Sneaky Man with Hairdryer needs a Wallop

Sneaky Man with Hairdryer needs a Wallop

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andoverben

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429 posts

241 months

Monday 17th May 2004
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I was driving between Andover and Salisbury today on the A343 around 11:00, on coming up to the Army base near Wallop I was greeted by several cars flashing their lights and waving at me out of the window. [ I have now cottoned on to the fact that in all likelyhood they are warning me that there is probably a Hairdryer touting Man in a Van up ahead and my 'press on' style of driving might attract unwanted attention. As opposed to hey there young whippersnapper you are driving far too fast on this clear dry bit of road and should proceed at 40mph like we are in a NSL which would of course be greeted with a salute of the 2 fingered variety. (I would just like to appologise to the man in a Mondeo about 4 weeks ago on the A303 who warned of a Hairdresser and I took his warning the wrong way!)] I slowed down to see a Police car in a Layby with another Panda Fiesta Parked further down the road Mounted up on the pavement so it could be hidden behind a large potted plant!!!! cue him out of the car holding what looks like a gun hidden behind his back!!

I warned anyone coming the opposite way of this gratutious use of the vegitation. Surely if they are supposed to be a deterent then the idea is you can see them? How would one stand if you were caught by him, would it be possible to argue that he was not visible? am I right in thinking they are supposed to be so for any ticket to stand?

puggit

48,512 posts

249 months

Monday 17th May 2004
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Have you ever thought about phoning up the BiB and tell them about the gun toting man behind the potted plant?

B19 JAE

297 posts

244 months

Tuesday 18th May 2004
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As an EX PLOD, 10 years back in me youth thort it wud be a good idea to be a bobby stuk it fo three years but woz bord daft wi the job, but I digress, as far as I remember from my days you had to be in full uniform so when you get the man with a hair dryer on a hot sunny day with no hat on no tie no dayglo jacket or gloves he in theory cannot give you a ticket as he or she is not in full uniform.
A tchniclity but its happened to me when a wer in the job, not for a motoring offence tho.

WMHV70

12,938 posts

241 months

Tuesday 18th May 2004
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IIRC - It's been held that the absence of tie, hat etc doesn't mean a PC is not in uniform. I'm sure JeffreyArcher or DwightVanDriver will be aware of this one...

puggit

48,512 posts

249 months

Tuesday 18th May 2004
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It has been covered before and I believe case law shows that to be correct.

IIRC the only law that still stands is that a traffic warden in the City of London needs to be wearing full uniform including a hat for the ticket to stand

woodytvr

622 posts

247 months

Tuesday 18th May 2004
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What's IIRC?

puggit

48,512 posts

249 months

Tuesday 18th May 2004
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IIRC = If I remember correctly

puggit

48,512 posts

249 months

Tuesday 18th May 2004
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Here we go:

www.parkingticket.co.uk/em.html

Is it true that a parking ticket is not valid if it is issued by a parking attendant not wearing a hat?

The Department for Transport guidance circular 1/95 says “…when carrying out prescribed functions, and issuing a PCN is one such, [parking attendants] are subject to the Parking Attendants (Wearing of Uniforms) (London) regulations 1993.”

The National Parking Adjudication Service says that, in view of circular 1/95 PAs should wear hats during enforcement activity, but goes on to say that a PA not wearing headgear would not in itself be grounds for an appeal but could be considered as part of an appeal. The adjudicator would have to give it the importance he thought relevant to the case.

woodytvr

622 posts

247 months

Tuesday 18th May 2004
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puggit said:
IIRC = If I remember correctly


Thanks

Dwight VanDriver

6,583 posts

245 months

Tuesday 18th May 2004
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Wallwork v Giles 1970 - Plod in uniform other than his helmet held to be in uniform.

Taylor v Baldwin 1976 - raincoat over uniform - in the absence of evidence to the contrary a court is entitled to assume PC was in unform.

Basically if Magistrates come to the conclusion that which was worn by Plod resembled something that a reasonable person would Yup Plod then uniform.

DVD

hertsbiker

6,314 posts

272 months

Tuesday 18th May 2004
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Hmm. Prat in Essex Scam van. No markings on rear of van, only on front. Thus only visible too late. Unless like me, you had a sudden attack of paranoia and shutdown early. Trouble would be most of you guys have front number plates... Not happy with this new trend.

deltaf

6,806 posts

254 months

Tuesday 18th May 2004
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hertsbiker said:
Hmm. Prat in Essex Scam van. No markings on rear of van, only on front. Thus only visible too late. Unless like me, you had a sudden attack of paranoia and shutdown early. Trouble would be most of you guys have front number plates... Not happy with this new trend.


Number plates? Explain "Number plates" carl? Please?

SpudGunner

472 posts

260 months

Wednesday 19th May 2004
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He's on a motor bike!

They dont have front plates, but cars, vans etc do!