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justleanitupabit said:
fergus said:
coppice said:
Caterham's conduct at the 60th was disgraceful.
Was it a case of a no-show, or a poor-show on their part?Caterham - "No you're alright thanks"
Frankly I don't blame Caterham at all.
Surely there are 2 things going on here, maybe more.
1. The club membership deciding to keep the L7C name. This has to be short sighted on a grand scale, particularly when we know that car club's need the support of the manufacture, we all know that Caterham are very Brand focused.
2. The L7C now moves forward without any factory support with a membership that doesn't own the said car the club represents, other than a few. (That is madness)
Question: If the club changed its name would Caterham support it?
Whilst both parties are standing in their own corners and being stubborn nobody wins. In the end the L7C has way more to lose.
1. The club membership deciding to keep the L7C name. This has to be short sighted on a grand scale, particularly when we know that car club's need the support of the manufacture, we all know that Caterham are very Brand focused.
2. The L7C now moves forward without any factory support with a membership that doesn't own the said car the club represents, other than a few. (That is madness)
Question: If the club changed its name would Caterham support it?
Whilst both parties are standing in their own corners and being stubborn nobody wins. In the end the L7C has way more to lose.
justleanitupabit said:
L7C - "Hi Caterham, please support us even though we refuse to acknowledge the name of the product changed 40 years ago"
Caterham - "No you're alright thanks"
Frankly I don't blame Caterham at all.
But that was not what actually happened The narrative was actually more on the basis of CC agreeing to have a joint event, including committing resources to it . At the 11th hour they pulled out. Caterham - "No you're alright thanks"
Frankly I don't blame Caterham at all.
Edited by coppice on Monday 12th November 17:47
Yes, I have heard from people who know what happened, that Caterham encouraged the club to go for an expensive venue, made lots of promises and then dropped out at the last minute. And the club name was the same throughout the episode so is only a poor excuse IF Caterham even said that.I
Remember also, that the whole time Graham Nearne ran Caterham, he was always pointing out the link to the Lotus Seven and paid good money to be allowed to build a continuation product.
However much the components have changed, the exterior dimensions and appearance of an S3 Seven are pretty much as designed by Lotus back in the sixties.
Remember also, that the whole time Graham Nearne ran Caterham, he was always pointing out the link to the Lotus Seven and paid good money to be allowed to build a continuation product.
However much the components have changed, the exterior dimensions and appearance of an S3 Seven are pretty much as designed by Lotus back in the sixties.
downsman said:
Yes, I have heard from people who know what happened, that Caterham encouraged the club to go for an expensive venue, made lots of promises and then dropped out at the last minute. And the club name was the same throughout the episode so is only a poor excuse IF Caterham even said that.I
Remember also, that the whole time Graham Nearne ran Caterham, he was always pointing out the link to the Lotus Seven and paid good money to be allowed to build a continuation product.
However much the components have changed, the exterior dimensions and appearance of an S3 Seven are pretty much as designed by Lotus back in the sixties.
And those two final paragraphs encapsulate why L7C needs to change - Sadly the Nearns are no longer involved and Caterham have produced the Seven for way longer than Lotus did. Remember also, that the whole time Graham Nearne ran Caterham, he was always pointing out the link to the Lotus Seven and paid good money to be allowed to build a continuation product.
However much the components have changed, the exterior dimensions and appearance of an S3 Seven are pretty much as designed by Lotus back in the sixties.
Given that the L7C refused to make available to the members the communication between CC and the committee tells us a lot by omission.
rene7 said:
The one thing I don't understand about Lotus 7 club is the fact that 99.99% of people in the club own Caterhams???????
Is this because they all want to associate their brand new shiny Caterhams with the heritage of the World famous 3300 or so Genuine, Scruffy/Well used Lotus maunufactured 7's ??
It would be better IMO if all the shiny Caterham owners in the L7 club left & formed their own club and called it the C7 club??
That way all us L7 owners would only have to deal with other L7 owners on Blatchat & within the L7 Club itself - seems like a common sense plan to me for both sets of owners
I'm sure Caterham Cars would like this situation too
If that happened I, and I'm certain many other L7 owners would rejoin the real Lotus7 club
Having said that there are a few decent Caterham owners within the current L7 club [In fact my best mate owns a C7 [hi T ] who respect us older L7 owners, though from my experience these are well in the minority which is very sad indeed
I'm sure plenty will disagree - but what other current car club can you name with the wrong club title DUH ?????
