SP300 - R

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Trackdayguy

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366 posts

71 months

Thursday 15th November 2018
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BertBert

19,040 posts

211 months

Thursday 15th November 2018
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ah, another Caterham white elephant!

Trackdayguy

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366 posts

71 months

Friday 16th November 2018
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It sure was, they must have lost a small fortune out of it. It was super impressive to drive, I drove the prototype at Snetterton.

andy97

4,703 posts

222 months

Friday 16th November 2018
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Based on the Lola Sports 2000 car ISTR, and that didn't achieve much. Not sure why.

griffchris

166 posts

270 months

Friday 16th November 2018
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I remember they had a used one of these for sale at Oakmere a couple of years ago, it was listed aroud £60k and took a long time to shift, though it was a bit more tatty than the linked vehicle.

subirg

718 posts

276 months

Friday 16th November 2018
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A car with great potential but never properly developed. Requires a lot of re-engineering work at the front end to get it to work properly. At that price ($145k) you’d be mad to get this instead of a radical.

sfaulds

653 posts

278 months

Saturday 17th November 2018
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subirg said:
A car with great potential but never properly developed. Requires a lot of re-engineering work at the front end to get it to work properly.
What's wrong with the front end?

Equus

16,887 posts

101 months

Saturday 17th November 2018
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BertBert said:
ah, another Caterham white elephant!
I remember being lynched by the fanbois on here for saying as much when it was first announced... biggrin

Edited by Equus on Sunday 18th November 15:28

Trackdayguy

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366 posts

71 months

Saturday 17th November 2018
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subirg said:
A car with great potential but never properly developed. Requires a lot of re-engineering work at the front end to get it to work properly. At that price ($145k) you’d be mad to get this instead of a radical.
Interesting comment about the front end. What did you think was wrong with it? As I said in a previous post I drove the car at the International Caterham Dealers meeting at Snetterton on a super warm day. I thought it was a little underpowered, the transmission was spectacular, the front end grip was amazing, although I was never near its limit, the turn in and front end stability at 140 mph + was super impressive.

I'm keen to learn, what was I missing.

http://7cars.ca/documents/sp300/SP300R.pdf




Edited by Trackdayguy on Monday 19th November 21:42

subirg

718 posts

276 months

Sunday 18th November 2018
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I was at Spa a few years ago and met a company that specialised in trying to get the SP300R to work properly. Can’t remember the name, but spoke to the lead engineer at length as I was quite interested in the car. They were supporting a car they had been working on. I can’t remember the details, but the summary is that they had re-engineered the front geometry and steering rack. Total cost £11k.

Trackdayguy

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366 posts

71 months

Sunday 18th November 2018
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subirg said:
I was at Spa a few years ago and met a company that specialised in trying to get the SP300R to work properly. Can’t remember the name, but spoke to the lead engineer at length as I was quite interested in the car. They were supporting a car they had been working on. I can’t remember the details, but the summary is that they had re-engineered the front geometry and steering rack. Total cost £11k.
Ouch... that's a lot of money.

downsman

1,099 posts

156 months

Sunday 18th November 2018
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I suppose Caterham were ahead of their time. They built a track only car that ended up having no one make series or any obvious category to race in! Several supercar manufacturers have made million selling such pointless vehicles since (Ferrari FXX or Aston Vulcan anyone?)

BertBert

19,040 posts

211 months

Sunday 18th November 2018
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Didn't it also have an embarrassing habit of bursting into flames? I saw it do that at Donington.

It is a shame they couldn't make the concept work, should have been a good car, although it was always going to be tough in Radical's hey day.

Bert

sfaulds

653 posts

278 months

Monday 19th November 2018
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subirg said:
I was at Spa a few years ago and met a company that specialised in trying to get the SP300R to work properly. Can’t remember the name, but spoke to the lead engineer at length as I was quite interested in the car. They were supporting a car they had been working on. I can’t remember the details, but the summary is that they had re-engineered the front geometry and steering rack. Total cost £11k.
Given how few were made, I can't see how anyone could specialise in doing anything on them. The front end had a few flaws (as did most parts of it) but given that it was never supposed to be competitive against anything else, there would be absolutely no point in throwing £11k at it.

sfaulds

653 posts

278 months

Monday 19th November 2018
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BertBert said:
Didn't it also have an embarrassing habit of bursting into flames? I saw it do that at Donington.
It did it once iirc, just very publicly.

BertBert

19,040 posts

211 months

Monday 19th November 2018
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sfaulds said:
BertBert said:
Didn't it also have an embarrassing habit of bursting into flames? I saw it do that at Donington.
It did it once iirc, just very publicly.
Ah not really a habit as such then! Mind you our SR4 spontaneously combusted too. Very lucky to be near a fire truck. 30 seconds later and it would have been too far gone to save.
Bert

subirg

718 posts

276 months

Monday 19th November 2018
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sfaulds said:
Given how few were made, I can't see how anyone could specialise in doing anything on them. The front end had a few flaws (as did most parts of it) but given that it was never supposed to be competitive against anything else, there would be absolutely no point in throwing £11k at it.
Agreed. It’s a shame it never took off as the concept seemed great at the time. With a couple of good race seasons, it could have been developed into a competitive car. Sadly, it seems we will never know.

Trackdayguy

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366 posts

71 months

Monday 19th November 2018
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From what I understand Caterham felt there where 2 slots for the car. A one make series and a track day car. There are several here in north America and all used as track day cars, so the flaws that they may or may have rarely show up.

sfaulds

653 posts

278 months

Tuesday 20th November 2018
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The original design brief we hashed out in a pub near Castle Combe was for an affordable trackday car that could easily be looked after solo, and a one-make racer. It was *never* supposed to be competitive against anything else.

mic

376 posts

233 months

Tuesday 20th November 2018
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I remember that day well Stuart, something about clearing grass out of the Lola ......