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HustleRussell said:
Equus said:
W11PEL said:
I wouldn't be seen dead in a snide Seven copy.
The Caterham is the true legal authorised DNA successor to the Lotus 7.
To say a Caterham is too expensive is EXACTLY the same argument I hear day in day out with Brompton bikes.
I have a Brompton and I have a new Caterham coming. The car handles superb on the De Dion rear end.
if you can't afford Notting Hill then don't moan if you have to live in Romford.
A really top class example of snobberyThe Caterham is the true legal authorised DNA successor to the Lotus 7.
To say a Caterham is too expensive is EXACTLY the same argument I hear day in day out with Brompton bikes.
I have a Brompton and I have a new Caterham coming. The car handles superb on the De Dion rear end.
if you can't afford Notting Hill then don't moan if you have to live in Romford.
As for the rest, I would invite you to read the fifty or so posts in this thread prior to W11PEL’s contribution. I don’t think anybody else was snobby about the brand and you are now attempting to tar all of those other contributors with the same brush.
In fact this entire thread has been carried by a Seven owner asserting the inferiority of the Caterham compared to his particular Seven, and nobody is calling him a ‘snob’.
I'd have to say, that as a Caterham owner of nearly 20 years, I've come across some bellends…. but W11PEL appears to have topped the pile..
Snide seven copy? what? like a Caterham that shares bugger all from the original Lotus 7 other than a tenuous agreement between Lotus and Caterham Cars to allow them to carry on building the S4 and eventually S3..
DNA people refers to, its utter tosh... the Lotus 7 has been thankfully developed significantly to where it is now - so this DNA or whatever twaddle you refer to? what is it? the fact that there are a few imperial fasteners that 'may' have been used of a similar size on a S3? Even the chassis manufacturer changed way back when Arch lost the contract... there is no link other than the Caterham brand name, now in different hands also...
The Caterham out of the box is probably the easiest to build and best handling.. in my opinion the best looking too, however there are other 7'esqe vehicles out there that have a better triangulated chassis, better front and rear suspension etc..
And, for a pile of steel tubes, some ally panels, a bit of fibreglass and some bought in drivetrain - yes they are bloody expensive for what they are.
Snide seven copy? what? like a Caterham that shares bugger all from the original Lotus 7 other than a tenuous agreement between Lotus and Caterham Cars to allow them to carry on building the S4 and eventually S3..
DNA people refers to, its utter tosh... the Lotus 7 has been thankfully developed significantly to where it is now - so this DNA or whatever twaddle you refer to? what is it? the fact that there are a few imperial fasteners that 'may' have been used of a similar size on a S3? Even the chassis manufacturer changed way back when Arch lost the contract... there is no link other than the Caterham brand name, now in different hands also...
The Caterham out of the box is probably the easiest to build and best handling.. in my opinion the best looking too, however there are other 7'esqe vehicles out there that have a better triangulated chassis, better front and rear suspension etc..
And, for a pile of steel tubes, some ally panels, a bit of fibreglass and some bought in drivetrain - yes they are bloody expensive for what they are.
Haters are gonna hate and trolls are gonna troll.
So sad that there's inadequates in life that can't afford a Caterham so attack the product. Text book human condition. It's very fashionable to attack British products in general. You get a lot of this sort of thing emanating from the Islington area..
Just like Rolex haters blabbing about their movements and that there are umpteen cheaper watches provide better value. Yawn.
Guess what? Yes the rear end of a Caterham is inferior to a Westfield. I get it. The handling of a Caterham is so poor I can't understand how the things can stay on the road.
OK I think I'm really getting it now. Thank you for enlightening me.
It's abundantly clear totally now that Caterham's are overpriced technically inferior complete junk bought by utter idiots who have far too much money than sense.
Anyone who chooses a Caterham over a Westfield is a brand adoring fanboy snob.
So sad that there's inadequates in life that can't afford a Caterham so attack the product. Text book human condition. It's very fashionable to attack British products in general. You get a lot of this sort of thing emanating from the Islington area..
Just like Rolex haters blabbing about their movements and that there are umpteen cheaper watches provide better value. Yawn.
Guess what? Yes the rear end of a Caterham is inferior to a Westfield. I get it. The handling of a Caterham is so poor I can't understand how the things can stay on the road.
OK I think I'm really getting it now. Thank you for enlightening me.
It's abundantly clear totally now that Caterham's are overpriced technically inferior complete junk bought by utter idiots who have far too much money than sense.