It's time for Caterham owners to move on, and leave the L7 club to people who own real L7's
There is a "Heritage" section of the L7C for real Lotus 7 owners, organised by Rod Thonger https://www.lotus7.club/area-meetings/heritageIs this because they all want to associate their brand new shiny Caterhams with the heritage of the World famous 3300 or so Genuine, Scruffy/Well used Lotus maunufactured 7's ??
It would be better IMO if all the shiny Caterham owners in the L7 club left & formed their own club and called it the C7 club??
That way all us L7 owners would only have to deal with other L7 owners on Blatchat & within the L7 Club itself - seems like a common sense plan to me for both sets of owners
I'm sure Caterham Cars would like this situation tooIf that happened I, and I'm certain many other L7 owners would rejoin the real Lotus7 club
Having said that there are a few decent Caterham owners within the current L7 club [In fact my best mate owns a C7 [hi T
] who respect us older L7 owners, though from my experience these are well in the minority which is very sad indeedI'm sure plenty will disagree - but what other current car club can you name with the wrong club title DUH ?????
It's time for Caterham owners to move on, and leave the L7 club to people who own real L7's
Helluvaname said:
There is a "Heritage" section of the L7C for real Lotus 7 owners, organised by Rod Thonger https://www.lotus7.club/area-meetings/heritage
Its all politics. Caterham are out of order if they back pedaled on a deal they agreed to, but they do have the right not support a car they dont make.The whole thing is b
ks, CHANGE THE DAM NAME L7C, what's your problem.Edited by Trackdayguy on Monday 12th November 22:12
Reasonable points made within this thread let me add something:-
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The only part which is fitted to my REAL Lotus 7 and still fitted to a New base model Caterham are the front Brakes, they originally came from a Triumph Spitfire
Of course the Faster Caterhams - R series etc, have Vented front discs so have NO connection whatsoever with Colin Chapman's REAL Lotus 7's, so why can these cars be included in the Lotus 7 club???? We all know what caterham owners think of 7 copies such as Westfields, Duttons and Robin Hoods,
Clearly all the Caterham owners need to move on and form the caterham C7 club That's assuming there's enough interest to warrant a C7 club?
Another way of making this happen is for us Lotus 7 owners to exclude all Caterhams from the Lotus 7 club
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Why should Real Lotus 7's be relegated to the Heritage Section linked above??????????????
Whoever proposed that nonsense should be booted out of the club immediately
Lotus 7 Club - It's our club fk all the Caterham owners 
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The only part which is fitted to my REAL Lotus 7 and still fitted to a New base model Caterham are the front Brakes, they originally came from a Triumph Spitfire
Of course the Faster Caterhams - R series etc, have Vented front discs so have NO connection whatsoever with Colin Chapman's REAL Lotus 7's, so why can these cars be included in the Lotus 7 club???? We all know what caterham owners think of 7 copies such as Westfields, Duttons and Robin Hoods,
Clearly all the Caterham owners need to move on and form the caterham C7 club
That's assuming there's enough interest to warrant a C7 club?Another way of making this happen is for us Lotus 7 owners to exclude all Caterhams from the Lotus 7 club
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Why should Real Lotus 7's be relegated to the Heritage Section linked above??????????????
Whoever proposed that nonsense should be booted out of the club immediately
Lotus 7 Club - It's our club f
k all the Caterham owners Edited by rene7 on Monday 12th November 22:43
rene7 said:
Reasonable points made within this thread let me add something:-
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The only part which is fitted to my REAL Lotus 7 and still fitted to a New base model Caterham are the front Brakes, they originally came from a Triumph Spitfire
Of course the Faster Caterhams - R series etc, have Vented front discs so have NO connection whatsoever with Colin Chapman's REAL Lotus 7's, so why can these cars be included in the Lotus 7 club???? We all know what caterham owners think of 7 copies such as Westfields, Duttons and Robin Hoods,
Clearly all the Caterham owners need to move on and form the caterham C7 club That's assuming there's enough interest to warrant a C7 club?
Another way of making this happen is for us Lotus 7 owners to exclude all Caterhams from the Lotus 7 club
>
Why should Real Lotus 7's be relegated to the Heritage Section linked above??????????????
