Police clock driver at 150mph
Discussion
blademan said:
Hi Street.
Last year I was behind an artic doing around 40 on my 'blade. So I overtook the lorry , and by the time I was past it I was doing 110. I then throttled back down to around 85. If you saw this would you give me a tug / and/or nick me?
Incidentally, there was a BiB Volvo parked in a layby and they either didnt see me or wern't bothered, because they didnt give chase. Must admit though, I think I must have left a brown trail behind me for a mile or two after
Hiya Blademan...
Describe road layout, other traffic and the limit on that road please...
Gaz
Streetcop said:
Hiya Blademan...
Describe road layout, other traffic and the limit on that road please...
Gaz
blademan said:
Hi Street.
Last year I was behind an artic doing around 40 on my 'blade. So I overtook the lorry , and by the time I was past it I was doing 110. I then throttled back down to around 85. If you saw this would you give me a tug / and/or nick me?
Incidentally, there was a BiB Volvo parked in a layby and they either didnt see me or wern't bothered, because they didnt give chase. Must admit though, I think I must have left a brown trail behind me for a mile or two after
I turned left onto the A5 coming from the A426.
A couple of hundred yards or so on the left is the layby. Either side of the road at this point is open country, and the road opens into a dual carriageway further up the road. Limit is 60mph at this point and Plenty of room to overtake. PS Not done it since then because of seeing the BiB in the layby
gh0st said:
IOLAIRE said:
Streetcop said:
150mph is too fast....period.
Y'know Street, I remember you telling me that you could get a true 159MPH out of your S70.
I take it you weren't going round Silverstone at the time??!!
It's still too fast....even for me...
But not for other people maybe? People are excel at different things despite their profession. I did read in the paper a while ago about some WPC who "was scared about driving on the motorway in the dark"
Sheeeesh...
Yes, we should be wary of imposing our own limitations on others.
Depends really...
If I clocked a biker in those circumstances who had executed a nicely planned overtake on such a HGV...and it wasn't on the approach to a junction, bend etc..then I might just have a word in his/her shell like...
The problem occurs of course with the argument that 110mph past a 40mph vehicle is a bit over cooking it.
However, I don't think it would warrant a ticket in that area..(NSL, countryside etc etc)...
If I clocked a biker in those circumstances who had executed a nicely planned overtake on such a HGV...and it wasn't on the approach to a junction, bend etc..then I might just have a word in his/her shell like...
The problem occurs of course with the argument that 110mph past a 40mph vehicle is a bit over cooking it.
However, I don't think it would warrant a ticket in that area..(NSL, countryside etc etc)...
Streetcop said:
Depends really...
If I clocked a biker in those circumstances who had executed a nicely planned overtake on such a HGV...and it wasn't on the approach to a junction, bend etc..then I might just have a word in his/her shell like...
The problem occurs of course with the argument that 110mph past a 40mph vehicle is a bit over cooking it.
However, I don't think it would warrant a ticket in that area..(NSL, countryside etc etc)...
Thanks Street.
I know what you are saying about speed differential, but surely it is safer to pass quickly but safely, rather than me poodling past at say 60?
You know yourself how a small twist of the wrist translates from 40 to 110 in seconds. I felt that staying adjacent to the lorry for longer by keeping near to the limit was more dangerous than what I did.
blademan said:
Depends really...
If I clocked a biker in those circumstances who had executed a nicely planned overtake on such a HGV...and it wasn't on the approach to a junction, bend etc..then I might just have a word in his/her shell like...
The problem occurs of course with the argument that 110mph past a 40mph vehicle is a bit over cooking it.
However, I don't think it would warrant a ticket in that area..(NSL, countryside etc etc)...
Thanks Street.
I know what you are saying about speed differential, but surely it is safer to pass quickly but safely, rather than me poodling past at say 60?
You know yourself how a small twist of the wrist translates from 40 to 110 in seconds. I felt that staying adjacent to the lorry for longer by keeping near to the limit was more dangerous than what I did.
Once you have decided to overtake, I think you then have two choices:
You can pass your HGV with a small speed differential, in which case you spend a little while alongside it, which I am not comfortable with, so I'm wary of that.
Alternatively you can whizz past with a large speed differential but this means you are more at risk if the HGV driver does something weird, or his vehicle suffers a sudden problem, or something else gets in your way having previously been hidden from your view by the HGV.
There is a reasonable compromise to be found somewhere is there not?
Moderation in all things eh?
Best wishes all,
Dave.
TripleS said:
Once you have decided to overtake, I think you then have two choices:
You can pass your HGV with a small speed differential, in which case you spend a little while alongside it, which I am not comfortable with, so I'm wary of that.
Alternatively you can whizz past with a large speed differential but this means you are more at risk if the HGV driver does something weird, or his vehicle suffers a sudden problem, or something else gets in your way having previously been hidden from your view by the HGV.