Anyone who chooses a Caterham over a Westfield is a brand adoring fanboy snob.
Edited by W11PEL on Saturday 30th January 04:06
Edited by W11PEL on Saturday 30th January 04:11
What on earth are you on about man (w11pel)?
Perhaps back to an actual debate. I don't really agree about the DNA question Dan. It seems to me that that's exactly what the caterham of today has. It has evolved bit by bit over time but the whole thing is essentially the same concept that Chapman had. That for me is what you'd call DNA.
Love and peace all
Perhaps back to an actual debate. I don't really agree about the DNA question Dan. It seems to me that that's exactly what the caterham of today has. It has evolved bit by bit over time but the whole thing is essentially the same concept that Chapman had. That for me is what you'd call DNA.
Love and peace all
W11PEL said:
Haters are gonna hate and trolls are gonna troll.
So sad that there's inadequates in life that can't afford a Caterham so attack the product. Text book human condition. It's very fashionable to attack British products in general. You get a lot of this sort of thing emanating from the Islington area..
Just like Rolex haters blabbing about their movements and that there are umpteen cheaper watches provide better value. Yawn.
Guess what? Yes the rear end of a Caterham is inferior to a Westfield. I get it. The handling of a Caterham is so poor I can't understand how the things can stay on the road.
OK I think I'm really getting it now. Thank you for enlightening me.
It's abundantly clear totally now that Caterham's are overpriced technically inferior complete junk bought by utter idiots who have far too much money than sense.
Anyone who chooses a Caterham over a Westfield is a brand adoring fanboy snob.
What a tool.So sad that there's inadequates in life that can't afford a Caterham so attack the product. Text book human condition. It's very fashionable to attack British products in general. You get a lot of this sort of thing emanating from the Islington area..
Just like Rolex haters blabbing about their movements and that there are umpteen cheaper watches provide better value. Yawn.
Guess what? Yes the rear end of a Caterham is inferior to a Westfield. I get it. The handling of a Caterham is so poor I can't understand how the things can stay on the road.
OK I think I'm really getting it now. Thank you for enlightening me.
It's abundantly clear totally now that Caterham's are overpriced technically inferior complete junk bought by utter idiots who have far too much money than sense.
Anyone who chooses a Caterham over a Westfield is a brand adoring fanboy snob.
Edited by W11PEL on Saturday 30th January 04:06
Edited by W11PEL on Saturday 30th January 04:11
DanMalkin said:
I'd have to say, that as a Caterham owner of nearly 20 years, I've come across some bellends…. but W11PEL appears to have topped the pile..
Snide seven copy? what? like a Caterham that shares bugger all from the original Lotus 7 other than a tenuous agreement between Lotus and Caterham Cars to allow them to carry on building the S4 and eventually S3..
DNA people refers to, its utter tosh... the Lotus 7 has been thankfully developed significantly to where it is now - so this DNA or whatever twaddle you refer to? what is it? the fact that there are a few imperial fasteners that 'may' have been used of a similar size on a S3? Even the chassis manufacturer changed way back when Arch lost the contract... there is no link other than the Caterham brand name, now in different hands also...
The Caterham out of the box is probably the easiest to build and best handling.. in my opinion the best looking too, however there are other 7'esqe vehicles out there that have a better triangulated chassis, better front and rear suspension etc..
And, for a pile of steel tubes, some ally panels, a bit of fibreglass and some bought in drivetrain - yes they are bloody expensive for what they are.
I'm sorry, but as a retired designer I can't agree with this at all. Colin Chapman was a brilliant engineer/designer/visionary and the original seven was arrived at through a series of designs/ideas which were necessarily limited by the knowledge and materials available in the 50's. The fact that the current seven, through the development and availability of new materials and products has progressed way beyond the original is not something to be sneered at, most people would see it as a natural evolution of the initial concept. Perhaps you could point out to me which of the current '7' copies proliferating the marketplace has a similar - or better - history. Snide seven copy? what? like a Caterham that shares bugger all from the original Lotus 7 other than a tenuous agreement between Lotus and Caterham Cars to allow them to carry on building the S4 and eventually S3..
DNA people refers to, its utter tosh... the Lotus 7 has been thankfully developed significantly to where it is now - so this DNA or whatever twaddle you refer to? what is it? the fact that there are a few imperial fasteners that 'may' have been used of a similar size on a S3? Even the chassis manufacturer changed way back when Arch lost the contract... there is no link other than the Caterham brand name, now in different hands also...
