Nasty attack on female motorist by cyclist.

[Jasandjules]

mybrainhurts said:

So that's all right, then. What a relief...

I think he was replying to me with the information I was in effect asking for.

And it now says multiple bruises etc and so on whereas I think when I as at Uni the caselaw was any breaking of the skin was GBH but when I did additional training it was being watered down which I thought at the time was for statistics reasons...

And Parrot, no, I can defend myself without punching someone as a general rule, and I would not punch a woman - even if she hits me. That's just the way I was brought up.

[Pothole]

Noger said:

Pothole said:

Noger said:

Pothole said:

how hard would that have to be, Doctor?

Can we guarantee it was a punch and not a slap? I would have thought (with no medical training whatsoever so just off the top of my head) that a cupped hand might be more likely to perforate the drum than a closed fist...

Why does it matter ? It is still ABH.

it matters simply because the point was made that it must have been hard to perforate the ear drum. For all we know the silly cow could have the most sensitive drums known to medical science.

Why was she a "silly cow" ?

I thought we didn't know everything yet, and yet you are blaming her for everything.

Jesus,I thought school holidays were over

no I'm not 'blaming her for everything' I just don't believe she was completely innocent. She is a silly cow if she had no idea if she had hit the bloke with her lethal weapon or not. If she wasn't silly she could have known that she hadn't been anywhere near close enough to him.

[Pothole]

davepoth said:

Pothole said:

think in that specific scenario it may prevent you from getting slapped by a munter.

Also, see Nagasaki/Hiroshima

Or, if I wasn't sprawled on the pavement with broken limbs, I could just ride off.

I'll see you Nagasaki/Hiroshima and raise you Pearl Harbor. If Japan hadn't kicked off, there wouldn't have been Nagasaki/Hiroshima.

Thanks for the not at all patronising history lesson.

[davepoth]

Pothole said:

hanks for the not at all patronising history lesson.

You're welcome.

[F i F]

Pothole said:

I might stop and see if they were alright, yes.

Only might stop? Seriously?

Problem with the original article is that it is short on facts, apart from that it was rush hour, thus presumably limited road space.

No mention of what the possible collision was or how it came about.
No mention of whether the blow was following an argument or an opening pre-emptive strike or anything.
Rather poor reporting.

[Pothole]

F i F said:

Pothole said:

I might stop and see if they were alright, yes.

Only might stop? Seriously?

Problem with the original article is that it is short on facts, apart from that it was rush hour, thus presumably limited road space.

No mention of what the possible collision was or how it came about.
No mention of whether the blow was following an argument or an opening pre-emptive strike or anything.
Rather poor reporting.

I usually give cyclists about 5 feet of elbow room (although I'm not that fussed if someone thinks 6" is plenty when I'm riding as long as they're not in a truck doing 50+) so if I pulled ahead of one and saw them wobble and fall off, I 'only' might stop, depending on conditions and whether I was going somewhere important. Cyclists fall off all the time, I do occasionally myself. Having someone stop to 'help' is usually more embarrassing than anything else.

[F i F]

Pothole said:

F i F said:

Pothole said:

I might stop and see if they were alright, yes.

Only might stop? Seriously?

Problem with the original article is that it is short on facts, apart from that it was rush hour, thus presumably limited road space.

No mention of what the possible collision was or how it came about.
No mention of whether the blow was following an argument or an opening pre-emptive strike or anything.
Rather poor reporting.

I usually give cyclists about 5 feet of elbow room (although I'm not that fussed if someone thinks 6" is plenty when I'm riding as long as they're not in a truck doing 50+) so if I pulled ahead of one and saw them wobble and fall off, I 'only' might stop, depending on conditions and whether I was going somewhere important. Cyclists fall off all the time, I do occasionally myself. Having someone stop to 'help' is usually more embarrassing than anything else.

Yep I usually give the room that if they wobbled and fell sideways I'd not run over their head.

My trainer made it very clear that you always stop if the cyclist wobbled off as without ind witnesses someone of not entirely altruistic bent could make a leaving the scene complaint.

No idea if that has ever been done.

[singlecoil]

swerni said:

singlecoil said:

swerni said:

singlecoil said:

I expect some cyclists will be along shortly to say it was the woman's fault.

nothing constructive to say then

Nor have you apparently, but at least what I said was humourous.

About as as funny as a "cool story bro" picture.

I would said it was closer to pathetic than funny.

And you obviously have some issues of your own to work through before you will be able to correctly judge the attitude of others. In any case, what I said has already been shown to have more than a grain of truth in it.

[Pothole]

F i F said:

Pothole said:

F i F said:

Pothole said:

I might stop and see if they were alright, yes.

Only might stop? Seriously?