Whoever proposed that nonsense should be booted out of the club immediately
Lotus 7 Club - It's our club fk all the Caterham owners
Why so angry? I have belonged to the club for many years and really do not understand why you want to be so divisive ->
The only part which is fitted to my REAL Lotus 7 and still fitted to a New base model Caterham are the front Brakes, they originally came from a Triumph Spitfire
Of course the Faster Caterhams - R series etc, have Vented front discs so have NO connection whatsoever with Colin Chapman's REAL Lotus 7's, so why can these cars be included in the Lotus 7 club???? We all know what caterham owners think of 7 copies such as Westfields, Duttons and Robin Hoods,
Clearly all the Caterham owners need to move on and form the caterham C7 club
That's assuming there's enough interest to warrant a C7 club?Another way of making this happen is for us Lotus 7 owners to exclude all Caterhams from the Lotus 7 club
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Why should Real Lotus 7's be relegated to the Heritage Section linked above??????????????
Whoever proposed that nonsense should be booted out of the club immediately
Lotus 7 Club - It's our club f
k all the Caterham owners Edited by rene7 on Monday 12th November 22:43
- don't make asinine comments about what Caterham owners think of Westfields etc ' .You certainly don't speak for me - some of my best friends own Westfields....
- the Club recently formed a heritage section precisely to give more emphasis to Lotus 7s . Knowing some of the people behind the initiative they are real enthusiasts . Why be so rude about people who share your passion ?
- the Club is a broad church of enthusiasts , many of whom own both Lotus and Caterham 7s
- Obviously , as the Lotus 7 was last produced 45 years ago , there are far more Caterhams than Lotuses, and so your breakaway Club will be rather small. Have you thought about joining one of the many Lotus clubs? Are you even a member of L 7 Club ?
- My first encounter with a 7 was fifty years ago and I owned them until last year. The DNA in all 7s , regardless of when made or which badge is on the front is umistakable - and near identical.
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Calm down , big breath and go for a drive - you might even get a wave from some Caterham owners ....
Edited by coppice on Tuesday 13th November 09:16
Trackdayguy said:
Surely there are 2 things going on here, maybe more.
1. The club membership deciding to keep the L7C name. This has to be short sighted on a grand scale, particularly when we know that car club's need the support of the manufacture, we all know that Caterham are very Brand focused.
2. The L7C now moves forward without any factory support with a membership that doesn't own the said car the club represents, other than a few. (That is madness)
Question: If the club changed its name would Caterham support it?
Whilst both parties are standing in their own corners and being stubborn nobody wins. In the end the L7C has way more to lose.
I didn't think we were discussing Brexit!!!!1. The club membership deciding to keep the L7C name. This has to be short sighted on a grand scale, particularly when we know that car club's need the support of the manufacture, we all know that Caterham are very Brand focused.
2. The L7C now moves forward without any factory support with a membership that doesn't own the said car the club represents, other than a few. (That is madness)
Question: If the club changed its name would Caterham support it?
Whilst both parties are standing in their own corners and being stubborn nobody wins. In the end the L7C has way more to lose.
My best guess is this will eventually raise its ugly head again, because it isn't resolved. Hopefully someone will have the wisdom to bring the L7C & Caterham together so solution can be found that works for both parties.
As someone who has dealt with Caterham since 1975 I'm all to aware they can be difficult to deal with, but in my opinion the L7C are shooting themselves in the foot.
As someone who has dealt with Caterham since 1975 I'm all to aware they can be difficult to deal with, but in my opinion the L7C are shooting themselves in the foot.
rene7 said:
Clearly all the Caterham owners need to move on and form the caterham C7 club That's assuming there's enough interest to warrant a C7 club?
Another way of making this happen is for us Lotus 7 owners to exclude all Caterhams from the Lotus 7 club
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Why should Real Lotus 7's be relegated to the Heritage Section linked above??????????????
Whoever proposed that nonsense should be booted out of the club immediately
Lotus 7 Club - It's our club fk all the Caterham owners
By your own figures from an earlier post there’d be about 12 ‘Real Lotus 7s’ left. Good luck with that club. That's assuming there's enough interest to warrant a C7 club?Another way of making this happen is for us Lotus 7 owners to exclude all Caterhams from the Lotus 7 club
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Why should Real Lotus 7's be relegated to the Heritage Section linked above??????????????
Whoever proposed that nonsense should be booted out of the club immediately
Lotus 7 Club - It's our club f
k all the Caterham owners Edited by anonymous-user on Monday 12th November 22:43
Whatever, the majority of membership probably are in Caterhams now, so they’d have a much better chance of forming a viable association.
BTW, even you must see the irony in criticising ‘what Caterham owners think of 7 copies’ and your own posts railing against Caterhams?
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