Dave.
I always aim for about 20mph max difference, too fast and you can startle people (or it might be the rozzers!), too slow is dangerous because time (and therefore distance) = safety, so you want to get out of that situation.
There used to be a phrase 'slow in, fast out' for driving which usually works out well, although you need a little speed advantage for the numpties who speed up, to save having to run them off the road if there is something coming the other way.
Streetcop said:
Dave..
Not actually saying I disagreed..just that I wouldn't overtake a HGV on a single lane carraigeway road unless I knew there was someplace for me to go in front, no junctions that I would pass during the overtake...and no car oncoming that would leave me in 'no mans land'.
Agree with this. It's not the speed used in passing as such that's an issue; if the conditions above are met, then, within reason (i.e. not spinning wheels with minimal control) it's best to get past as quickly as possible.
groucho said:
I've done 150 before and it took all my concentration, I couldn't have talked, to even a passenger, but I'm a man and we're not very good at multi-tasking.
Grouch.
tell me about it , i have to put my knitting on the passenger seat at those speeds and get off my mobile and put my bottle of coke down as well .
150 is just like 70 on a bike just windy'er (sp?)
Streetcop said:
Depends really...
If I clocked a biker in those circumstances who had executed a nicely planned overtake on such a HGV...and it wasn't on the approach to a junction, bend etc..then I might just have a word in his/her shell like...
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Only if he decided to let you get anywhere near him...... ever
edited to say unless u are also on a bike of course
>> Edited by nonegreen on Thursday 3rd February 22:50
Streetcop said:
150mph is too fast....period.
Gary old chap, you'll have to quantify that!! 150mph is not particularly fast, roads and conditions and all that......I regularly drive at speeds well in excess of 150mph and have not killed anyone or had an (self caused, had numpties bump into me!) accident in 2 MILLION kms! Mind you not on British roads.........
On a british road unless it's on the M6 north of Lancaster with no traffic then agreed its slightly OTT!!
Plotloss said:
So you do 150mph, dont hit anyone and continue the journey safely home.
You havent harmed anyone at all.
Why is it an offence? I just dont get it.
Speed should be a mitigating circumstance without doubt but a crime in its own right?
Seems preposterous to me...
Cars, humans and roads have inherant design limitations and you can't trust all people to remain within them.
Simple & cost-effective answer: set limits (speed limit, weight limit, width limit, etc.). Streetcop said:
Dave..
Not actually saying I disagreed..just that I wouldn't overtake a HGV on a single lane carraigeway road unless I knew there was someplace for me to go in front, no junctions that I would pass during the overtake...and no car oncoming that would leave me in 'no mans land'.
Street.
This is exactly what I planned before said overtake.
This was as safe as I could make it. My point being was the 110mph terminal speed. If a scammer was around, that is the speed that would have been recorded. But in fact, looking at the entire overtake, taking all things into account that I had, it was safe. I reckon a "reasonable" BiB would have agreed; perhaps with a caution of " it was safely executed but watch the speed....others may not have been so generous" or somthing along those lines. This is precisely why scamming ( esp mobile ) contributes nothing to road safety. Had I been stopped, and the BiB said what I have outlined, I would have taken the speed factor into account the next time it happened. With the scam fine, I would have thought "f*****g typical. I plan a well executed overtake and all he is interested is in the terminal speed, which would have lasted for a criminally long few seconds.
Plotloss said:
So you do 150mph, dont hit anyone and continue the journey safely home.
You havent harmed anyone at all.
Why is it an offence? I just dont get it.
Speed should be a mitigating circumstance without doubt but a crime in its own right?
Seems preposterous to me...
I agree completely, exceeding a speed limit should not, of itself, be an offence at all.
While 150 mph is outside my own experience, that does not lead me to say that no one else can do it safely.
As Carl effectively said, you steadily build up to the use of higher speeds over a period (I would say perhaps a few years) refining and consolidating your skills as you go. It would seem wrong to me to jump into a very fast car for the first time and stick your foot down and immediately try to see how fast you can go. That would not be my way.
Best wishes all,
Dave.
JMGS4 said:
150mph is too fast....period.
Gary old chap, you'll have to quantify that!! 150mph is not particularly fast, roads and conditions and all that......I regularly drive at speeds well in excess of 150mph and have not killed anyone or had an (self caused, had numpties bump into me!) accident in 2 MILLION kms! Mind you not on British roads.........
On a british road unless it's on the M6 north of Lancaster with no traffic then agreed its slightly OTT!!
Erm I beg to differ I did 165 on the GPS a few weeks ago (Speedo indicated 170+) It was for a short burst and the worst possible scenario was me getting snotted as no other road users around at the time and no nearby housing or even road furniture. Whats the problem?
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