R300 or Superlight?

[will_]

rubystone said:

Murph7355 said:

jon.b said:

Rubystone - see you've had an SLR in the past. Did you have the emerald ecu fitted?
My car currently runs with an emerald and definitely runs better/stronger than when standard. What were your thoughts?

Whilst not a factory SLR, ruby was looking after my 7 when it moved from MBE to Emerald. The difference is marked.

Whilst I'm sure the MBE could have been mapped much better, it runs very well with the Emerald (just avoid hidden kerbs) and Dave's a class act.

Andy beat me to it. To be fair I can't offer up a decent comparison on a straight SLR. My SLR was on Mems and had a pronounced "on cam" at 4250 and really mental acceleration from there, but not as mental as my R500 . Andy's car - a Protune built engine - didn't come on cam in the same way, even on MBE when it wasn't running cleanly at all.

Once we'd fitted the Emerald (and fitted a new gearbox...another story...) it was transformed...but a totally different torque curve to an SLR on MEMS - very broad, still no real "on cam" moment. I'd be interested in your opinion on yours Jon. Tango 7 has also bought an SLR with Emerald - if he lets me drive it I think it'd feel the same as Andy's.

Will - SLRs really are a hoot - real "warp factor" stuff and hugely grin inducing. They really mark themselves out (as do R500s) in their ability to hit 100mph (not on British roads, clearly) in no time at all.

Bugger Ruby, now I've got to add it to the list - as if choosing from two models wasn't hard enough already!

[jon.b]

Bit too long ago to remember all the differences. Is certainly smoother to drive in normal conditions ie when your foot is not flat to the floor. Idles better. A nicer car to driver overall. Picks up stronger from lower down and has more torque. Dave Walker did all the mapping on the car, can recall it made 199.8bhp on his rollers. Tried to get it to hit 200bhp but just couldn't get there. For me it had to be an SLR, i set out originally to get an SL. It's just mental and still brings a huge grin to my face every time i drive it, I've had it 4 yrs.

[rubystone]

jon.b said:

can recall it made 199.8bhp on his rollers. Tried to get it to hit 200bhp but just couldn't get there.

spooky....Murph's made exactly the same bhp....

[Tango7]

Rubystone - best ask the other half about having a go in HER car ;-)) I don't think it should be a problem to rekindle past memories of your SLR's. You should have tried the Blackbird for a mental car with a massive grin factor, it was sitting there last week if you hadn't wanted to go off and enjoy free hospitality at Donny So far I have just taken it out for a couple of blats to get used to it and its brill and with the Stelvio Pass and Nurburgring to look forward to next week we'll see how well these K series cars stack up against the VX...

Cheers
T

[Tango7]

[quote]BTW the man who bought your other car has been a bit quiet...time to "out" him?
[/quote]

Which other car - there have been a few recently!!

[Bafty_Crastard]

Not read all this post, it’s Saturday night!......£20k for a SLR is way to much for a 4+ year old car……..R400’s have more the bits and are now near £21K…start shopping around

Bafty

[Murph7355]

Bafty_Crastard said:

...R400’s have more the bits and are now near £21K…start shopping around

Bafty

Aren't they very similarly spec'd?

"Trouble" as I see it is that there's a lot of bunching of prices these days. 12k-20k covers a massive range of cars, so what is there to separate them?

Age is (or should be) less of a consideration IMO - spec and condition are paramount.

[jon.b]

"Trouble" as I see it is that there's a lot of bunching of prices these days. 12k-20k covers a massive range of cars, so what is there to separate them?

Age is (or should be) less of a consideration IMO - spec and condition are paramount.

Spot on Murph. Give me a well sorted, excellent condition SLR over a probably tatty R400 for a grand more any day. But then I would say that wouldn't I

ps. How do you put a box round a quote?

Edited by jon.b on Sunday 10th June 08:54

[CanAm]

You just click on the "quote" icon on the original post.

[POORCARDEALER]

"Trouble" as I see it is that there's a lot of bunching of prices these days. 12k-20k covers a massive range of cars, so what is there to separate them?



Very true with lots of cars these days, and houses too

[rubystone]

Tango7][quote said:

BTW the man who bought your other car has been a bit quiet...time to "out" him?

Which other car - there have been a few recently!!

OK - I forgot - indeed it is her car!

The man who bough the Blackbird....

Oh, and lunch was extremely nice thanks very much

[Bafty_Crastard]

jon.b said:

Give me a well sorted, excellent condition SLR over a probably tatty R400 for a grand more any day. But then I would say that wouldn't I :

Well that’s an easy decision to make! ….

Give me a low mileage, well looked after R400 with all the bells and whistle over an over priced, clapped out, SLR…works both ways!!

Age isn’t a problem in it’s self and the only indicator of condition, but driving the car in the wet, tracked and may be a little use over the salty winter roads, could be.

Bafty

Edited by Bafty_Crastard on Monday 11th June 09:42

[Bafty_Crastard]

Murph7355 said:

Bafty_Crastard said:

...R400’s have more the bits and are now near £21K…start shopping around

Bafty

Aren't they very similarly spec'd?

Not really…..Stack, dry sump, Ace’s, Roller’s, MBE, additional 10bhp I think were all extra

Bafty

Edited by Bafty_Crastard on Monday 11th June 09:39

[jimmyslr]

Aha, but many SLRs are not specced as standard. Many have a dry sump as an option, but non-standard mods are many and varied. Some of the favourites are listed in posts below and include Emerald, vernier timed cams, Jenvey throttle bodies. These are equivalents of most of that you mention and when twiddled with by Dave Walker and/or Dave Andrews you are laughing. Essentially R4oo and SLR are very similar and can be all but identical; I think it's all about TLC and quality of any mods.

James

[Bafty_Crastard]

True enough, some are, some ain't……..you pay’s your money….

Beware of the "twiddled with" car

Pop down to CC and ask them there opinion

Bafty

Edited by Bafty_Crastard on Monday 11th June 15:26

[rubystone]

My SLR didn't have dry sump and I wouldn't buy another without it.

[jon.b]

OK so for the record:

Yes the car is dry sumped
Yes the car puts out 200bhp just like the R400 through the use of the emerald ecu and verniers.
Yes it has little lights on the dash that increase as the revs increase

No it doesn't have a stack but I'm sure the new owner can put one in if they wish.
No it is not "clapped out". It is cleaner than a lot of 1 year old cars out there. Never used on salty roads, hardly taken out in the rain as I don' like getting wet. Always warmed up properly.

The car is available to anyone who would like to view it, including any armchair pricing experts

Thanks
Jon

[rubystone]

jon.b said:

The car is available to anyone who would like to view it, including any armchair pricing experts

Jon - I hope you didn't think that my comment to Tango 7 was in any way a slight at the value of your car?...

[jon.b]

rubystone said:

jon.b said:

The car is available to anyone who would like to view it, including any armchair pricing experts

Jon - I hope you didn't think that my comment to Tango 7 was in any way a slight at the value of your car?...

Not at all Rubystone, no worries!

[Murph7355]

Bafty_Crastard said:

...Pop down to CC and ask them there opinion ...

Of course that assumes we care what they think

If you're aiming to sell back to them at some point, then keeping things standard is a must. But you're not exactly going to be depreciation free that way either.

The beauty of these cars is that they can be twiddled with. Indeed it's part of the fun. Just make sure the mods are good ones done by recognised people (an Emerald done by DaveW, as an example, should ADD to the value - makes for a better set up than pretty much anything that comes out of Caterham's factory).

As for seeing some track use...well come onnnnnnn.