creep up and bite them in the bum.
Streaky
PS - besides which, "Small earthquake in China, not many killed", is too many letters for a PH topic title
- SEdited by streaky on Tuesday 1st February 21:08
Scuffers said:
Aussie B-Double
great idea in the UK, like our roads are not already fubar...
As someone who holds an HGV or whatever it's called now I would happily drive that to Scotland and back without causing any problems to any other motorist.great idea in the UK, like our roads are not already fubar...
People not in the logistics game making comments on here about one of those pulling up outside your local Tesco are so far wide of the mark it ain't true.
jayfrancis said:
As someone who holds an HGV or whatever it's called now I would happily drive that to Scotland and back without causing any problems to any other motorist.
People not in the logistics game making comments on here about one of those pulling up outside your local Tesco are so far wide of the mark it ain't true.
seem to remember the very same argument when we went from 32tonne max...People not in the logistics game making comments on here about one of those pulling up outside your local Tesco are so far wide of the mark it ain't true.
speedchick said:
Well you have to keep these truckies in line!
I just couldn't for the life of me think of the correct terms needed, as most of what I know about trucking was restricted to the theory test questions, not really something I have a lot of interest in, just that I know his only goes to around 20 tonnes or something like that.
I'll shut up now shall I
Various Artic units can be built to cope with certain train weights, and units can also be down plated to a lower train weight to benefit from lower tax. I know when I did some work for a company they ran their artic down plated to the minimum tax bracket as they didn't need the full train weight, and their artic was only a single drive axle as well.I just couldn't for the life of me think of the correct terms needed, as most of what I know about trucking was restricted to the theory test questions, not really something I have a lot of interest in, just that I know his only goes to around 20 tonnes or something like that.
I'll shut up now shall I
Cyberprog said:
Various Artic units can be built to cope with certain train weights, and units can also be down plated to a lower train weight to benefit from lower tax. I know when I did some work for a company they ran their artic down plated to the minimum tax bracket as they didn't need the full train weight, and their artic was only a single drive axle as well.
You don't need anymore than a single drive axle on any truck weather it pulls 1, 2 or 10 trailers on the road or off road, It's been proved time and time again. Take a close look at almost all 3 axle tractor units on our roads and they all have single drive. Double drive as you see on most yank tractors actually have less traction than our single drive units. It's all about weight distribution. jayfrancis said:
Cyberprog said:
Various Artic units can be built to cope with certain train weights, and units can also be down plated to a lower train weight to benefit from lower tax. I know when I did some work for a company they ran their artic down plated to the minimum tax bracket as they didn't need the full train weight, and their artic was only a single drive axle as well.
You don't need anymore than a single drive axle on any truck weather it pulls 1, 2 or 10 trailers on the road or off road, It's been proved time and time again. Take a close look at almost all 3 axle tractor units on our roads and they all have single drive. Double drive as you see on most yank tractors actually have less traction than our single drive units. It's all about weight distribution. cahami said:
Longer lorries = fewer lorries which = fewer lorry drivers ( i am not one by the way).This also has a knock on effect, less tyre fitters, service technicians, logistics personel, tea boys (you get my drift)
This seems to be the downside of progress, the poulation increases
and the number of available jobs decrease.
The Luddites had the same thoughts This seems to be the downside of progress, the poulation increases
and the number of available jobs decrease.
They were wrong. Scuffers said:
All very interesting. I was just making the point that single drive trucks are better than double drive trucks in those sort of conditions. Do you think a truck with double drive axles would fair any better in those conditions?jayfrancis said:
Scuffers said:
All very interesting. I was just making the point that single drive trucks are better than double drive trucks in those sort of conditions. Do you think a truck with double drive axles would fair any better in those conditions?you can't argue with the laws of physics.
Scuffers said:
no 'think' about it.
you can't argue with the laws of physics.
Well I don't profess to know all the laws of physics.you can't argue with the laws of physics.
But I know this. Whatever weight you have over your drive axle is going to be halved if you spread it over 2 drive axles. It's the weight that gives traction and if you halve it the wheels will spin even more. The non driving axle on single drive trucks can be lifted to increase weight on the drive axle hence more traction. There are some situations though when any truck will get stuck.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P-FVBJw6En4&fea...
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