Problem with the original article is that it is short on facts, apart from that it was rush hour, thus presumably limited road space.

No mention of what the possible collision was or how it came about.
No mention of whether the blow was following an argument or an opening pre-emptive strike or anything.
Rather poor reporting.

I usually give cyclists about 5 feet of elbow room (although I'm not that fussed if someone thinks 6" is plenty when I'm riding as long as they're not in a truck doing 50+) so if I pulled ahead of one and saw them wobble and fall off, I 'only' might stop, depending on conditions and whether I was going somewhere important. Cyclists fall off all the time, I do occasionally myself. Having someone stop to 'help' is usually more embarrassing than anything else.

Yep I usually give the room that if they wobbled and fell sideways I'd not run over their head.

My trainer made it very clear that you always stop if the cyclist wobbled off as without ind witnesses someone of not entirely altruistic bent could make a leaving the scene complaint.

No idea if that has ever been done.

tbh I don't spend much time watching passed cyclists in my rear view mirror, there are too many other things to look out for in front of one these days!

[shouldbworking]

A reminder on the law of the land.

You can hit a person in self defence. You can hit pre-emptively, if you feel there is a threat. You can be wrong about that threat, and the defence will still be valid.

If this cyclist felt threatened by the womans actions then he will be entirely in the clear. Given that she had by her own admission come close enough to him with her car to be unsure if she had struck him with it, there clearly was the potential for a threat to be perceived.

[Silver]

I'm quite surprised by some of the extrapolations, assumptions and comments on here given the lack of detail in the link.

As far as I can make out, a driver thinks they may have clipped a cyclist and stops like any decent responsible person instead of just driving off and is physically attacked for their pains.

Personally, I can't see how the assault is justified yet clearly some people seem to have decided that it is. Oddness.

[Pothole]

Silver said:

I'm quite surprised by some of the extrapolations, assumptions and comments on here given the lack of detail in the link.

As far as I can make out, a driver thinks they may have clipped a cyclist and stops like any decent responsible person instead of just driving off and is physically attacked for their pains.

Personally, I can't see how the assault is justified yet clearly some people seem to have decided that it is. Oddness.

I think you've extrapolated a lot of justification where there isn't much. I think there is much more to the story than has been reported.

[shouldbworking]

Silver said:

I'm quite surprised by some of the extrapolations, assumptions and comments on here given the lack of detail in the link.

As far as I can make out, a driver thinks they may have clipped a cyclist and stops like any decent responsible person instead of just driving off and is physically attacked for their pains.

Personally, I can't see how the assault is justified yet clearly some people seem to have decided that it is. Oddness.

This may shock you, but sometimes people lie in police statements

[Silver]

Pothole said:

I think you've extrapolated a lot of justification where there isn't much. I think there is much more to the story than has been reported.

Why?

[supertouring]

Mr GrimNasty said:

He was wearing dark or purple leggings

Maybe they should be checking the local dance studios?

[Martyn D]

When a push bike has to display a valid tax disc and the "driver" has full liability insurance they will have a voice....until then they are wrong, whatever happens

[Pothole]

Silver said:

Pothole said:

I think you've extrapolated a lot of justification where there isn't much. I think there is much more to the story than has been reported.

Why?

because there always is. These threads remind me of the Daily Mail 'poor old man arrested with penknife' story. Turned out he was driving pissed and had previously been heard threatening to kill someone with a knife.

[deevlash]

Edited by Stuart on Sunday 27th March 22:21

[flemke]

Silver said:

I'm quite surprised by some of the extrapolations, assumptions and comments on here given the lack of detail in the link.

As far as I can make out, a driver thinks they may have clipped a cyclist and stops like any decent responsible person instead of just driving off and is physically attacked for their pains.

Personally, I can't see how the assault is justified yet clearly some people seem to have decided that it is. Oddness.

Because the scenario described by one party, whilst possible, seems unlikely:
- Not sure if my car may have brushed him,
- stopped to say, "Sorry if my car brushed you",
- so he beat the crap out of me.

Maybe that really is what happened, but it would help to hear the cyclist's version of the incident.

[Silver]

Pothole said:

Silver said:

Pothole said:

I think you've extrapolated a lot of justification where there isn't much. I think there is much more to the story than has been reported.

Why?

because there always is. These threads remind me of the Daily Mail 'poor old man arrested with penknife' story. Turned out he was driving pissed and had previously been heard threatening to kill someone with a knife.

I suppose that's kind of my point. You're assuming there's more to the story because you have decided there always is and as a result you seem to have decided (apologies if I'm misunderstanding you here) that the assault was justified.

There may or may not be more to the story but I find it odd that this thread appears to be shaping up into pages of justifying pre-emptively assaulting another person and assuming that the victim of an assault (in the absence of any other information) deserved it.