Its fluffing !

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samurikid

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54 posts

242 months

Sunday 27th January 2008
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Ok so I am back from Caterham , being told that it isnt fluffing at 5900 like it was, and to be fair it wasnt for the 2 hours it took to get back. However , attacking the B16something and heading in towards Norfolk, it started again. So far the plugs,leads,dizzy have all been replaced, it is a Suplight R , and above and below this point it is fine. Flying infact. But if you are on a dual carraigeway it is just where you dont want it. Question is , what on earth is it.....anyone else got any ideas. Is it time to change the ECU on it and upgrade, trouble is what does that cost (Racing BMW's is the priority walletwise) , or would it be something nice and simple?

Fat Arnie

1,655 posts

264 months

Monday 28th January 2008
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OK, it almost certainly electrical, being cuased by a duff input on the ECU.
If you can find someone with Easimap (assuming your car runs an MBE ECU) hook up and turn on logging. Drive the car until the fualt condition occurs, then save the log and reveiw it. Look closely at all the sensor traces.

Failing the skills/availability I do think if it is a fault always at specfic RPM my first point of diag would be to change the crank sensor, and if poss check the pick up wheel is not loose on the crank.



samurikid

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54 posts

242 months

Monday 28th January 2008
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Cheers mate - good plan! Will see what I can find .....Easimap .....right .

sam919

1,078 posts

197 months

Monday 28th January 2008
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When does it happen? i had a problem with the main HT lead arcing against the block at intermittant revs. It had been cable tied to the bell housing/ clutch bracket.Start the car and turn the lights out, check for sparks! sounds a bit half arsed but i saw it arc and was able to pin point it.

samurikid

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242 months

Monday 28th January 2008
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It happens when it gets to abouot 5900 revs, any gear, on the straight or in a corner. And it seems to be only when it is under load,not when being revved at home........As far as I am aware it is standard as a standard thing under there so any ECU referance should be as the day it was brought into the world !

dannylt

1,906 posts

285 months

Tuesday 29th January 2008
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You're lucky it happens consistently rather than intermittently - makes it a lot easier to find smile

jeremyc

23,647 posts

285 months

Tuesday 29th January 2008
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Do you have a battery master switch?

If so, check it isn't this going faulty (simply bypass it); I had similar symptoms to you as the precursor to a complete misfire (and then nofire frown). I also have an SLR ...

Dave J

885 posts

267 months

Wednesday 30th January 2008
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coil duff

5900 is pretty close to max torque....

bikemonster

1,188 posts

242 months

Wednesday 30th January 2008
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Dave J said:
coil duff

5900 is pretty close to max torque....
Bypass the coil and see if the problem goes away.

Fat Arnie

1,655 posts

264 months

Wednesday 30th January 2008
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Having read this thread again, I'd also look to get your map refreshed. Or swap your ECU with another factory car of same engine spec.

samurikid

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242 months

Thursday 31st January 2008
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It was my initial thought to look to the ECU. On wednesday I shall go through all the other ideas you guys have had, and that will leave only one thing - back to the ECU! If it is that , and I end up looking at a replacement unit (eg upgrading) what does everybody recommend, and what would one spend ?


Fat Arnie

1,655 posts

264 months

Friday 1st February 2008
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There will ne nothing wrong with the ECU, just a carelessly edited map perhaps.

Get the ECu refreshed, and check all the earth connections on the ECU plug are good connections to ground. Use a digi meter.

There is no affordable ECU any better than MBE.

Fat Arnie

1,655 posts

264 months

Friday 1st February 2008
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Hang on, Superlight R????? Is it on the crappy modded Rover ECU?? If so, get a Supersport R kit - inlcudes all you need to gte the car from 190 to 210 bhp, and youy can probably sell the Rover set up for a grand!

sam919

1,078 posts

197 months

Saturday 2nd February 2008
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If you think the ECU is out check the square waveform using a o'scope on idle and through the rev range, you should be able see any discrepancies.

1st_petrolhead

1,430 posts

239 months

Sunday 3rd February 2008
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Bit obscure I know but check your cam belt is tight

Fat Arnie

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264 months

Monday 4th February 2008
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Sam919, Kind of hard to attach a scope on any load site nigher than about 3 (of 15) Also you'd need to check the fueling drive as much as the ignition.

And a loose cambelt? I think you'd be in rather more serious trouble than a fluffy misfire!

sam919

1,078 posts

197 months

Monday 4th February 2008
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Fat A, not if you have the right equipment, where do you think you would have difficulties

Edited by sam919 on Monday 4th February 16:58

Fat Arnie

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264 months

Tuesday 5th February 2008
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Sam, do you have a rolling road then?

sam919

1,078 posts

197 months

Tuesday 5th February 2008
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Yes i do but you don't need one

Fat Arnie

1,655 posts

264 months

Wednesday 6th February 2008
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I'm intrugued as to how you would read an oscilloscope with the car moving?