The Caterham out of the box is probably the easiest to build and best handling.. in my opinion the best looking too, however there are other 7'esqe vehicles out there that have a better triangulated chassis, better front and rear suspension etc..
And, for a pile of steel tubes, some ally panels, a bit of fibreglass and some bought in drivetrain - yes they are bloody expensive for what they are.
ken46 said:
DanMalkin said:
I'd have to say, that as a Caterham owner of nearly 20 years, I've come across some bellends…. but W11PEL appears to have topped the pile..
Snide seven copy? what? like a Caterham that shares bugger all from the original Lotus 7 other than a tenuous agreement between Lotus and Caterham Cars to allow them to carry on building the S4 and eventually S3..
DNA people refers to, its utter tosh... the Lotus 7 has been thankfully developed significantly to where it is now - so this DNA or whatever twaddle you refer to? what is it? the fact that there are a few imperial fasteners that 'may' have been used of a similar size on a S3? Even the chassis manufacturer changed way back when Arch lost the contract... there is no link other than the Caterham brand name, now in different hands also...
The Caterham out of the box is probably the easiest to build and best handling.. in my opinion the best looking too, however there are other 7'esqe vehicles out there that have a better triangulated chassis, better front and rear suspension etc..
And, for a pile of steel tubes, some ally panels, a bit of fibreglass and some bought in drivetrain - yes they are bloody expensive for what they are.
I'm sorry, but as a retired designer I can't agree with this at all. Colin Chapman was a brilliant engineer/designer/visionary and the original seven was arrived at through a series of designs/ideas which were necessarily limited by the knowledge and materials available in the 50's. The fact that the current seven, through the development and availability of new materials and products has progressed way beyond the original is not something to be sneered at, most people would see it as a natural evolution of the initial concept. Perhaps you could point out to me which of the current '7' copies proliferating the marketplace has a similar - or better - history. Snide seven copy? what? like a Caterham that shares bugger all from the original Lotus 7 other than a tenuous agreement between Lotus and Caterham Cars to allow them to carry on building the S4 and eventually S3..
DNA people refers to, its utter tosh... the Lotus 7 has been thankfully developed significantly to where it is now - so this DNA or whatever twaddle you refer to? what is it? the fact that there are a few imperial fasteners that 'may' have been used of a similar size on a S3? Even the chassis manufacturer changed way back when Arch lost the contract... there is no link other than the Caterham brand name, now in different hands also...
The Caterham out of the box is probably the easiest to build and best handling.. in my opinion the best looking too, however there are other 7'esqe vehicles out there that have a better triangulated chassis, better front and rear suspension etc..
And, for a pile of steel tubes, some ally panels, a bit of fibreglass and some bought in drivetrain - yes they are bloody expensive for what they are.
Edited by DCL on Saturday 30th January 18:27
ken46 said:
DanMalkin said:
I'd have to say, that as a Caterham owner of nearly 20 years, I've come across some bellends…. but W11PEL appears to have topped the pile..
Snide seven copy? what? like a Caterham that shares bugger all from the original Lotus 7 other than a tenuous agreement between Lotus and Caterham Cars to allow them to carry on building the S4 and eventually S3..
DNA people refers to, its utter tosh... the Lotus 7 has been thankfully developed significantly to where it is now - so this DNA or whatever twaddle you refer to? what is it? the fact that there are a few imperial fasteners that 'may' have been used of a similar size on a S3? Even the chassis manufacturer changed way back when Arch lost the contract... there is no link other than the Caterham brand name, now in different hands also...
The Caterham out of the box is probably the easiest to build and best handling.. in my opinion the best looking too, however there are other 7'esqe vehicles out there that have a better triangulated chassis, better front and rear suspension etc..
And, for a pile of steel tubes, some ally panels, a bit of fibreglass and some bought in drivetrain - yes they are bloody expensive for what they are.
I'm sorry, but as a retired designer I can't agree with this at all. Colin Chapman was a brilliant engineer/designer/visionary and the original seven was arrived at through a series of designs/ideas which were necessarily limited by the knowledge and materials available in the 50's. The fact that the current seven, through the development and availability of new materials and products has progressed way beyond the original is not something to be sneered at, most people would see it as a natural evolution of the initial concept. Perhaps you could point out to me which of the current '7' copies proliferating the marketplace has a similar - or better - history. Snide seven copy? what? like a Caterham that shares bugger all from the original Lotus 7 other than a tenuous agreement between Lotus and Caterham Cars to allow them to carry on building the S4 and eventually S3..
