R400 Order new or buy used?

R400 Order new or buy used?

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Pugsey

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5,813 posts

215 months

Tuesday 23rd January 2007
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Have been looking for an R400 for a while now but due to fussyness on my part and lack of cars on market I'm wondering about ordering a new one. Given that I intend to keep the car longterm I suppose initial depreciation (what would that be?) will be lost in the mists of time. So, other than the larger initial outlay can anyone advise on pros and cons of going new v. used. Much appreciated.

jeremyc

23,511 posts

285 months

Tuesday 23rd January 2007
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You won't have to wait for a used one ....

rubystone

11,254 posts

260 months

Tuesday 23rd January 2007
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The new R400 with the Duratec engine is clearly quite different from the outgoing K Series engined one...in other words if you order one new, it'll be a Duratec one and I am predicting long waiting lists...

adamb

88 posts

214 months

Tuesday 23rd January 2007
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What's up with the red R400 at Caterham South? Seems to have been for sale for ages when there are hardly any others available... Having said that at 25k as opposed to 30ish for the new model it does seem quite expensive. (Speaking as a Caterham novice who is also considering buying one)

lord summerisle

8,138 posts

226 months

Tuesday 23rd January 2007
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depends if you want a handbuilt chassis...with a known engine and build

or a new robot built chassis and part of the development process of the new duratec installation as well as having to wait for a build slot.

pros and cons to each.

subirg

718 posts

277 months

Tuesday 23rd January 2007
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I too had to weigh up the pros/cons of an old vs new R400. I also considered an R500. At the end of the day, I chose to go down the new R400 route for the following reasons:-

1. Depreciation - I am planning on keeping the car for a number of years, so depreciation is less of an issue
2. The new R400 has the Duractec which is very upgradeable and in 2.0 version still revs quite high (which I like)
3. The K series engine in the R400 is upgradeable too, but it doesn't seem to offer as many options. It also has a reputation for being a bit more fragile than the Duratec
4. I will know everything about the history of a new car. With an secondhand car, there is always an element of the unknown
5. The red R400 for sale at Caterham is an '02 car I believe - that's already 5 years old!
6. Rather than have a secondhand R400, I actually ended up preferring to look at an R500 (more exclusive, mental, a future classic). In the end the lack of good quality available cars (I'm sure they are out there, but very hard to find!), and the more rigorous maintenance regime put me off.
7. Buying an new car is exciting!

Pugsey

Original Poster:

5,813 posts

215 months

Tuesday 23rd January 2007
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subirg said:
I too had to weigh up the pros/cons of an old vs new R400. I also considered an R500. At the end of the day, I chose to go down the new R400 route for the following reasons:-

1. Depreciation - I am planning on keeping the car for a number of years, so depreciation is less of an issue
2. The new R400 has the Duractec which is very upgradeable and in 2.0 version still revs quite high (which I like)
3. The K series engine in the R400 is upgradeable too, but it doesn't seem to offer as many options. It also has a reputation for being a bit more fragile than the Duratec
4. I will know everything about the history of a new car. With an secondhand car, there is always an element of the unknown
5. The red R400 for sale at Caterham is an '02 car I believe - that's already 5 years old!
6. Rather than have a secondhand R400, I actually ended up preferring to look at an R500 (more exclusive, mental, a future classic). In the end the lack of good quality available cars (I'm sure they are out there, but very hard to find!), and the more rigorous maintenance regime put me off.
7. Buying an new car is exciting!
Pretty much my current thinking word for word! Incidentally my spec. comes out at £38k - ooh err!

Pugsey

Original Poster:

5,813 posts

215 months

Tuesday 23rd January 2007
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Pugsey said:
subirg said:
I too had to weigh up the pros/cons of an old vs new R400. I also considered an R500. At the end of the day, I chose to go down the new R400 route for the following reasons:-

1. Depreciation - I am planning on keeping the car for a number of years, so depreciation is less of an issue
2. The new R400 has the Duractec which is very upgradeable and in 2.0 version still revs quite high (which I like)
3. The K series engine in the R400 is upgradeable too, but it doesn't seem to offer as many options. It also has a reputation for being a bit more fragile than the Duratec
4. I will know everything about the history of a new car. With an secondhand car, there is always an element of the unknown
5. The red R400 for sale at Caterham is an '02 car I believe - that's already 5 years old!
6. Rather than have a secondhand R400, I actually ended up preferring to look at an R500 (more exclusive, mental, a future classic). In the end the lack of good quality available cars (I'm sure they are out there, but very hard to find!), and the more rigorous maintenance regime put me off.
7. Buying an new car is exciting!
Pretty much my current thinking word for word! Incidentally my spec. comes out at £38k - ooh err!
We've subsequently discovered I'm thick and can't add up - make that £35.5k!teacher

catgreenhorse

42 posts

232 months

Tuesday 23rd January 2007
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REd at CC is Ex EVO car I think?
I saw this some time back when they were auctioning stock at CC ,
Rich

murph7355

37,760 posts

257 months

Friday 26th January 2007
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Crikey - are they really that much new these days!

Strikes me as rather a lot of money and I'd be inclined to keep looking round for a decent used example.

Bafty_Crastard

145 posts

214 months

Friday 26th January 2007
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New or used, ...well they are not like for like!!!

“K” R400 are all singing and dancing with all the bit’s, I would think a late model could be purchase for £25K, a new CC Dury thingy is going to cost, like for like £10k more!!

Don’t fool your self, we all think we intent to own for ever only to off load within a couple to three years

Bafty




Edited by Bafty_Crastard on Friday 26th January 22:23

delbert

50 posts

237 months

Friday 26th January 2007
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Bafty_Crastard said:
New or used, ...well they are not like for like!!!

“K” R400 are all singing and dancing with all the bit’s, I would think a late model could be purchase for £25K, a new CC Dury thingy is going to cost, like for like £10k more!!

Don’t fool your self, we all think we intent to own for ever only to off load within a couple to three years

Bafty

K r400 for £25k sure but speak to CC on the cost of a Durex R400 , mine is specd up at £28k on an SV base,OK no Stack, no weather and no paint but a better deal IMHO


Edited by Bafty_Crastard on Friday 26th January 22:23