DNA people refers to, its utter tosh... the Lotus 7 has been thankfully developed significantly to where it is now - so this DNA or whatever twaddle you refer to? what is it? the fact that there are a few imperial fasteners that 'may' have been used of a similar size on a S3? Even the chassis manufacturer changed way back when Arch lost the contract... there is no link other than the Caterham brand name, now in different hands also...
The Caterham out of the box is probably the easiest to build and best handling.. in my opinion the best looking too, however there are other 7'esqe vehicles out there that have a better triangulated chassis, better front and rear suspension etc..
And, for a pile of steel tubes, some ally panels, a bit of fibreglass and some bought in drivetrain - yes they are bloody expensive for what they are.
sociopath said:
More snobbery, you know very well what was meant.
Caterham, catering to a
holes for 50 years.
No, I don't know what is meant. Either it's a Caterham 7 or it's not, in which case it's something else, and as you're so obviously anti-Caterham, what the hell are you doing on this forum anyway? Why don't you subscribe to a forum for '7' replicas? There must be lots to choose from.Caterham, catering to a
holes for 50 years.sociopath said:
W11PEL said:
Haters are gonna hate and trolls are gonna troll.
So sad that there's inadequates in life that can't afford a Caterham so attack the product. Text book human condition. It's very fashionable to attack British products in general. You get a lot of this sort of thing emanating from the Islington area..
Just like Rolex haters blabbing about their movements and that there are umpteen cheaper watches provide better value. Yawn.
Guess what? Yes the rear end of a Caterham is inferior to a Westfield. I get it. The handling of a Caterham is so poor I can't understand how the things can stay on the road.
OK I think I'm really getting it now. Thank you for enlightening me.
It's abundantly clear totally now that Caterham's are overpriced technically inferior complete junk bought by utter idiots who have far too much money than sense.
Anyone who chooses a Caterham over a Westfield is a brand adoring fanboy snob.
What a tool.So sad that there's inadequates in life that can't afford a Caterham so attack the product. Text book human condition. It's very fashionable to attack British products in general. You get a lot of this sort of thing emanating from the Islington area..
Just like Rolex haters blabbing about their movements and that there are umpteen cheaper watches provide better value. Yawn.
Guess what? Yes the rear end of a Caterham is inferior to a Westfield. I get it. The handling of a Caterham is so poor I can't understand how the things can stay on the road.
OK I think I'm really getting it now. Thank you for enlightening me.
It's abundantly clear totally now that Caterham's are overpriced technically inferior complete junk bought by utter idiots who have far too much money than sense.
Anyone who chooses a Caterham over a Westfield is a brand adoring fanboy snob.
Edited by W11PEL on Saturday 30th January 04:06
Edited by W11PEL on Saturday 30th January 04:11
I suggest you go and see someone. You seem to be the sort of angry person who harms himself or others.
Your user name sort of spells out how I’ve arrived at this conclusion.
I note you started a thread in November
“If money was no object what would you buy yourself”
Ahhhhh. I get it now. It’s all there in big flashing neon lights...
Here’s a little tip for you.
If you work hard and don’t daydream you can have all the nice things you desire. As opposed to being twisted up with your lot and what “stuff” you cannot obtain.
Edited by W11PEL on Sunday 31st January 09:15
W11PEL said:
sociopath said:
W11PEL said:
Haters are gonna hate and trolls are gonna troll.
So sad that there's inadequates in life that can't afford a Caterham so attack the product. Text book human condition. It's very fashionable to attack British products in general. You get a lot of this sort of thing emanating from the Islington area..
Just like Rolex haters blabbing about their movements and that there are umpteen cheaper watches provide better value. Yawn.
Guess what? Yes the rear end of a Caterham is inferior to a Westfield. I get it. The handling of a Caterham is so poor I can't understand how the things can stay on the road.
OK I think I'm really getting it now. Thank you for enlightening me.
It's abundantly clear totally now that Caterham's are overpriced technically inferior complete junk bought by utter idiots who have far too much money than sense.
Anyone who chooses a Caterham over a Westfield is a brand adoring fanboy snob.
What a tool.So sad that there's inadequates in life that can't afford a Caterham so attack the product. Text book human condition. It's very fashionable to attack British products in general. You get a lot of this sort of thing emanating from the Islington area..
Just like Rolex haters blabbing about their movements and that there are umpteen cheaper watches provide better value. Yawn.
Guess what? Yes the rear end of a Caterham is inferior to a Westfield. I get it. The handling of a Caterham is so poor I can't understand how the things can stay on the road.
OK I think I'm really getting it now. Thank you for enlightening me.
It's abundantly clear totally now that Caterham's are overpriced technically inferior complete junk bought by utter idiots who have far too much money than sense.
Anyone who chooses a Caterham over a Westfield is a brand adoring fanboy snob.
Edited by W11PEL on Saturday 30th January 04:06
Edited by W11PEL on Saturday 30th January 04:11
I suggest you go and see someone. You seem to be the sort of angry person who harms himself or others.
Your user name sort of spells out how I’ve arrived at this conclusion.
I note you started a thread in November
“If money was no object what would you buy yourself”
Ahh now I get it. There’s always a reason for why people are like they are....
Edited by W11PEL on Sunday 31st January 09:10
No envy or anger from here, I'm happy with my lot thanks, you however sound like you do need some therapy.
sociopath said:
W11PEL said:
sociopath said:
W11PEL said:
Haters are gonna hate and trolls are gonna troll.
So sad that there's inadequates in life that can't afford a Caterham so attack the product. Text book human condition. It's very fashionable to attack British products in general. You get a lot of this sort of thing emanating from the Islington area..
Just like Rolex haters blabbing about their movements and that there are umpteen cheaper watches provide better value. Yawn.
Guess what? Yes the rear end of a Caterham is inferior to a Westfield. I get it. The handling of a Caterham is so poor I can't understand how the things can stay on the road.
OK I think I'm really getting it now. Thank you for enlightening me.
It's abundantly clear totally now that Caterham's are overpriced technically inferior complete junk bought by utter idiots who have far too much money than sense.
Anyone who chooses a Caterham over a Westfield is a brand adoring fanboy snob.
What a tool.So sad that there's inadequates in life that can't afford a Caterham so attack the product. Text book human condition. It's very fashionable to attack British products in general. You get a lot of this sort of thing emanating from the Islington area..
Just like Rolex haters blabbing about their movements and that there are umpteen cheaper watches provide better value. Yawn.
Guess what? Yes the rear end of a Caterham is inferior to a Westfield. I get it. The handling of a Caterham is so poor I can't understand how the things can stay on the road.
OK I think I'm really getting it now. Thank you for enlightening me.
It's abundantly clear totally now that Caterham's are overpriced technically inferior complete junk bought by utter idiots who have far too much money than sense.
Anyone who chooses a Caterham over a Westfield is a brand adoring fanboy snob.
Edited by W11PEL on Saturday 30th January 04:06
Edited by W11PEL on Saturday 30th January 04:11
I suggest you go and see someone. You seem to be the sort of angry person who harms himself or others.
Your user name sort of spells out how I’ve arrived at this conclusion.
I note you started a thread in November
“If money was no object what would you buy yourself”
Ahh now I get it. There’s always a reason for why people are like they are....
Edited by W11PEL on Sunday 31st January 09:10
No envy or anger from here, I'm happy with my lot thanks, you however sound like you do need some therapy.
You clearly hate Caterhams and those who drive them.
My work here is done!
Edited by W11PEL on Sunday 31st January 09:20
ken46 said:
sociopath said:
More snobbery, you know very well what was meant.
Caterham, catering to aholes for 50 years.
No, I don't know what is meant. Either it's a Caterham 7 or it's not, in which case it's something else, and as you're so obviously anti-Caterham, what the hell are you doing on this forum anyway? Why don't you subscribe to a forum for '7' replicas? There must be lots to choose from.Caterham, catering to a
holes for 50 years.And I'm on this forum because I can be, thats how real life works.
You however are definitely anti-anything but caterham. Maybe you have one and feel angry you spent so much, or just angry.
Anyone that starts a thread with "as an ex designer" obviously is feeling a little threatened, maybe you need a lie down
ken46 said:
sociopath said:
More snobbery, you know very well what was meant.
Caterham, catering to aholes for 50 years.
No, I don't know what is meant. Either it's a Caterham 7 or it's not, in which case it's something else, and as you're so obviously anti-Caterham, what the hell are you doing on this forum anyway? Why don't you subscribe to a forum for '7' replicas? There must be lots to choose from.Caterham, catering to a
holes for 50 years.There’s a few brands that are not my thing but what sort of person goes onto a forum for said brand and attacks the owners/cars?
My mummy said if you can’t say anything nice then say nothing at all..
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